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Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #240 on: July 07, 2015, 05:03:11 PM »

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Bottle rockets!

LOL.

David Lee can play Center and PF.  At Center, he doesn't block shots, but can clean up the glass. Stretch opposing centers out to the key and the corner.  Better than Zeller, he actually makes tradingany combination: Zeller/Sully/Jerebenko/K.O. possible since he can play both the 5 and the 4.
He is a stretch 5!  Which I'm sure makes Brad Stevens giddy. 

Bottle rockets you say!  Indeed! But expect a few M40s and cherrybombs to follow!

Now all we need is a scoring wing!  Where is Paul Pierce when you need him.
Ah Gerald Green will do.

TP! I didn't finish all 16 pages. But Lee is more of an undersized C than anything else IMO. He could look pretty good next to Amir if you ask me. Plus with that scoring MAYBE we don't have to keep playing Turner at 3. Smart/Bradley/Crowder/Johnson/Lee ? Put DLee next to 4 good defenders.


Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #241 on: July 07, 2015, 05:03:15 PM »

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Wouldn't be surprised if Ainge just swapped one expiring contract for a larger one with the thought that maybe Lee can earn a starting spot, put up nice numbers, and convince a playoff team desperate for productive big men to trade for him mid-season.

Hmmm….yeah hi, Celtics fan here who would like to keep Lee and make the playoffs, not pave the way for another team to take our playoff spot.

Nice to meet you!

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #242 on: July 07, 2015, 05:04:00 PM »

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This is why DA is smart.  He could have paid a free agent a long term contract at big money. He got 2 short term ones and got rid of Gerald Wallace.

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #243 on: July 07, 2015, 05:04:17 PM »

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A player who's consistent and a scoring threat. Awesome sauce! Love to have David Lee. I understand we still have a log jam of PF's, but it doesn't hurt adding a very talented player to the squad.

So much better for the fan s , than paying all that money to Wallace to watch from the bench ......at least Lee should see the court ... Woo hoo !

Yes. David Lee is a very good player. Defense has holes, sure, but expect atlwat 18 and 8 every night, gives great attitude and and very unselfish with the ball, which fits our gunner guards. I'd take him over ANY PF we have right now. And he's expiring.

That's EXACLTY better than having Wallace sit on the bench. Lee will atleast command respect from defenses. He may not have the same efficiency numbers with us as he may be asked to carry a bit .ore of an offensive load, but expect consistent effort night in and night out.

I love this move.

Me too! .....I'm only half mad a Danny now.

If he trades for Nerlins .....I forgive him ...LOL

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #244 on: July 07, 2015, 05:04:26 PM »

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What are the other options, though?

Commit to the youth movement and don't make moves unless they make sense in the context of improving the team over the next 4-5 years as opposed to the short term.

Don't depend on the stupidity or bad luck of other teams to make acquiring a star player possible.

Look to consolidate assets rather than continuing to proliferate lesser ones.


Hey, that's just my philosophy.  Clearly it's not Danny's.  We'll see how this all works out.  I'm gonna go ahead and doubt / naysay in the meantime.


This off-season so far feels like it's been driven at least in part by a desire to appease fans who got excited by the miracle run to the playoffs and would be crestfallen if the team fell back into the lottery pack.

I don't see it the same way. Ainge has improved the present roster without sacrificing much (any?) future flexibility. He's done little to jeopardize team chemistry, or gambled on bad eggs for the sake of talent.

There's still no franchise cornerstone, and that's a fair point. In the meantime, the roster stays competitive (if there's one thing we've learned this offseason, it's that free agents also care about winning as well as money), with plenty of assets to facilitate future improvement.

Exactly.  Continuity.  And has added Lee, Amir, and the draft picks.

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #245 on: July 07, 2015, 05:04:27 PM »

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Yes!
 
