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Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #135 on: September 09, 2015, 09:48:42 PM »

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Somehow I'm still surprised at emotion people can work up in defense of this guy even when he hasn't been on our team for months.

Same here.  I just don't get it.  Maybe a lot of these posters are young and get more emotionally attached to certain players?  I can only imagine what I would've been like if there were message boards when I was 15.  Fiery threads defending Dino Radja's good name would've been a regular topic.

That and other threads like Dominque Wilkins is going to lead the league in scoring the year he came to the Celts.  X-Man is one of the best power forwards ever, & Pervis would be the whipping boy of all posters for sure...

Kevin Gamble is the future of this team!  And John Bagley's not so bad for a fat point guard!
What about Sherman Douglas and his floater, that was a thing of beauty.

Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #136 on: September 09, 2015, 09:53:42 PM »

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Somehow I'm still surprised at emotion people can work up in defense of this guy even when he hasn't been on our team for months.

Same here.  I just don't get it.  Maybe a lot of these posters are young and get more emotionally attached to certain players?  I can only imagine what I would've been like if there were message boards when I was 15.  Fiery threads defending Dino Radja's good name would've been a regular topic.

That and other threads like Dominque Wilkins is going to lead the league in scoring the year he came to the Celts.  X-Man is one of the best power forwards ever, & Pervis would be the whipping boy of all posters for sure...

Kevin Gamble is the future of this team!  And John Bagley's not so bad for a fat point guard!
What about Sherman Douglas and his floater, that was a thing of beauty.

TP - as a young Cuse and Celtics fan I LOVED seeing Sherm in green.  Too bad he was never really more than competent - he was fun to watch.  And at that age I would've defended him to the death online.

Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #137 on: September 10, 2015, 03:14:10 AM »

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Somehow I'm still surprised at emotion people can work up in defense of this guy even when he hasn't been on our team for months.

Same here.  I just don't get it.  Maybe a lot of these posters are young and get more emotionally attached to certain players?  I can only imagine what I would've been like if there were message boards when I was 15.  Fiery threads defending Dino Radja's good name would've been a regular topic.

That and other threads like Dominque Wilkins is going to lead the league in scoring the year he came to the Celts.  X-Man is one of the best power forwards ever, & Pervis would be the whipping boy of all posters for sure...

Kevin Gamble is the future of this team!  And John Bagley's not so bad for a fat point guard!
What about Sherman Douglas and his floater, that was a thing of beauty.

TP - as a young Cuse and Celtics fan I LOVED seeing Sherm in green.  Too bad he was never really more than competent - he was fun to watch.  And at that age I would've defended him to the death online.

If these boards were around in the 90s at least the overall pessimism here would be warranted.

As for the age thing, if there are any correlations I would think that the younger a person is the more likely they are to be(or have been last 3 years) pro tank and the more likely to be anti rondo now that he is gone.

Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #138 on: September 10, 2015, 09:53:03 AM »

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If these boards were around in the 90s at least the overall pessimism here would be warranted.


How are things so different now than they were in, say, 93, 94, 95?

The main difference I think is that we have no Len Bias / Reggie Lewis equivalent.  That obviously upped the woe-factor back then.

As far as where the team is at in building a competitive team, I'd say it's about the same.
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Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #139 on: September 10, 2015, 11:53:52 AM »

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If these boards were around in the 90s at least the overall pessimism here would be warranted.

I've found the pessimism level goes up as the team gets better, oddly enough.  Or at least it gets louder.  I'd say the two most consistently pessimistic periods during my time here have been the 2008 playoffs (until Game 4 of the Finals) and the 2010 regular season. 


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As for the age thing, if there are any correlations I would think that the younger a person is the more likely they are to be(or have been last 3 years) pro tank and the more likely to be anti rondo now that he is gone.

I think as fans get older, they're less impulsive in general, so "blow it all up NOWNOWNOW!" is more likely to seem rash and foolish.  But older fans also tend to be more negative about the team for some combination of 3 reasons:

1. They've watched great, successful teams play in the past so they can always unfavorably compare the present with the "glory days"
2. They've watched teams fall short and fail in the past so they are cynical about the present as a kind of defense mechanism to try and not get let down so hard again.
3. Life has beaten them down into a bloated miserable caricature of their younger selves, to the point that they can't keep it from polluting their attitude towards stuff they voluntarily watch for entertainment.

Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #140 on: September 10, 2015, 12:30:55 PM »

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I think we're all tired of talking about Rondo, one way or another.

He's on another team now.  We can enjoy watching YouTube highlights of his best days here, just like we can watch videos of Pierce, Garnett, Bird, and so on.

I'm a lot more interested in who the next standout player for the Celtics will be.

If you are so tired of it, why are you posting about it?

Because there has been a rash of posts lately about him.  Somehow I'm still surprised at emotion people can work up in defense of this guy even when he hasn't been on our team for months.

