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Re: any current news on sully and weight
« Reply #180 on: August 09, 2015, 11:29:32 AM »

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whatever you call it,something has enabled him to score and withstand cousins size and bulk and i just used a generic understanding of power base
-i don't see how sully has made it this far with stevens idea of space and pace
-maybe sully is a one off

Rollie, if you thought I came at you hard, sorry dude.

I think he is poorly suited for Steven's system.  I think we went on our big win streaks when we got IT and Sully was injured.   We ran more, our bigs stayed in front their man more.   Team was more fun to watch.   A lot of this was because of tough guy Crowder and IT, but losing Sully might have played a  small factor as well.   That being said, he was argubly one of our finer bigs against CLE in the playoffs.

Sully knows how to use his body, it will be a big question if he can use his new body.  I am all for getting rid of guys who can D up, he deserves a shot this year, though.

Re: any current news on sully and weight
« Reply #181 on: August 09, 2015, 11:48:46 AM »

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whatever you call it,something has enabled him to score and withstand cousins size and bulk and i just used a generic understanding of power base
-i don't see how sully has made it this far with stevens idea of space and pace
-maybe sully is a one off

Rollie, if you thought I came at you hard, sorry dude.

I think he is poorly suited for Steven's system.  I think we went on our big win streaks when we got IT and Sully was injured.   We ran more, our bigs stayed in front their man more.   Team was more fun to watch.   A lot of this was because of tough guy Crowder and IT, but losing Sully might have played a  small factor as well.   That being said, he was argubly one of our finer bigs against CLE in the playoffs.

Sully knows how to use his body, it will be a big question if he can use his new body.  I am all for getting rid of guys who can D up, he deserves a shot this year, though.

As I've argued plenty of times before, whether with Sully or not, our team after the trade deadline was quite different from a roster perspective (had influx of talent). So, a with Sully / without Sully type of comparison is very very hard to make and incredibly noisy.

It also tends to ignore how after we traded Green our team was incrementally playing better (while still with Sullinger) with a 50% winning percentage if not mistaken and that in addition to incoming new talent explains more how we won than an explanation of playing without Sullinger.

"After Green was traded, we went 8-8. Seven of those loses against playoffs teams, 5 against teams considered powerhouses in the league: Chicago, Golden State, Hawks, Houston, Clippers.

We had a stretch where we lost 3 in a row against Chicago, Atlanta, Clippers, and then went 7-5 the rest of he way until Sully went down."

The rest are opinion based observations, which is fine.


Re: any current news on sully and weight
« Reply #182 on: August 09, 2015, 12:16:05 PM »

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whatever you call it,something has enabled him to score and withstand cousins size and bulk and i just used a generic understanding of power base
-i don't see how sully has made it this far with stevens idea of space and pace
-maybe sully is a one off

Rollie, if you thought I came at you hard, sorry dude.

I think he is poorly suited for Steven's system.  I think we went on our big win streaks when we got IT and Sully was injured.   We ran more, our bigs stayed in front their man more.   Team was more fun to watch.   A lot of this was because of tough guy Crowder and IT, but losing Sully might have played a  small factor as well.   That being said, he was argubly one of our finer bigs against CLE in the playoffs.

Sully knows how to use his body, it will be a big question if he can use his new body.  I am all for getting rid of guys who can D up, he deserves a shot this year, though.

As I've argued plenty of times before, whether with Sully or not, our team after the trade deadline was quite different from a roster perspective (had influx of talent). So, a with Sully / without Sully type of comparison is very very hard to make and incredibly noisy.

It also tends to ignore how after we traded Green our team was incrementally playing better (while still with Sullinger) with a 50% winning percentage if not mistaken and that in addition to incoming new talent explains more how we won than an explanation of playing without Sullinger.

"After Green was traded, we went 8-8. Seven of those loses against playoffs teams, 5 against teams considered powerhouses in the league: Chicago, Golden State, Hawks, Houston, Clippers.

We had a stretch where we lost 3 in a row against Chicago, Atlanta, Clippers, and then went 7-5 the rest of he way until Sully went down."

