Embiid rebroke foot , wil miss next season too !

[Big333223]

I think the Sixers are in a pretty good position right now. Even if Emiib never plays a minute for them, Noel is a good player, Okafor is on track to be a terrific big man, Saric is still likely to come over in a year (when he'll still only be 22 years old) and they'll have another high draft pick in 2016.

The point of the extreme tanking was to be able to gamble on guys like Embiid and have a safety net in case they miss (which is looking like Embiid was a big miss).

Sixers will also very likely get the Lakers, Thunder, and Heat 1sts in addition to theirs which should be a top 5 pick.

Yeah, they really are well positioned. At this point, I'd say they're done trying to lose and if they can make a couple of smart decisions the next 2 seasons, they should be in contention.

[MBunge]

The Embiid thing is definitely demonstrating that creating a culture of professionalism and targeting the right guys is a factor you must consider, even if talent, at the end of the day, is the most important thing by far.

The Sixers will still be fine if a couple of these draft picks hit and they start surrounding them with overpaid role players.  Hinkie, like Morey, has shown he can find role players off the bargain bin.  They'll have to overpay guys to go there, but that will change if they have a couple of young stars and they make a playoff appearance. 

All of the negativity will dissipate once there's some excitement around the team.  And it can turn around really quickly.  Look at how quickly it happened for the Bucks.


If Okafor isn't as good as they hope, Embiid never comes back from this injury, and Saric never comes over, then you start to wonder if they clean house and over-correct in the other direction like Charlotte.

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

The Thunder are a good comparison. They had no interest in retaining Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis because they wanted to fully rebuild.

They did a lot more tanking that that.  The Sonics/Thunder full on tanked for just over 2 years.

AAAAGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

Why does this myth persist?

In 2007, Seattle went 31-51.  THEY WERE NOT TANKING.

They then got incredibly lucky in the draft and got Durant.  They then traded Ray Allen for the 5th pick (Jeff Green), Delonte West and Wally Z.  Trading an aging veteran for a top 5 pick and players cannot be considered a tanking move.

2008, they totally tanked.  No argument.

2009, they were not tanking.  They were just bad.  How do we know?  They traded a first round pick for Thabo Sefolosha.  Tanking teams don't trade 1st round picks.

So, Seattle only actively tanked for one season.  Philly is now entering year three of their tank fest.  There is no comparison.

Mike

[BDeCosta26]

I think the Sixers are in a pretty good position right now. Even if Emiib never plays a minute for them, Noel is a good player, Okafor is on track to be a terrific big man, Saric is still likely to come over in a year (when he'll still only be 22 years old) and they'll have another high draft pick in 2016.

The point of the extreme tanking was to be able to gamble on guys like Embiid and have a safety net in case they miss (which is looking like Embiid was a big miss).

Sixers will also very likely get the Lakers, Thunder, and Heat 1sts in addition to theirs which should be a top 5 pick.

Yeah, they really are well positioned. At this point, I'd say they're done trying to lose and if they can make a couple of smart decisions the next 2 seasons, they should be in contention.

I wouldn't go that far. They've done a great job accumulating assets, for sure. Hinkie has pulled off some real valuable trades. But they're more than two years away at this point.

The Okafor/Noel pairing doesn't really work well, and in the long run I think at least one if not two of the Embiid/Noel/Okafor trio has to go. I really don't know what's going on with Saric, but there's been rumblings that he doesn't want to play in Philly. They've been doing this for like 3 or 4 years now with all these lottery picks and it hasn't produced much on the court. I think this 2016 draft is as big for them as it is for us, if not even bigger. They need to strike it big on Okafor and at least one or two guys from this next draft with all their high picks.

But even then, the whole culture there seems disjointed. It's gotta be really hard getting guys to buy into that plan. If Okafor is a star, and they do strike gold on a pick or two in 2016, I think they're still two or three years out from there, so four or five years from now sounds about right.

Of course, a part of me wants to see the basketball gods punish them for their whole "plan" but it makes sense to me why they'd try it.

[slamtheking]

I think the Sixers are in a pretty good position right now. Even if Emiib never plays a minute for them, Noel is a good player, Okafor is on track to be a terrific big man, Saric is still likely to come over in a year (when he'll still only be 22 years old) and they'll have another high draft pick in 2016.

The point of the extreme tanking was to be able to gamble on guys like Embiid and have a safety net in case they miss (which is looking like Embiid was a big miss).

based on what?  he hasn't even gotten through pre-season yet.  summer league wasn't terribly impressive for him so not sure what track you're referring to

His size, skill set, and age, basically. Since he hasn't played a real game yet, there isn't too much else to go on.

which is exactly why there's no 'track' he's on yet.  everything is just projected/anticipated results.  the draft is loaded with players with high expectations that never produced.

now I'm not saying I think he's a bust or will be a bust.  I do think he'll turn out to be pretty good but that's nothing more than unsupported conjecture on my part.

