Embiid rebroke foot , wil miss next season too !

[bdm860]

This stuff is so great. If things work out well for the Sixers, it would make the NBA less fun. Watching MCW, Embiid, and Saric, three huge prospects, turn to dust in their hands is gratifying, and if the 76ers tankathon turns into a cautionary tale that will be the best possible outcome for all basketball fans not living in Philly.

They still have a lot of time on the clock, though. Noel won't be able to get out for three more years (though maybe he if doesn't learn to shoot this season, they'll decide they have to trade him =P)

3 years?  must be including the coming year in that total.  if not, could you clarify?

Let me make sure I have it right-- He's under contract this season and next, and then the season after is his RFA season, right? He won't suit up for another team until fall of 2018 if the Sixers don't let him.

I think it's more complicated than that.

They have to decide if they want to extend him or not by Oct 31, 2016.  So if he misses any significant time due to an injury or has sophmore slump or whatever, the Sixers won't have that much to base their decision on.

Sure if he proves he's worthy of the max, this is a pretty easy call (unless he pulls a Greg Monroe and doesn't want to stay in Philly no matter what).  But you could get a situation like we've seen with James Harden, Reggie Jackson, Enes Kanter, Tristan Thompson, etc., where a player wants a bigger deal than the team is willing to give him (also consider guys like Joakim Noah, Al Horford, Marc Gasol, Andrew Bogut, Serge Ibaka didn't get the max coming off their rookie deals).  This could be a very difficult call to make.  Plus what if he's not playing well with Okafor, and/or Okafor is playing better?  What if Noel wants a Designated Player deal, what if they want to give it Okafor?

So if they don't extend him, or they can't agree on the dollar amounts, then he's playing out that 4th year and this can be a huge distraction to the team (or they'll be forced to trade him in order to get something like Reggie Jackson or Enes Kanter or James Harden).

If he's still around in the summer of 2017, now he's a RFA, so any team can offer him a contract but Philly can match, so if the issue was dollars before, why would Philly match now?  Or if he doesn't want Philly to match, he'll sign the qualifying offer and play out that 5th year, and then be an unrestricted free agent in 2018.

• So they have to decide if they want to extend him by Oct 31, 2016.
• If not he will become a RFA on Jul 1, 2017.
• Here he could re-sign with Philly or sign with another team (with Philly being able to match) or take the qualifying offer.
• If he takes the qualifying offer, he's an unrestricted free agent on Jul 1, 2018.

[tankcity!]

The Embiid thing is definitely demonstrating that creating a culture of professionalism and targeting the right guys is a factor you must consider, even if talent, at the end of the day, is the most important thing by far.

The Sixers will still be fine if a couple of these draft picks hit and they start surrounding them with overpaid role players.  Hinkie, like Morey, has shown he can find role players off the bargain bin.  They'll have to overpay guys to go there, but that will change if they have a couple of young stars and they make a playoff appearance. 

All of the negativity will dissipate once there's some excitement around the team.  And it can turn around really quickly.  Look at how quickly it happened for the Bucks.


If Okafor isn't as good as they hope, Embiid never comes back from this injury, and Saric never comes over, then you start to wonder if they clean house and over-correct in the other direction like Charlotte.

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

[PhoSita]

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

But you're making the classic mistake of assuming this has anything to do with the lack of "honor" in tanking.

It's all about the talent on your roster and winning games.

Get talent, the wins will come.  With the wins will come a positive atmosphere.

Lose lots of games, you'll have negativity.  Doesn't matter how many nice guys you get together in a room.

The Bucks had the worst record in the league a couple of years ago and they were a mess with a number of overpaid, chronically injured players on the decline.

Then they took the right guy at the top of the draft and the raw project they selected in the middle of the first round the year before started to look like a future star.  They hired a new coach and they had a bounce back season.  Suddenly they're a team on the rise, and they sign a young free agent who considers them ahead of a number of teams in bigger markets.


My point is this -- if Okafor puts up 20 and 10 en route to Rookie of the Year and it looks like he and Noel can play together, then the Sixers draft Ben Simmons and sign a few decent players on the younger side of things to help give their team some balance, and that all works out to a run for the 8th seed in 2017, suddenly all of the "bad karma" around the Sixers will be gone. 

Nobody will care how they got there, just that they'll have "arrived."

[hwangjini_1]

it looks as if folks may have to redo those "biggest busts in nba history" galleries i find on line. none of this looks remotely good for his career.

