Embiid rebroke foot , wil miss next season too !

[slamtheking]

This stuff is so great. If things work out well for the Sixers, it would make the NBA less fun. Watching MCW, Embiid, and Saric, three huge prospects, turn to dust in their hands is gratifying, and if the 76ers tankathon turns into a cautionary tale that will be the best possible outcome for all basketball fans not living in Philly.

They still have a lot of time on the clock, though. Noel won't be able to get out for three more years (though maybe he if doesn't learn to shoot this season, they'll decide they have to trade him =P)

3 years?  must be including the coming year in that total.  if not, could you clarify?

Let me make sure I have it right-- He's under contract this season and next, and then the season after is his RFA season, right? He won't suit up for another team until fall of 2018 if the Sixers don't let him.

yes, that's my understanding  -- I don't include this year when talking what's left under his rookie deal but we're in agreement when he's able to get out from Philly control

[guava_wrench]

The Embiid thing is definitely demonstrating that creating a culture of professionalism and targeting the right guys is a factor you must consider, even if talent, at the end of the day, is the most important thing by far.

The Sixers will still be fine if a couple of these draft picks hit and they start surrounding them with overpaid role players.  Hinkie, like Morey, has shown he can find role players off the bargain bin.  They'll have to overpay guys to go there, but that will change if they have a couple of young stars and they make a playoff appearance. 

All of the negativity will dissipate once there's some excitement around the team.  And it can turn around really quickly.  Look at how quickly it happened for the Bucks.


If Okafor isn't as good as they hope, Embiid never comes back from this injury, and Saric never comes over, then you start to wonder if they clean house and over-correct in the other direction like Charlotte.

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

The Thunder are a good comparison. They had no interest in retaining Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis because they wanted to fully rebuild.

[Eddie20]

I just get the impression that "IF" we had drafted him things would've turned out different for him - JMO.

Yes, the pasta in the north end has magical healing powers.

[GreenFaith1819]

I just get the impression that "IF" we had drafted him things would've turned out different for him - JMO.

Yes, the pasta in the north end has magical healing powers.

lol, no - the "Pasta in the North" has Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens at the helm - the latter which ranked 4th for COY last season.

The latter, who stayed the course and got us to the playoffs despite Danny trading our best two players.

The former, who is building the franchise the RIGHT WAY, and has PLENTY of picks AND options left.

If I were Embiid, it would be hard for me to fail in BOS. Yes - he has some injury issues (allegedly), but things are starting to appear too shady for me in PHI.

And I don't mean slim shady, either.



"Shady" as in becoming a cesspool of fail - with no apparent improvement in sight for PHI. "Shady" as in half-truths leaking out to the media and other strange things with PHI right now.

You keep a losing environment long enough, and you'd be surprised at how things develop.

I just don't believe the book is closed on embiid just yet. But if it's PHI writing the story - it just may be.

[moiso]

I just get the impression that "IF" we had drafted him things would've turned out different for him - JMO.

I have a lot of respect for Philly, nostalgia and all - but I question the moves they've made over the last couple of years.

I still believe he's a top talent....he just may never reach that potential in Philly, though.

I don't get how you think things would be different for him.  Maybe his behavior would be a tiny bit better, but maybe not.  The Celtics magical winning culture hasn't helped Sullinger improve his diet, so I see no reason that it would help Embiid's.  One thing is for certain- if Embiid were on the Celtics he would still have the same foot and would still have never played in an NBA game.

Maybe you think if the Celtics had gotten lucky and drafted Oden he would be a perennial first team allstar with the C's... with a healthy body, awesome behavior, and an aversion to alcohol.   Seems like the same thing to me that you are claiming with Embiid.

[Moranis]

The Embiid thing is definitely demonstrating that creating a culture of professionalism and targeting the right guys is a factor you must consider, even if talent, at the end of the day, is the most important thing by far.

The Sixers will still be fine if a couple of these draft picks hit and they start surrounding them with overpaid role players.  Hinkie, like Morey, has shown he can find role players off the bargain bin.  They'll have to overpay guys to go there, but that will change if they have a couple of young stars and they make a playoff appearance. 

All of the negativity will dissipate once there's some excitement around the team.  And it can turn around really quickly.  Look at how quickly it happened for the Bucks.


If Okafor isn't as good as they hope, Embiid never comes back from this injury, and Saric never comes over, then you start to wonder if they clean house and over-correct in the other direction like Charlotte.

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

The Thunder are a good comparison. They had no interest in retaining Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis because they wanted to fully rebuild.

They did a lot more tanking that that.  The Sonics/Thunder full on tanked for just over 2 years.  During that time they acquired 10 1st round draft picks in the span of 5 years, including Durant, Westbrook, and Harden as top 5 picks (and Green at 6).  The only real difference between them and the Sixers is the players the Thunder drafted didn't miss any time and were pretty good from the start.  Noel looked pretty good last year, but he is more an Ibaka type player (Ibaka has really worked on his outside shot and that is now a part of his game, but he isn't a big time scorer and didn't start out with that weapon).  If Okafor is a real scorer and can play with Noel then they have a darn good base with likely 3 more 1sts next year. 