[Forza Juventus]

I'm more concerned about his injuries than smear campaigns. But obviously it doesn't sound good. Also sounds like the Philly organization might be a little disfunctional.

[Denis998]

I'm more concerned about his injuries than smear campaigns. But obviously it doesn't sound good. Also sounds like the Philly organization might be a little disfunctional.

Just a little? more like completely 

[Forza Juventus]

I'm more concerned about his injuries than smear campaigns. But obviously it doesn't sound good. Also sounds like the Philly organization might be a little disfunctional.

Just a little? more like completely 

The coach and gm each thought the other was going to tell Embiid not to go to summer league 

[LarBrd33]

I'll say that long-term, Philly still fascinates me.  No, I'm not a 76ers fan, but that entire situation is such a ballsy all-in approach that I absolutely have to respect it.  "Superstars or bust".  It's a mentality you can only really ever afford to have in video games.   Hinkie went for it and so far... it's been slightly disastrous.   I mean, I don't blame anyone for thinking this is an outright failure. 

... But maybe not.

Nerlens Noel is still one of my favorite prospects in the NBA.   Defensively, he already appears to be an impact player who can be the epicenter of an elite NBA defense.  Defensive bigs are hard to come by.  He's adding to his game offensively.  What he showed over the second half of the season was truly impressive.   His shot looks improved.  He's one to watch this year.

Okafor has fans.  He probably doesn't need any defenders.  People seem to agree he's a legit star prospect.

The Stauskas trade was underrated.  I'm intrigued by Stauskas in year 2.  I'm alone on Stauskas island, but he's someone I kind of hoped Boston would steal from the Kings (even suggested we should have offered #16 for him). 

People still believe Saric has a big future.

This Embiid situation is depressing on pretty much all basketball fan levels.  As a Celtic fan, I'm cool with it... since seeing a Philly Juggernaut doesn't do anything for me.  But man... what a mess.   Again, obligatory mention that I've eaten my crow on the Embiid front... I was basing my perception of the situation on what was being said publicly by the team and people close to Embiid.  I listened to podcasts of people who had hung out with Embiid and noted him dancing, jumping around dunking, having no pain, etc.  I decided to go with "innocent until proven guilty"... "not serious until proven serious"... And ended up dead wrong.  I was on the losing end of the Embiid guesstimation.

That said, it's now October 18th, 2015 and we've yet to see any official confirmation that Embiid did in-fact rebreak his foot.   All the reports of him jumping around, dunking, feeling no pain, walking around without a boot, etc... HAVE been confirmed by multiple sources.   I ask the smuggest of the smug to please step forward...  Point me in the direction of your posts from months ago where you predicted that Embiid was probably threatening his strength coach, refusing to wear a walking boot out of spite, refusing to participate in workouts/thearpy, throwing out healthy food in favor of hot dogs, and dunking/running against the will of the team.  Something tells me nobody was beating that drum.  I said months ago that there were a few "conspiracy theory" camps.  Those who felt the team was lying about the injury = Conspiracy camp 1.    Those who felt Hinkie was trying to make it seem more severe than it was in efforts to drive the Lakers away from his target with the third pick (D'Angelo Russell) = Conspiracy Camp 2.   And those who felt he was more-or-less fine, but the team refused to let him play until he was 110%  = Conspiracy Camp 3.   I was in Camp 3.  Most seemed to be in Camp 1.   None of us really knew what was going on.    Apparently we all neglected to consider Conspiracy 4:  Embiid was a disgruntled immature young punk who was going to run around dunking on his foot in spite of his team's efforts to help him.    Go figure. 

I should have paid more attention to this video... analyzed it like the Zapruder film... perhaps than I would have discovered Conspiracy theory 4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LckiKil7_Q

[Forza Juventus]

Noel is one of the best young players in the nba. If it's tru that he wants to leave philly asap then we should make a big effort to trade for him. I'm not the biggest Okafor fan but he is still a great prospect. But the Embiid pick might end up being a failure and if it's tru Saric doesn't want to play for philly that might be a failed pick. That being said both picks made sense at the time. As did the Noel and Okafor picks. These all were the best players available. I don't like the way they treat their players tho, carter-williams and apparently the staff were all blindsided. Also the way they negotiate with rookies is disgusting.

[Eddie20]

Philly still fascinates me.

You don't say

[Emmette Bryant]

hey celticsblog made the internets   

http://en.yibada.com/articles/75587/20151020/nba-trade-rumors-boston-celtics-joel-embiid-explored-injured-center.htm

[Kane3387]

hey celticsblog made the internets   

http://en.yibada.com/articles/75587/20151020/nba-trade-rumors-boston-celtics-joel-embiid-explored-injured-center.htm

Haha. That's cool!