[tankcity!]

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

But you're making the classic mistake of assuming this has anything to do with the lack of "honor" in tanking.

It's all about the talent on your roster and winning games.

Get talent, the wins will come.  With the wins will come a positive atmosphere.

Lose lots of games, you'll have negativity.  Doesn't matter how many nice guys you get together in a room.

The Bucks had the worst record in the league a couple of years ago and they were a mess with a number of overpaid, chronically injured players on the decline.

Then they took the right guy at the top of the draft and the raw project they selected in the middle of the first round the year before started to look like a future star.  They hired a new coach and they had a bounce back season.  Suddenly they're a team on the rise, and they sign a young free agent who considers them ahead of a number of teams in bigger markets.


My point is this -- if Okafor puts up 20 and 10 en route to Rookie of the Year and it looks like he and Noel can play together, then the Sixers draft Ben Simmons and sign a few decent players on the younger side of things to help give their team some balance, and that all works out to a run for the 8th seed in 2017, suddenly all of the "bad karma" around the Sixers will be gone. 

Nobody will care how they got there, just that they'll have "arrived."

If what you're saying is true, then Sacremento shouldn't suck with all the first round picks they've had. Culture matters. It's how players develop faster because they want to win and feel responsible after having a taste of success. Look at the Celtics during the Carr era. They had high picks, but things didn't turn around until DA was hired. He changed the culture of the team. It matters...

[MBunge]

Bucks never tanked the way Philly did. That's a terrible example. They got parker because of injuries and Sanders losing his mind after they were constantly in the middle. Second, they got the greek freak in the middle of the first round. Let's not compare Sixers to other teams like the Thunder and Magic.

But you're making the classic mistake of assuming this has anything to do with the lack of "honor" in tanking.

It's all about the talent on your roster and winning games.

Get talent, the wins will come.

But the examples of teams that have talent and still lose, or at least don't win anywhere close to what their talent indicates, are legion.

Or are you saying Boston's talent was THAT much better than the non-playoff teams in the East.  7 games better than Charlotte?  8 games better than Detroit?  15 games better than Orlando?

Mike

[SHAQATTACK]

Team and player trying to both milk their way out of this situation.   

Embiid ...fat 7 footer selling insurance and Philly out of a frat pick is how this is going down .  The fans should boycott the Owners to fire the horses rear that is in charge .....how many years of not playing basketball.  Time for Silver step in.

[Eddie20]

Pretty sure someone on here will try to spin this into a positive for the Sixers and cite Hinkie's genius.

[KG Living Legend]

 They stocked his fridge with fruits and vegetables and every week they threw it out, while he ordered hot dogs and garbage to room service. He won't were his walking boot. It's time for Larbrd to eat cross and Admit this kid is a bum.

[Lucky17]

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=79992.msg1959785#new

[PhoSita]

If what you're saying is true, then Sacremento shouldn't suck with all the first round picks they've had.

Arguably, they've made a lot of bad picks.  Draft picks are only as valuable as you make them.

The Kings have also done a poor job developing the players they do pick, and they keep swapping out coaches CONSTANTLY instead of sticking with one guy and letting him put a system in place and develop a group of players he knows and likes.

I'm not equating talent with first round picks.  Those picks have to pan out, and as an organization you have to not let the talent get totally wasted.

It's possible that the out-and-out losing, and the general attitude that the Sixers have no interest in trying to be good, will make it a lot harder for the Sixers to actually get something out of the talented players they do get in the draft.

Still, I think the Sixers have a decent coach, and they've got at least one, probably two high level big man prospects on the roster already.  They're not THAT far away from being a decent team if Noel and Okafor have a really nice season, they get another top 10 pick that turns into a nice player (who isn't redundant with Noel and Okafor), and they sign some complementary role players.

Again, I want to be clear, I'm not saying that WILL happen.  But I think that having young players perceived as rising stars and winning some games can change the narrative around your franchise really quickly.  Suddenly nobody will be talking about the culture of losing.  I really think this is one area of sports where the way we talk about things is often the reverse of how it actually works.


The biggest difference between a team like the Sixers and a team like the Wolves, Kings, or Hornets, is that the Sixers, as an organization, have been totally in sync as far as what their goals are.  They've got a plan -- that has been talked about ad nauseum at this point by outside observers -- and they've stuck to it.  They're in lock step on that. 

What characterizes those other teams is that they seem to be changing their organizational plans from one year to the next.  They're constantly trying to find the solution that's going to turn things around RIGHT NOW.  The Sixers are patient. 