[saltlover]

The Embiid thing is definitely demonstrating that creating a culture of professionalism and targeting the right guys is a factor you must consider, even if talent, at the end of the day, is the most important thing by far.

The Sixers will still be fine if a couple of these draft picks hit and they start surrounding them with overpaid role players.  Hinkie, like Morey, has shown he can find role players off the bargain bin.  They'll have to overpay guys to go there, but that will change if they have a couple of young stars and they make a playoff appearance. 

All of the negativity will dissipate once there's some excitement around the team.  And it can turn around really quickly.  Look at how quickly it happened for the Bucks.


If Okafor isn't as good as they hope, Embiid never comes back from this injury, and Saric never comes over, then you start to wonder if they clean house and over-correct in the other direction like Charlotte.

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

The Thunder are a good comparison. They had no interest in retaining Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis because they wanted to fully rebuild.

They did a lot more tanking that that.  The Sonics/Thunder full on tanked for just over 2 years.  During that time they acquired 10 1st round draft picks in the span of 5 years, including Durant, Westbrook, and Harden as top 5 picks (and Green at 6).  The only real difference between them and the Sixers is the players the Thunder drafted didn't miss any time and were pretty good from the start.  Noel looked pretty good last year, but he is more an Ibaka type player (Ibaka has really worked on his outside shot and that is now a part of his game, but he isn't a big time scorer and didn't start out with that weapon).  If Okafor is a real scorer and can play with Noel then they have a darn good base with likely 3 more 1sts next year.

Just to correct the record, Green was picked at 5.  We had the second-worst record that year, so the worst we could fall was #5 overall -- which, of course, we did.

[Moranis]

The Embiid thing is definitely demonstrating that creating a culture of professionalism and targeting the right guys is a factor you must consider, even if talent, at the end of the day, is the most important thing by far.

The Sixers will still be fine if a couple of these draft picks hit and they start surrounding them with overpaid role players.  Hinkie, like Morey, has shown he can find role players off the bargain bin.  They'll have to overpay guys to go there, but that will change if they have a couple of young stars and they make a playoff appearance. 

All of the negativity will dissipate once there's some excitement around the team.  And it can turn around really quickly.  Look at how quickly it happened for the Bucks.


If Okafor isn't as good as they hope, Embiid never comes back from this injury, and Saric never comes over, then you start to wonder if they clean house and over-correct in the other direction like Charlotte.

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

The Thunder are a good comparison. They had no interest in retaining Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis because they wanted to fully rebuild.

They did a lot more tanking that that.  The Sonics/Thunder full on tanked for just over 2 years.  During that time they acquired 10 1st round draft picks in the span of 5 years, including Durant, Westbrook, and Harden as top 5 picks (and Green at 6).  The only real difference between them and the Sixers is the players the Thunder drafted didn't miss any time and were pretty good from the start.  Noel looked pretty good last year, but he is more an Ibaka type player (Ibaka has really worked on his outside shot and that is now a part of his game, but he isn't a big time scorer and didn't start out with that weapon).  If Okafor is a real scorer and can play with Noel then they have a darn good base with likely 3 more 1sts next year.

Just to correct the record, Green was picked at 5.  We had the second-worst record that year, so the worst we could fall was #5 overall -- which, of course, we did.

yeah my bad.

[GreenFaith1819]

I just get the impression that "IF" we had drafted him things would've turned out different for him - JMO.

I have a lot of respect for Philly, nostalgia and all - but I question the moves they've made over the last couple of years.

I still believe he's a top talent....he just may never reach that potential in Philly, though.

I don't get how you think things would be different for him.  Maybe his behavior would be a tiny bit better, but maybe not.  The Celtics magical winning culture hasn't helped Sullinger improve his diet, so I see no reason that it would help Embiid's.  One thing is for certain- if Embiid were on the Celtics he would still have the same foot and would still have never played in an NBA game.

Maybe you think if the Celtics had gotten lucky and drafted Oden he would be a perennial first team allstar with the C's... with a healthy body, awesome behavior, and an aversion to alcohol.   Seems like the same thing to me that you are claiming with Embiid.

What I'm claiming is that perhaps PHI did not handle his injury properly? Did not manage it well?

It is just so strange how he got injured AGAIN - right before PHI was to choose Jalil in the draft..

And - Celtics Mystique has been GREAT for some Old, Beat-up HOFers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXffC7SjYRw

And of course Shaq.

Not saying that Embiid will EVER sniff the talent level of Shaq or Walton, but The Boston Celtics have allowed many players to come in here and get healthy and contribute.