A player who's consistent and a scoring threat. Awesome sauce! Love to have David Lee. I understand we still have a log jam of PF's, but it doesn't hurt adding a very talented player to the squad.

So much better for the fan s , than paying all that money to Wallace to watch from the bench ......at least Lee should see the court ... Woo hoo !

Yes. David Lee is a very good player. Defense has holes, sure, but expect atlwat 18 and 8 every night, gives great attitude and and very unselfish with the ball, which fits our gunner guards. I'd take him over ANY PF we have right now. And he's expiring.

That's EXACLTY better than having Wallace sit on the bench. Lee will atleast command respect from defenses. He may not have the same efficiency numbers with us as he may be asked to carry a bit .ore of an offensive load, but expect consistent effort night in and night out.

I love this move.

Me too! .....I'm only half mad a Danny now.

If he trades for Nerlins .....I forgive him ...LOL

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #246 on: July 07, 2015, 05:04:51 PM »

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Does this mean less PT for Sully?

Hopefully.

Oh by the way, thanks for the insult on the other thread I started the other day

Much appreciated.

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #247 on: July 07, 2015, 05:06:07 PM »

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It seems like it is just for Wallace. Will improve the team now and not mess with any future financial flexibility.

I'm curious who gets squeezed in the rotation. They won't be able to play Lee, Olynyk, Sully, Zeller and Johnson. Especially because they like to go small with Crowder at the 4 a lot.

I thought we would finally give Olynyk, and Sully a chance to get heavy minutes but it looks like we might start Lee and Johnson instead this year.



Fine by me!

I am all about giving the minutes to Lee and Amir and giving Sully and Olynyk the boot.

Agreed.  More excited about Amir now because lee will cover some of his deficiencies.

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #248 on: July 07, 2015, 05:06:15 PM »

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Now trade ET and AB ...for good wing

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #249 on: July 07, 2015, 05:06:26 PM »

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Yes!
 
A player who's consistent and a scoring threat. Awesome sauce! Love to have David Lee. I understand we still have a log jam of PF's, but it doesn't hurt adding a very talented player to the squad.

So much better for the fan s , than paying all that money to Wallace to watch from the bench ......at least Lee should see the court ... Woo hoo !

Yes. David Lee is a very good player. Defense has holes, sure, but expect atlwat 18 and 8 every night, gives great attitude and and very unselfish with the ball, which fits our gunner guards. I'd take him over ANY PF we have right now. And he's expiring.

That's EXACLTY better than having Wallace sit on the bench. Lee will atleast command respect from defenses. He may not have the same efficiency numbers with us as he may be asked to carry a bit .ore of an offensive load, but expect consistent effort night in and night out.

I love this move.

Me too! .....I'm only half mad a Danny now.

If he trades for Nerlins .....I forgive him ...LOL

If that happens I would never doubt him ever again.

We are literally a rim protector away from being a 45 win team in the East. I hope Sully and KO all g with some of our licks can fetch something.
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Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #250 on: July 07, 2015, 05:06:26 PM »

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dumb move in my opinion.
As i stated in the blog both players are well past their prime, I don't see Lee contributing to any additional wins.
Wallace was turning into a great mentor/coach to the young guys.. It was clear they listened to what he had to say. That alone makes me feel that Wallace is worth more than Lee to this team at this point.

Yeah I am actually upset we're losing Wallace.  We have a ton of young guys and he's the perfect mentor.  I hope GS just buys him out and we hire him as an assistant coach.

So you're more upset about losing a crappy player who was getting NO minutes to be a mentor to subpar young players than being happy about acquiring a good player to help us win games.

Okay?????????

 ???

If someone doesn't want the team making the playoffs, because they want the team in the lottery, they'd likely prefer Wallace over Lee.
I'd rather be in the lottery and I'd rather have Lee than Wallace.  Much better asset and better player.  Not sure he leads to all that many wins though, so I don't think he does much for the overall team.