The Sixers have also seemed to completely disregard the importance of the "human factor" in this.  It'll be really interesting to see if that prevents them from getting past their current phase without a bunch of people getting fired, or if they can actually transition from a naked, dispassionate "asset acquisition" phase to a "let's actually build up a team now" phase.

[LarBrd33]

Woooooooooooooooo! Where Lbrrd hiding? It looks like it's going to be a baaaaaaaaaad year for him. Don't forget, he has Nets making playoffs and Marcus smart no better than Tony Allen.

I'm right here.  I already ate crow on Embiid.  Hard to get a proper read on the situation when the team was literally lying about certain aspects.  Here we are months later and it's still yet to be clarified if he actually rebroke his foot.. only speculation and rumor.  Weird situation all around.  I was giving him the benefit of the doubt, because all public information coming from the 76ers suggested that he just hadn't "healed fully" yet.   If you read any legitimate source at the time, you would come to the conclusion that they wanted to wait until the tissue around the bone filled in.  Well, turns out he needs a bone graft... which either means they were comfortable with how stable the tissue/bone was after healing or it means he broke it.  Nonetheless, how can you blame anyone for being unclear when there is confirmed reports that the guy was walking around without a boot, running and dunking even after all this speculation started?     

Bummer of a situation.  I would have liked to see that kid play.


Side Note:  I'm figure the Brooklyn pick falls 12-17.  That doesn't necessarily mean playoffs.  And the jury is still out on Marcus Smart.  I think he's the closest thing Boston has to a 'star prospect", but I'm not counting on him getting there.

[BudweiserCeltic]

If what you're saying is true, then Sacremento shouldn't suck with all the first round picks they've had.

Arguably, they've made a lot of bad picks.  Draft picks are only as valuable as you make them.

The Kings have also done a poor job developing the players they do pick, and they keep swapping out coaches CONSTANTLY instead of sticking with one guy and letting him put a system in place and develop a group of players he knows and likes.

I'm not equating talent with first round picks.  Those picks have to pan out, and as an organization you have to not let the talent get totally wasted.

It's possible that the out-and-out losing, and the general attitude that the Sixers have no interest in trying to be good, will make it a lot harder for the Sixers to actually get something out of the talented players they do get in the draft.

Still, I think the Sixers have a decent coach, and they've got at least one, probably two high level big man prospects on the roster already.  They're not THAT far away from being a decent team if Noel and Okafor have a really nice season, they get another top 10 pick that turns into a nice player (who isn't redundant with Noel and Okafor), and they sign some complementary role players.

Again, I want to be clear, I'm not saying that WILL happen.  But I think that having young players perceived as rising stars and winning some games can change the narrative around your franchise really quickly.  Suddenly nobody will be talking about the culture of losing.  I really think this is one area of sports where the way we talk about things is often the reverse of how it actually works.


The biggest difference between a team like the Sixers and a team like the Wolves, Kings, or Hornets, is that the Sixers, as an organization, have been totally in sync as far as what their goals are.  They've got a plan -- that has been talked about ad nauseum at this point by outside observers -- and they've stuck to it.  They're in lock step on that. 

What characterizes those other teams is that they seem to be changing their organizational plans from one year to the next.  They're constantly trying to find the solution that's going to turn things around RIGHT NOW.  The Sixers are patient. 

The Sixers have also seemed to completely disregard the importance of the "human factor" in this.  It'll be really interesting to see if that prevents them from getting past their current phase without a bunch of people getting fired, or if they can actually transition from a naked, dispassionate "asset acquisition" phase to a "let's actually build up a team now" phase.

I don't think the Kings' drafting has been particularly bad, I'd say just the opposite. They've drafted quite solidly historically with a few misses here and there.

Their main problem has been having a functional front office to stabilize the team talent, which for one reason or another have had problem playing cohesively.

But yeah, I haven't seen anything particularly glaring in their draft choices other than a miss here and there, which happens to everyone.

[cltc5]

You'll find it's smart to get guys in the draft that have a bit of edge to them than someone with potential talent. Give me  someone with a chip on their shoulder not someone that's had something g bestowed on them

[GreenFaith1819]

I just get the impression that "IF" we had drafted him things would've turned out different for him - JMO.

I have a lot of respect for Philly, nostalgia and all - but I question the moves they've made over the last couple of years.

I still believe he's a top talent....he just may never reach that potential in Philly, though.