[moiso]

I just get the impression that "IF" we had drafted him things would've turned out different for him - JMO.

I have a lot of respect for Philly, nostalgia and all - but I question the moves they've made over the last couple of years.

I still believe he's a top talent....he just may never reach that potential in Philly, though.

I don't get how you think things would be different for him.  Maybe his behavior would be a tiny bit better, but maybe not.  The Celtics magical winning culture hasn't helped Sullinger improve his diet, so I see no reason that it would help Embiid's.  One thing is for certain- if Embiid were on the Celtics he would still have the same foot and would still have never played in an NBA game.

Maybe you think if the Celtics had gotten lucky and drafted Oden he would be a perennial first team allstar with the C's... with a healthy body, awesome behavior, and an aversion to alcohol.   Seems like the same thing to me that you are claiming with Embiid.

What I'm claiming is that perhaps PHI did not handle his injury properly? Did not manage it well?

It is just so strange how he got injured AGAIN - right before PHI was to choose Jalil in the draft..

And - Celtics Mystique has been GREAT for some Old, Beat-up HOFers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXffC7SjYRw

And of course Shaq.

Not saying that Embiid will EVER sniff the talent level of Shaq or Walton, but The Boston Celtics have allowed many players to come in here and get healthy and contribute.

I don't know, it seems to me that they have been as cautious as they were supposed to be.  I mean, he had the surgery and it didn't heal well.  There comes a time when the walking boot has to come off.  Maybe the Celtics would have tried to keep him in a walking boot for a year,  but Embiid obviously didn't wear it at times when he was supposed to.  Kind of like Jordan in his second year but with drastically different results.

[hwangjini_1]

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

But you're making the classic mistake of assuming this has anything to do with the lack of "honor" in tanking.

It's all about the talent on your roster and winning games.

Get talent, the wins will come.  With the wins will come a positive atmosphere.

Lose lots of games, you'll have negativity.  Doesn't matter how many nice guys you get together in a room.

The Bucks had the worst record in the league a couple of years ago and they were a mess with a number of overpaid, chronically injured players on the decline.

Then they took the right guy at the top of the draft and the raw project they selected in the middle of the first round the year before started to look like a future star.  They hired a new coach and they had a bounce back season.  Suddenly they're a team on the rise, and they sign a young free agent who considers them ahead of a number of teams in bigger markets.


My point is this -- if Okafor puts up 20 and 10 en route to Rookie of the Year and it looks like he and Noel can play together, then the Sixers draft Ben Simmons and sign a few decent players on the younger side of things to help give their team some balance, and that all works out to a run for the 8th seed in 2017, suddenly all of the "bad karma" around the Sixers will be gone. 

Nobody will care how they got there, just that they'll have "arrived."

well, the 2003-04 lakers might beg to differ with this blanket statement. 

[Big333223]

I think the Sixers are in a pretty good position right now. Even if Emiib never plays a minute for them, Noel is a good player, Okafor is on track to be a terrific big man, Saric is still likely to come over in a year (when he'll still only be 22 years old) and they'll have another high draft pick in 2016.

The point of the extreme tanking was to be able to gamble on guys like Embiid and have a safety net in case they miss (which is looking like Embiid was a big miss).

[slamtheking]

I think the Sixers are in a pretty good position right now. Even if Emiib never plays a minute for them, Noel is a good player, Okafor is on track to be a terrific big man, Saric is still likely to come over in a year (when he'll still only be 22 years old) and they'll have another high draft pick in 2016.

The point of the extreme tanking was to be able to gamble on guys like Embiid and have a safety net in case they miss (which is looking like Embiid was a big miss).

based on what?  he hasn't even gotten through pre-season yet.  summer league wasn't terribly impressive for him so not sure what track you're referring to

[Big333223]

I think the Sixers are in a pretty good position right now. Even if Emiib never plays a minute for them, Noel is a good player, Okafor is on track to be a terrific big man, Saric is still likely to come over in a year (when he'll still only be 22 years old) and they'll have another high draft pick in 2016.

The point of the extreme tanking was to be able to gamble on guys like Embiid and have a safety net in case they miss (which is looking like Embiid was a big miss).

based on what?  he hasn't even gotten through pre-season yet.  summer league wasn't terribly impressive for him so not sure what track you're referring to

His size, skill set, and age, basically. Since he hasn't played a real game yet, there isn't too much else to go on.

[Moranis]

I think the Sixers are in a pretty good position right now. Even if Emiib never plays a minute for them, Noel is a good player, Okafor is on track to be a terrific big man, Saric is still likely to come over in a year (when he'll still only be 22 years old) and they'll have another high draft pick in 2016.

The point of the extreme tanking was to be able to gamble on guys like Embiid and have a safety net in case they miss (which is looking like Embiid was a big miss).

Sixers will also very likely get the Lakers, Thunder, and Heat 1sts in addition to theirs which should be a top 5 pick.