You could probably compile a similarly extensive list of "productive NBA players who had similar/worse SL stats to RJ Hunter."
SL stats just don't provide a lot of information in general, and at this point it's impossible for anyone to know with any reasonable certainty whether Hunter will be a good player or not.
Given that, it's hard to blame people who prefer to be hopeful.
Nothing wrong with being hopeful. I hope our rookies end up great too. I don't expect it though. I expect them to spend all their time in d league. As of right now, I can't say that Charlotte made a mistake when they turned down all three 2015 picks + some unprotected Brooklyn picks. Let's see if Danny is proven wrong for offering it. Let's see if the hornets are proven wrong for rejecting it.
Will Winslow (or kaminsky) end up a greater asset than Mickey, hosier, Hunter and the unprotected Brooklyn pick combined ? Probably. Hence why Danny offered it and Jordan rejected it.
I wish I knew how we could bet on this LarryBird. Frank the Charmin Tank will be yet another HUGE MISTAKE by MJ. Another white flame out in Charlotte. Hello Adam Morrison. Maybe Frank the Tank can lessen the beating that you are still getting in my living area!!!!
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I don't think Danny would have taken frank there. Pretty sure Danny would have taken Winslow. So basically Danny Ainge believed the guy taken 10th was a more valuable asset than Rozier, Hunter, Mickey, and the unprotected Brooklyn 1st combined.
You have the details of the trade wrong there. The offer was 15, 16, Brooklyn pick, and either the Memphis pick or the Minnesota pick. The question is what were the Celtics offering for 15? It may have involved 28 and 33, but considering Atlanta ended up with Tim Hardaway Jr in the end, who is just ok, I'm not sure those picks would have been involved in a deal. Seems like Atlanta wanted a semi-established player on the wing so maybe Bradley would have been traded for the 15th pick + salary filler if necessary.
The Celtics could have very well left the draft with (and probably wanted to) Winslow, Hunter (or Rozier if he actually dropped to 28), and Mickey. It wasn't as simple (like originally speculated) as all of our 2015 picks + unprotected Brooklyn pick for #9.
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/good-charlotte-the-hornets-and-the-sliding-scale-of-nba-mediocrity/?ex_cid=story-twitterThe Celtics offered four first-round picks for the chance to move up from no. 16 to no. 9: that 16th pick, no. 15 (acquired in a prearranged contingency deal with the Hawks), one unprotected future Brooklyn pick, and a future first-rounder from either the Grizzlies or Timberwolves, per sources familiar with the talks.
Again, I don't think 28 AND 33 were involved in the move up to 15 because Ainge likely would have made that trade with Winslow not available for a chance at Oubre (IMO). I've been trying to figure out why Ainge didn't move up to 15 regardless of not having a chance at Winslow, and now I think I know why. If I had to guess, based on Atlanta ending up with THJ instead of a rookie, the Celtics were likely offering an established player to get to 15 (ie Bradley or Sullinger), and once Winslow was no longer available, the Celtics backed out of trading either player because they likely don't view Oubre as worth losing Bradley or Sullinger. I think if 28 and/or 33 were the main ingredients in the trade to 15, Ainge would have made the deal for consolidation purposes more than anything. That leads me to believe Ainge was trying to leave the draft with Winslow and one of (or even both) 28 and 33 still in hand.
Will Winslow (or kaminsky) end up a greater asset than Mickey, hosier, Hunter and the unprotected Brooklyn pick combined ? Probably. Hence why Danny offered it and Jordan rejected it.
The Celtics were in a special position of having way too many first round picks this year and the years coming to fill the roster up with. A consolidation trade is bound to happen, and with that in mind, the Celtics are almost likely to overpay in at least one trade over the next couple years in an effort to consolidate assets. This was that trade. It really isn't as simple as that sentence wondering whether Rozier, Hunter, Mickey, and the unprotected Brooklyn pick (which wasn't really the offer anyway) will end up being less valuable than FK or Winslow combined AND
that's why Jordan rejected it.
The Hornets were silly to reject the Celtics' offer since it was a clear overpay. Cho out thought himself and asked in a recent article, "if it were that simple, why would the other team offer it?" Well the Celtics were offering it because they don't have the roster space to actually sign all the rookies coming in over the next couple years. Jordan and Cho failed to take advantage of the Celtics' unique position. They could have had 15 + 16, and then moved up to 12 to pick up FK if that's who they really wanted. I severely doubt Miami or Indiana would have taken FK, and I'm almost certain Utah would have probably jumped on a deal to trade their 12th pick for 15 and 16. Who wouldn't really? FK isn't that valuable, but if Charlotte wanted him that badly, they could have had their cake and ate it too (FK + unprotected Brooklyn pick). I'll admit that is speculation, but I have a tough time believing FK wouldn't have been available to Charlotte if they had the 15th and 16th picks to work with. Moving up to the top 10 is one thing, but moving up to 11, 12, or 13 with 15 + 16 in hand? Seems like they could have made it work.
Charlotte has continually made mistakes in player evaluation and asset management over the years. They don't deserve the benefit of the doubt here. They overvalued FK at the draft and are now short one major asset (or even two depending on that Memphis pick) to go along with FK. That's why they are stuck in mediocrity year in, year out.
Topic: Undrafted Players who put up similar/better SL stats to RJ Hunter (Read 24018 times)