[PhoSita]

As a fan of basketball, I'd like to see the Philly situation work out.  The Eastern Conference needs more strong, talented teams, and a handful of young stars in Philadelphia -- a major market with a classic NBA franchise -- would be good for the league and the game.

And hey, if what the Sixers are doing works out like gangbusters for them, albeit after 3-5 years of total suckitude, maybe the league will do something to change the system.

Hate the game, don't hate the playa.

[Moranis]

The Embiid thing is definitely demonstrating that creating a culture of professionalism and targeting the right guys is a factor you must consider, even if talent, at the end of the day, is the most important thing by far.

The Sixers will still be fine if a couple of these draft picks hit and they start surrounding them with overpaid role players.  Hinkie, like Morey, has shown he can find role players off the bargain bin.  They'll have to overpay guys to go there, but that will change if they have a couple of young stars and they make a playoff appearance. 

All of the negativity will dissipate once there's some excitement around the team.  And it can turn around really quickly.  Look at how quickly it happened for the Bucks.


If Okafor isn't as good as they hope, Embiid never comes back from this injury, and Saric never comes over, then you start to wonder if they clean house and over-correct in the other direction like Charlotte.

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

The Thunder are a good comparison. They had no interest in retaining Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis because they wanted to fully rebuild.

They did a lot more tanking that that.  The Sonics/Thunder full on tanked for just over 2 years.

AAAAGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!

Why does this myth persist?

In 2007, Seattle went 31-51.  THEY WERE NOT TANKING.

They then got incredibly lucky in the draft and got Durant.  They then traded Ray Allen for the 5th pick (Jeff Green), Delonte West and Wally Z.  Trading an aging veteran for a top 5 pick and players cannot be considered a tanking move.

2008, they totally tanked.  No argument.

2009, they were not tanking.  They were just bad.  How do we know?  They traded a first round pick for Thabo Sefolosha.  Tanking teams don't trade 1st round picks.

So, Seattle only actively tanked for one season.  Philly is now entering year three of their tank fest.  There is no comparison.

Mike

Here is a post I made on this site about a year ago.  The Sonics/Thunder full on tanked for right around 3 years.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=73833.msg1750863#msg1750863 

Sonics/Thunder

June 28, 2007 trade Ray Allen, 2nd for Green, West, corpse of Wally, future 2nd
July 11, 2007 trade Rashard Lewis for protected 2nd and trade exception
February 20, 2008 trade Kurt Thomas for Elson, protected 1st, contract of Brent Barry (who was immediately waived)
February 21, 2008 trade Wally, West for Newble, Marshall, Griffin (cost saving trade)
August 13, 2008 trade Ridnour, Griffin for Smith, Mason (lateral move)
August 14, 2008 lose Elson to free agency (thus solidifying the sell off of Thomas)
August 20, 2008 waive Marshall
September 29 & 30, 2008 sign a bunch of d-leaguers 3 of which are waived 1 month later (thus solidifying the only free agency move as re-signing Swift on Sept 11)
January 7, 2009 trade Petro, 2nd for Atkins, cash, protected 1st
February 17, 2009 - first real win now move by trading for Chandler, but trade is rescinded when Chandler fails physical
February 19, 2009 trade the January 7th acquired 1st for Sefolosha (win now move)
but follow that up on the same day by trading Wilcox for Malike Rose and cash (back to selling off)
July 27, 2009 trade Atkins, Wilkins for Thomas, 2nd, conditional 2nd (acquiring assets again)
Only real free agent signed in 2009 is Kevin Ollie (team re-signed Sefolosha)
December 22, 2009 this is when they start making win now moves by trading Peter Fehse for Harpring, Maynor
June 23, 2010 trade 2nd for Cook, 1st (to help Heat clear cap room for James and co.)
though they then turn around and trade the 1st the next day for a future 1st (the first they traded was Bledsoe, the 1st they acquired was Fab Melo)

From that point on they pretty much are more in the win now mold of trades, but for basically a 3 year period the Thunder were selling off as much as they could to acquire assets and tank for draft position.  No one thinks of them in the Philly mold because Durant, Westbrook, and Harden (and Ibaka to a lesser extent) were pretty darn good players from their first game in the league, but this Philly strategy has been done a lot more than people think, the difference of course is Philly took some players that had injuries or were overseas (but Noel is probably going to be the best player from his draft, Embiid certainly could be the best player from his, and Saric is one of the best players in Europe).

[Rondo9]

As a fan of basketball, I'd like to see the Philly situation work out.  The Eastern Conference needs more strong, talented teams, and a handful of young stars in Philadelphia -- a major market with a classic NBA franchise -- would be good for the league and the game.

And hey, if what the Sixers are doing works out like gangbusters for them, albeit after 3-5 years of total suckitude, maybe the league will do something to change the system.

Hate the game, don't hate the playa.

Or other teams will follow suit and the NBA will be painful to watch.