Ah, you shouldn't be. There were times when he was the only topic on this board.

I don't think anyone would argue Rondo was a fine complementary piece in the championship runs. Where this entire discussion gets tiresome is the emotional defenses of a player in clear and obvious decline.

I think there is something to the "attachment to individuals" point in the thread. Us older folks, let alone those of us who have coached, don't see the game that way and never will. I am a fan of the uniform, not of any individual player. The latter would distort my view of the franchise's progress.
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Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #141 on: September 10, 2015, 12:41:34 PM »

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Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #142 on: September 10, 2015, 01:06:23 PM »

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Somehow I'm still surprised at emotion people can work up in defense of this guy even when he hasn't been on our team for months.

Same here.  I just don't get it.  Maybe a lot of these posters are young and get more emotionally attached to certain players?  I can only imagine what I would've been like if there were message boards when I was 15.  Fiery threads defending Dino Radja's good name would've been a regular topic.

That and other threads like Dominque Wilkins is going to lead the league in scoring the year he came to the Celts.  X-Man is one of the best power forwards ever, & Pervis would be the whipping boy of all posters for sure...

Kevin Gamble is the future of this team!  And John Bagley's not so bad for a fat point guard!
What about Sherman Douglas and his floater, that was a thing of beauty.

I still remember Tommy raving about how NO ONE could throw the alley-oop pass like The General.

Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #143 on: September 10, 2015, 02:24:48 PM »

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That 94-95 team seems very similar to this years team. No superstars but a lot of good talent. I forgot how deep their frontcourt was..Wesley, Fox, Xman, Minor was not that bad of a bench. Montross had such a good first year too...too bad he never panned out.

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Player   GP   MIN   PTS   REB   AST   STL   BLK   TOV
Dominique Wilkins   77   31.5   17.8   5.2   2.2   0.8   0.2   2.2
Dee Brown   79   35.3   15.6   3.2   3.8   1.4   0.6   1.8
Dino Radja   66   32.5   17.2   8.7   1.7   0.9   1.3   2.4
Sherman Douglas   65   31.5   14.7   2.6   6.9   1.2   0.0   2.5
Eric Montross   78   29.7   10.0   7.3   0.5   0.4   0.8   1.4
Xavier McDaniel   68   21.0   8.6   4.4   1.6   0.4   0.3   1.3
Rick Fox   53   19.6   8.8   2.9   2.6   1.0   0.4   1.5
Derek Strong   70   19.2   6.3   5.4   0.6   0.3   0.2   1.1
David Wesley   51   27.1   7.4   2.3   5.2   1.6   0.2   1.7
Greg Minor   63   15.0   6.0   2.2   1.0   0.5   0.3   0.7
Pervis Ellison   55   19.7   6.8   5.6   0.6   0.4   1.0   1.4
Blue Edwards   31   16.4   7.1   2.1   1.5   0.6   0.3   1.3
Acie Earl   30   6.9   2.2   1.5   0.1   0.2   0.3   0.5
James Blackwell   9   6.8   1.6   0.9   0.7   0.3   0.0   0.3
Tony Harris   3   6.0   4.7   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.3
Jay Humphries   6   8.7   1.7   0.5   1.7   0.3   0.0   0.8
Tony Dawson   2   6.5   4.0   1.5   0.5   0.0   0.0   1.0
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Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #144 on: September 10, 2015, 02:52:33 PM »

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Somehow I'm still surprised at emotion people can work up in defense of this guy even when he hasn't been on our team for months.

Same here.  I just don't get it.  Maybe a lot of these posters are young and get more emotionally attached to certain players?  I can only imagine what I would've been like if there were message boards when I was 15.  Fiery threads defending Dino Radja's good name would've been a regular topic.

That and other threads like Dominque Wilkins is going to lead the league in scoring the year he came to the Celts.  X-Man is one of the best power forwards ever, & Pervis would be the whipping boy of all posters for sure...

Kevin Gamble is the future of this team!  And John Bagley's not so bad for a fat point guard!
What about Sherman Douglas and his floater, that was a thing of beauty.

TP - as a young Cuse and Celtics fan I LOVED seeing Sherm in green.  Too bad he was never really more than competent - he was fun to watch.  And at that age I would've defended him to the death online.

If these boards were around in the 90s at least the overall pessimism here would be warranted.

As for the age thing, if there are any correlations I would think that the younger a person is the more likely they are to be(or have been last 3 years) pro tank and the more likely to be anti rondo now that he is gone.
have you even a shred of data to support to support this view? because based upon my own thinking this is incorrect.
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Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #145 on: September 10, 2015, 02:56:31 PM »

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Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #146 on: September 10, 2015, 03:07:39 PM »

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Somehow I'm still surprised at emotion people can work up in defense of this guy even when he hasn't been on our team for months.