The rest are opinion based observations, which is fine.

TP ...well written

Re: any current news on sully and weight
« Reply #183 on: August 09, 2015, 12:23:15 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.

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« Reply #184 on: August 09, 2015, 12:27:06 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.
He looks exactly the way he did last year: wide, plodding, and earthbound...
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Re: any current news on sully and weight
« Reply #185 on: August 09, 2015, 12:33:35 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.
He looks exactly the way he did last year: wide, plodding, and earthbound...

Two of the things are irrelevant. As for wide, so your contention is that he looks equally wide? Not that he might've been wider last year?

But OK.

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« Reply #186 on: August 09, 2015, 01:27:45 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.
He looks exactly the way he did last year: wide, plodding, and earthbound...

The change of direction dribble-drive looked nice, but I can't stop thinking of that sit-up pic where his shoulders and chest pale in comparison to his stomach and 'base'. I'm hoping for the best from Sully, but from a true weight loss standpoint, I think a transformation will fail to be seen.

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« Reply #187 on: August 09, 2015, 04:05:05 PM »

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Earthbound may be the greatest way in the history of mankind to describe Sullinger. Rotfl!

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« Reply #188 on: August 09, 2015, 05:32:45 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.
He looks exactly the way he did last year: wide, plodding, and earthbound...
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« Reply #189 on: August 09, 2015, 06:53:45 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.
He looks exactly the way he did last year: wide, plodding, and earthbound...

And none of that was ever expected to be changed. He was always going to be wide and he was always going to be earthbound. He's not an above the rim player. People just want his weight under control so he can play a full season and game without falling apart. Sometimes I wonder what some people's expectations are..dude isn't going to transform into something he was never going to be.

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« Reply #190 on: August 09, 2015, 07:17:14 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.
He looks exactly the way he did last year: wide, plodding, and earthbound...

And none of that was ever expected to be changed. He was always going to be wide and he was always going to be earthbound. He's not an above the rim player. People just want his weight under control so he can play a full season and game without falling apart. Sometimes I wonder what some people's expectations are..dude isn't going to transform into something he was never going to be.

Thanks Dark. Finally a sensible statement. At least when he's earthbound he is not jumping at every up-fake and getting fouls like so many of the skybound athletes. I wish Kelly was more earthbound in that regard.


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« Reply #191 on: August 11, 2015, 01:42:42 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.
He looks exactly the way he did last year: wide, plodding, and earthbound...

And none of that was ever expected to be changed. He was always going to be wide and he was always going to be earthbound. He's not an above the rim player. People just want his weight under control so he can play a full season and game without falling apart. Sometimes I wonder what some people's expectations are..dude isn't going to transform into something he was never going to be.
Right. People need to keep in mind that no matter how much weight he loses he's never going to be Blake Griffin. The strengths in his game comes from the space he can carve out with his size and from having good hands. He needs to be in goo enough shape to not break down at the end of games (or in the middle of games for that matter) but let's manage our expectations.
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« Reply #192 on: August 11, 2015, 01:54:11 PM »

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I'm tempted to say he looks to be in better shape, but I want to refrain myself. I find it very hard to tell until the finished product arrives.
He looks exactly the way he did last year: wide, plodding, and earthbound...

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« Reply #193 on: August 11, 2015, 02:34:33 PM »

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Right. People need to keep in mind that no matter how much weight he loses he's never going to be Blake Griffin. The strengths in his game comes from the space he can carve out with his size and from having good hands. He needs to be in goo enough shape to not break down at the end of games (or in the middle of games for that matter) but let's manage our expectations.

Yeah, he still looks slow as Moses, to me.   I do think he has lost some weight.  But your right, he will never be Blake Griffin.  I think he will always shoot poorly, because he can't get separation from his man and lacks lift.  I am against drafting guys who are poor athletes in general.  Being slow and not able to jump gets to be a big disadvantage in the pros.  Guys can get buy in college with it but the pro game is different and your playing against the best in the land.   I think Larry Bird was a better athlete by a large margin than Sully. 

