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Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2015, 01:12:15 PM »

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Pre ACL tear Tim Hardaway was arguably the best court-to-court player in the league, as far as his command over his body and what he was able to do with the ball in transition. edit: in terms of handling the ball, before anyone gleefully misconstrues that.

I don't think that's a fair comparison to Smart, although I also think of Penny when you say "Classic Hardaway Game from 1996"

Court-to-court?  I'm not sure what that means.  But you're right in that Tim put up some monster seasons, especially in '92 & '93 when he was putting up 22+ ppg and 10+ apg.  I don't think Marcus will ever peak quite that high.

What I was trying to illustrate though, was that players with his playstyle have succeeded and become stars in the NBA.  I think a lot of fans are having trouble visualizing what that would look like with Marcus.  I think Tim Hardaway is a pretty good representation of that.

Yeah I get that, and I agree, but I mostly mean that I don't forsee Smart flourishing the same way Hardaway was able to in a Run-TMC style system (meant to type end-to-end... came out with court to court. Synapses misfiring), and that's especially indicative of the way Hardaway was able to go full speed and go into a crossover without slowing down, which really set him apart at the time -- and still does to this day among the pantheon of guards with great handles.
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Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2015, 01:12:15 PM »

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No. But possibly All-Star. Pierce was never a Superstar but he was an All-star player who could raise him game certain nights. That is what I hope Marcus can do. At the very least I think he can make it to be between Lewis and Pierce in terms of game impact.

Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2015, 01:13:26 PM »

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No. But possibly All-Star. Pierce was never a Superstar but he was an All-star player who could raise him game certain nights. That is what I hope Marcus can do. At the very least I think he can make it to be between Lewis and Pierce in terms of game impact.

we need to find him a KG and a Ray Allen then  ;D

Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2015, 01:17:05 PM »

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Given that Smart is more of a SG, I don't think he has the traits of a typical superstar at the SG position. Superstar SGs don't pass the ball, take 20+ shots a game and don't play defense. Here are some examples: Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, James Harden.

Smart won't take that many shots, will pass the ball and he truly plays defense. He'll be a great player, and an underappreciated one, but he won't do the things that make fans and the media say "That's a Superstar right there!"

Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2015, 01:21:28 PM »

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Maybe not Super

But I think we will make the All Star team at least once in his life .....which is more than any of US will ever do..

Exum looks like a kid, a kinda plump kid  ....he looks Paul Piece like fatty body .....he has skills , but Marcus is a Man ....Exum is a BOY....
 
Exum is a bit soft , too quiet to be much of leader .

Marcus is everything Exum can not be.

Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2015, 01:24:51 PM »

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Smart won't take that many shots, will pass the ball and he truly plays defense. He'll be a great player, and an underappreciated one, but he won't do the things that make fans and the media say "That's a Superstar right there!"

Kind of sounds like you're just saying he's a PG.

Trust me, I was on the "Smart is a SG" wagon for a while but I think the guy is a PG.  He is proving he is capable of that.
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Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2015, 01:25:22 PM »

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maybe he is the reincarnation of chauncey billups and we keep him this time ;)

Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2015, 01:26:28 PM »

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Given that Smart is more of a SG, I don't think he has the traits of a typical superstar at the SG position. Superstar SGs don't pass the ball, take 20+ shots a game and don't play defense. Here are some examples: Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, James Harden.

Smart won't take that many shots, will pass the ball and he truly plays defense. He'll be a great player, and an underappreciated one, but he won't do the things that make fans and the media say "That's a Superstar right there!"

Smart will be Boston's next superstar but as GreenCoffeeBean said he won't be accepted by the NBA and national media because he isn't a chucker with weak defense.

Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #38 on: July 10, 2015, 01:28:37 PM »

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No. But possibly All-Star. Pierce was never a Superstar but he was an All-star player who could raise him game certain nights. That is what I hope Marcus can do. At the very least I think he can make it to be between Lewis and Pierce in terms of game impact.

What.

I don't understand how anyone can ever say Pierce was and never ever been considered a superstar.

Paul Pierce career averages are 20.7 PPG, 3.7 APG, and 5.8 RPG.

That isn't superstar numbers to you? If he didn't have such a bad team, Pierce would've definitely have had a lot more success.

Also the crazy thing is Pierce has NEVER ever been an Allstar starter, which is very disrespectful to Pierce.

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One player conspicuously absent from that list is Paul Pierce, who never finished higher than seventh in MVP voting. Pierce has always been underappreciated, even in his prime when he averaged 25 points, seven rebounds and four assists while missing only eight games during a six-year stretch. He made 10 All-Star appearances without ever being voted in as a starter and was never a first-team All-NBA player.

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From the beginning, Pierce was never a pretty player. His game was based on skill as much as style, his athleticism masked by a brawny body that was more brute force than cut stone. Despite his gaudy stats, Pierce never cracked the top 10 in MVP voting during those prime seasons from 2000-2006. His Celtics teams were often decent, but never great. They made the playoffs four times in that span, reaching the conference finals once and the second round on one other occasion. Those years would barely be a footnote in their distinguished history if not for Pierce.