Same here.  I just don't get it.  Maybe a lot of these posters are young and get more emotionally attached to certain players?  I can only imagine what I would've been like if there were message boards when I was 15.  Fiery threads defending Dino Radja's good name would've been a regular topic.

That and other threads like Dominque Wilkins is going to lead the league in scoring the year he came to the Celts.  X-Man is one of the best power forwards ever, & Pervis would be the whipping boy of all posters for sure...

Kevin Gamble is the future of this team!  And John Bagley's not so bad for a fat point guard!
What about Sherman Douglas and his floater, that was a thing of beauty.

TP - as a young Cuse and Celtics fan I LOVED seeing Sherm in green.  Too bad he was never really more than competent - he was fun to watch.  And at that age I would've defended him to the death online.

If these boards were around in the 90s at least the overall pessimism here would be warranted.

As for the age thing, if there are any correlations I would think that the younger a person is the more likely they are to be(or have been last 3 years) pro tank and the more likely to be anti rondo now that he is gone.
have you even a shred of data to support to support this view? because based upon my own thinking this is incorrect.

Yeah the data is all in my ofiice in Shenzhen, come by and take a look. Of course I don't have any data, how on earth could I? No one knows how old anyone posting here is and I never claimed to know this, I said "I would think." It's just an opinion, dude.

Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #147 on: September 10, 2015, 03:10:52 PM »

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If we want to make guesses about age, I would gues that the people posting one liners trashing Rondo are under 30.

Re: There is no love for Rondo(on celticsblog)!
« Reply #148 on: September 10, 2015, 03:15:37 PM »

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« Reply #149 on: September 10, 2015, 03:32:04 PM »

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That 94-95 team seems very similar to this years team. No superstars but a lot of good talent. I forgot how deep their frontcourt was..Wesley, Fox, Xman, Minor was not that bad of a bench. Montross had such a good first year too...too bad he never panned out.

http://www.celticstats.com/season/9495.php

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COLUMNS:SWIPE
Player   GP   MIN   PTS   REB   AST   STL   BLK   TOV
Dominique Wilkins   77   31.5   17.8   5.2   2.2   0.8   0.2   2.2
Dee Brown   79   35.3   15.6   3.2   3.8   1.4   0.6   1.8
Dino Radja   66   32.5   17.2   8.7   1.7   0.9   1.3   2.4
Sherman Douglas   65   31.5   14.7   2.6   6.9   1.2   0.0   2.5
Eric Montross   78   29.7   10.0   7.3   0.5   0.4   0.8   1.4
Xavier McDaniel   68   21.0   8.6   4.4   1.6   0.4   0.3   1.3
Rick Fox   53   19.6   8.8   2.9   2.6   1.0   0.4   1.5
Derek Strong   70   19.2   6.3   5.4   0.6   0.3   0.2   1.1
David Wesley   51   27.1   7.4   2.3   5.2   1.6   0.2   1.7
Greg Minor   63   15.0   6.0   2.2   1.0   0.5   0.3   0.7
Pervis Ellison   55   19.7   6.8   5.6   0.6   0.4   1.0   1.4
Blue Edwards   31   16.4   7.1   2.1   1.5   0.6   0.3   1.3
Acie Earl   30   6.9   2.2   1.5   0.1   0.2   0.3   0.5
James Blackwell   9   6.8   1.6   0.9   0.7   0.3   0.0   0.3
Tony Harris   3   6.0   4.7   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.0   0.3
Jay Humphries   6   8.7   1.7   0.5   1.7   0.3   0.0   0.8
Tony Dawson   2   6.5   4.0   1.5   0.5   0.0   0.0   1.0

I like the comparison to those mid-90s teams because it was a collection of guys who clearly were not the "answer," but there were some dudes who could score and give you an entertaining game (Dominique, Dino, Dee, and later Sherman Douglas, Dana Barros . . . lots of D names).



As for the age thing, it's an ad hominem that I've never really understood.  I tend to assume when somebody is not very articulate or posts in an impulsive and excessively emotional way that they are on the younger side of 20.  That doesn't mean their ideas lack merit, of course. 

Personally, I've found that really young people have a tendency to be more emotionally attached to player and more optimistic despite the evidence available.  My youngest brother certainly is.


Generally speaking, I think older, more informed fans tend to have more moderate opinions, if only because they have more knowledge and experience to draw on to make caveats to any extreme position.  Of course, what seems like an extreme position is in the eye of the beholder.

The exception for me is my dad, who is in his late 50s and is a stereotypical pessimistic New England fan.  He tends to play up the pessimism just to get a rise out of my brothers and I, though.

My point, I guess, is that the validity of an opinion, in my experience, has a lot more to do with how much time and effort you put into knowing the state of the game now and the history of the league in general, and a lot less to do with how old you are, or how long you happened to have been turning the games on in your living room while eating dinner or drinking a beer.
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