This guy was in the bottom on his draft class in athletic ability.  So all this is to be expected.   Ainge gambled on him.   So far he has been burnt.

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Interestingly enough, the slowest time wasn't by a seven-footer. Technically, Georgetown center Henry Sims, who posted a time of 3.81 seconds, is only 6'11". But perhaps his relatively slow time was the reason that he went undrafted, which was to the surprise of many. Jared Sullinger, who is 6'9", shared this time with Sims.

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Another rough time for Jared Sullinger, who posted a time of 12.77 seconds—the worst time by over .4 seconds! Second to last was Festus Ezeli, with 12.35 seconds, and right after him came, again, Henry Sims, with 12.33 seconds.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1243048-nba-draft-2012-weird-draft-combine-results-you-may-not-know-about

I would also point out they probably edited out the seven misses out of ten that he averages from three point land.  That D was horrific looked like High Schoolers to me.  I think Sully knows we have the option of not playing him now.   This coupled with a contract year may finally motivate him.   If I was Lee and Amir, I would buy him some snacks, as I bet this would hamper him.

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That layup BTW would be swatted by Mickey also those jumpers.  Ainge hedged his bets and took no chances after being lied too by Sully for two years.  " I will be in the best shape of my life"  Bear in mind we heard this crap last year.

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Head coach Brad Stevens recently met with Sullinger for an exit interview to determine the course of his summer workouts. Stevens spent a lot of time formulating the best way for players to approach the offseason, and one can imagine parts of his message to Sullinger: slim down, get more comfortable at the 3-point arc, figure out a better way to impede taller opponents near the rim.

“Coach told me what he’s seen. Coach told me what I can do better. And Coach was brutally honest,” Sullinger said. “I thought that was tremendous going into those exit meetings. Now I know what he’s looking for. Sometimes you can’t really say stuff during the season because you don’t really want to change what’s going on throughout the season. But now that the season’s over, he came at me, told me what he wants, told me what he needs from me. Now it’s just time to change and play my game.

Pressed about what Stevens said that differed from his in-season discussions, Sullinger replied: “Just what he wants from me as far as the offensive and defensive end. He showed flashes of telling me that. But not as aggressively as he did in the exit meetings.”

Sullinger called it “definitely a goal” to become more of a power forward. Though the Celtics needed him at center this year, the team envisions him one day stretching his game more to the perimeter. Stevens wants the big man to improve his shooting and become a better defender, but he knows Sullinger will not reach his potential without improved conditioning.

“I think it’s mostly about conditioning, it’s mostly about being able to play longer stretches as effectively as possible,” the coach said late in March. “And sometimes those stretches happen throughout the course of a game where you do play pretty well for an extended stretch because you feel good that night, whatever the case may be. But just being able to do it back to back, to back, to back, to back. And that’s the challenge of the NBA in general. But for a young guy in his second year, he’s had a lot of great moments. I think the focus will be on enhancing the number of times that you have those moments, because he’s a capable guy.”

I do not think CBS even likes his game.

Quotes from last year.

http://nesn.com/2014/04/rajon-rondos-fate-brad-stevens-culture-in-focus-for-celtics-offseason/

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2014/04/jared_sullinger_really_excited.html

http://greenstreet.weei.com/sports/boston/basketball/celtics/2014/07/02/jared-sullinger-admits-he-could-do-more-to-be-in-better-shape-i-think-conditioning-was-a-big-factor/

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2014/07/02/cnotes/lyA0clB4wlV7uIlumZdRmK/story.html

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2014/09/06/robb-sullingers-offseason-conditioning-focus-should-lead-to-court-confidence/

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/stop-me-if-youve-heard-this-one-before-jared-sullinger-vows-to-get-in-shape-this-offseason/

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« Reply #194 on: August 11, 2015, 06:31:01 PM »

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He's never going to be Blake Griffin???  Seriously, did any of you haters really think he was going to be?

I'll bet the haters are ON the "Love James Young Train" but guess what? He will never be a Michael Jordan! I doubt he will even be a Jordan Farmer.