Lee's a better player, and Lee's not going to sit.  Unless there's a quick flip, Lee is a bad addition for the 'tank' crew.


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Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #251 on: July 07, 2015, 05:06:43 PM »

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I absolutely loathe David Lee. Like, I can't even look at him. He just has those really creepy eyes that you just don't ever trust.

Having said that, If this is just for Wallace, it's at least a good video game trade.

Well at least the worst off-season of all time has somehow gotten worse.

Are there any more unathletic white guys we can add to our guard team?

What a ridiculous post.

Lee is a very good player and you don't like the trade because of Lee's eyes.

Sorry they're not dreamy enough for you.

Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #252 on: July 07, 2015, 05:08:03 PM »

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Did the folks that don't like this deal watch the NBA finals. GSW was pretty toast until Steve Kerr remembered that he had David Lee on the bench.

I like you better when you're ranting about Doc Rivers than when you try to talk basketball.

Kerr's game winning adjustment was taking out Bogut. Addition by Subtraction. The Cavaliers didn't have a big that was worth defending, so they didn't need a big who could defend.

I think you're right, but you're not going far enough—Bogut was completely inept on offense in the Finals, then Lee came in and was scoring at ease, and Cleveland was blindsided by it.

I really like this trade. As others have noted, Lee was still putting up really good point and rebound numbers just two seasons ago, was a great teammate last season in GS, was prepared when Kerr called on him in the Finals, and can have a much greater on-court impact at this point than Gerald Wallace (though I like Wallace and appreciate his work as a mentor to the younger guys). Plus, he's a better trade chip than Wallace.

It's true that Lee isn't a very good defender, but I think some people put too much emphasis on defense at the expense of scoring, like it's better to have good defenders who can't score than to have good scorers who can't defend. We all know that offense and defense are needed, and that a lineup of Smart, Bradley, Crowder/Turner, Sully/KO, and Johnson/Zeller is going to need to limit opponents to about 85 points a game, because they're going to have a lot of trouble scoring. For years, in fact, the Celtics have lacked consistent offensive punch, even when KG, Pierce, and Allen were here, but now this team has two legit offensive weapons in Lee and IT (maybe three if Rozier pans out) while still having quite a few good defenders—in other words, a better balance of offense and defense. I think this is a good thing.

I agree with those who think KO or Sully will be traded (I think it'll be Sully), maybe along with one or more of our guards, perhaps for a better wing option than Crowder or Turner. I've had high hopes for KO and Sully, but maybe they've been too high—I'm not sure either will reach all-star level. And since the ultimate goal is an NBA title—which requires multiple all-star-level players—why not use one or both of them to help get an all-star?

This team is too good for a top-5 pick, so it seems that the best course of action at this point is to sacrifice some youth development (involving players who probably aren't going to be all-stars, anyway) in exchange for another trip to the playoffs, hopefully with a .500-or-better record this time, to show the rest of the league that the Celtics are an attractive option—and if the team can showcase some young guys and/or expirings in the process, leading to trades for even better players, then that's a good thing.
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Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #253 on: July 07, 2015, 05:08:13 PM »

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Umm for those saying this is a bad move...

David Lee is a talented offensive player with defensive holes in his game, but will still provide 16/8. Those numbers were the same we've been waiting for a while from Sully. Yes Lee is old, but I would take someone that increases talent level, works hard, and actually has proven he can be a winner.

And all it takes is Gerald Wallace, who we were exploring for trades, and Lee has a higher expiring contract? Yes. Sign me up.

Lee would be a even better mentor than Wallace, and guess what? He's okay with coming here, instead of being disgruntled, and if Lee gets coached by Stevens, I can see this being a plus.
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Re: Celtics trade for David Lee
« Reply #254 on: July 07, 2015, 05:08:21 PM »

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Simple deal, moveable contract and Lee can contribute despite his minutes in GS. Always respected his toughness. Pairs nicely with Amir actually. I like it.

Right there with you!