"I'm the classic case of a great player on a bad team," he said famously, which would have served as his NBA epitaph if not for the dramatic series of events that unfolded next. Garnett arrived shortly thereafter along with Ray Allen, and Pierce finally had the help he'd been craving for years.

It was then that we came to understand Pierce's genius as a player. Freed from the burden of carrying mediocre teammates, Pierce's game took shape in a remarkable second act. His scoring went down, but his shooting went up. His playmaking, long an underappreciated talent, became the backbone of the Celtics' half-court sets. His defense, which had been maligned, turned into yet another strength.

"When you play on bad defensive teams, you get labeled as a bad defender," Pierce said back then, delivering yet another line that went right to the heart of the matter.

People compare Pierce to Melo, which I kind of disagree. There are definitely a lot of similarities, but I would surmise that Melo has had more gifted physical traits and athleticism during his beginning years in the NBA. Pierce has relied more on skill, crafty scoring, and patient offense built around iso, stepbacks, elbow jumpers, and an arsenal of creative finishes.

Pierce has been one of the most underrated superstars of our era. I mean when people mention the greats of our era, you instantaneously think of Dirk, KG, Allen, Kobe, Wade, etc. But rarely do people besides the exception of Celtic fans, does Pierce ever get mentioned in the same sentence, nonetheless the same breath.

Finally, without Pierce on the 07-08 team, I don't think we would've won. Yes, Garnett and Allen were extremely vital, but Pierce was the main go to scorer, and a testament to how gracefully, Pierce has aged.

Pierce has singelhandely destroyed the Raptors on the Nets and on the Wizards, especially when the Wizards were struggling inherently. Pierce called game, and there's the reason why Shaq once grabbed a reporter to say,

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Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #39 on: July 10, 2015, 01:30:46 PM »

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Smart  = kg of 2010-2012. But guard version.  Just get the job done in many areas but might not be able to carry you consistently. Single handedly take over the game

We will see


Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #40 on: July 10, 2015, 01:33:54 PM »

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Given that Smart is more of a SG, I don't think he has the traits of a typical superstar at the SG position. Superstar SGs don't pass the ball, take 20+ shots a game and don't play defense. Here are some examples: Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, James Harden.

Smart won't take that many shots, will pass the ball and he truly plays defense. He'll be a great player, and an underappreciated one, but he won't do the things that make fans and the media say "That's a Superstar right there!"

Smart will be Boston's next superstar but as GreenCoffeeBean said he won't be accepted by the NBA and national media because he isn't a chucker with weak defense.

Smart coming out of high school was rated the number one top shooting guard prospect.

Do I think hes better at the 2? No.

I think Smart is a quick learner, so hes learning on the fly how to operate and plan out the offense. He may not be the best passer, but he has surprised a few with a no look pass, transition lobs, and the ability to pass without making dumb turnovers.

Smart has the potential to be a PG, but right now he still needs some more time.

I actually think Smart could be deemed a superstar on the Celtics by the media, especially since he seems like a really funny and likable guy to market.

His scavenger hunt, NBA rookies, and a few ads are a testament to his ability to market and brand himself. Smart may never be the type of superstar that scores 20+, but like Rondo, there will be question marks and discussions about if Smart is and can become one.

Smart  = kg of 2010-2012. But guard version.  Just get the job done in many areas but might not be able to carry you consistently. Single handedly take over the game

We will see

Smart reminds me of a Draymond Green if he was 4 inches shorter. He won't explode and surprise anyone with 30 pts, but he'll do the dirty work, and bring in leadership plus toughness and intangibles.
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Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #41 on: July 10, 2015, 01:36:33 PM »

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Yes.

Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #42 on: July 10, 2015, 01:45:12 PM »

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Semantics 101

What do you consider a superstar? A star? A non-star?

As I see the terms, we only have a handful of superstars in the league, i.e. James, Durant, AD, Harden, etc.,; whereas, there are quite a few more stars in the league, i.e. Irving, Love, Gasol, etc.

I don't think he'll ever be a superstar, but I definitely think he'll be a star with one or more All-Star appearances.
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Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #43 on: July 10, 2015, 01:46:40 PM »

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I think in the celtics system a superstar is someone who efficiently can fill up a box score and score points and be clutch player and  I think Smart will do that. Win championships.  I see Smart as being one of the best guards in the NBA.

That will be arguable, but I think Smart is going to be the best guard in the NBA. I would not trade him for anyone.

Re: Yes or No? Marcus Smart Our Next Superstar?
« Reply #44 on: July 10, 2015, 01:50:29 PM »

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Smart can be a superstar is the same manner Rodman was a superstar, at the very least. His effort is unmatched. He is THE HUSTLER. Get used to this.