Boston desperately need a franchise prospect ... That's not smart. I like smart though
So we should just hurriedly deal guys who aren't going to be franchise guys but could very well make an All-Star team for a guy that might have the potential to be a franchise guy?
Edit: ... but probably won't ever be, like Smart?
I had smart 8th on my board last year and he ended up worse than I thought he'd be. I like him a lot, but I give him up if we can get a franchise prospect.
You're the only one in the world who thinks any of that. And tell me this, if you had him 8th on your board (ha!) and he ended up 6th in All-Rookie voting, how in the hell did he end worse than you thought he'd be? Ridiculousness.
Heh... If you wouldn't trade smart for embiid or Jabari Parker right now, you're cray. So spare me his "6th in rookie voting" thing. I had him 8th on my board. I sAw him as an NBA ready guy who would average 15, 5 and 5 out of the gate, be a top 4 rookie, but long term others would surpass him. I was disappointed with his rookie campaign. Great defensive player though. I'd move him for someone with star potential.
You're so wrong, it's funny. Yes, he finished 6th in voting. Yes, Embiid and Parker were injured. However, Mirotic and Noel, two players that were not part of the 2014 draft, finished ahead of him!
TP. I've given up. He's never really given me a legit answer.
It's all good Larry Legend. You can like some Celtics now and again.
I like Smart. I hope we keep him. I think it's safe to say he'll develop into a Tony Allen type at worse. Maybe he'll be better. But if you're asking me if I'd move Tony Allen for the next Steph Curry or LaMarcus Aldridge, my answer is a resounding yes.
And what if you picked up the next Jonny Flynn or Tyrus Thomas?
Not all that keen on moving Smart for a guy his age unless we were to package him with a James Young or Kelly Olynyk for a stud like Jabari.
Look, I get that people here disagree with me, because Smart's our boy. But he averaged 7 points on 36% shooting and all the pre-draft hype was that the kid was one of the 3 most "NBA ready prospects" in the draft. All the stat projections I read about Smart suggested he'd be able to average at least 15 points on a depleated roster like Boston. He lacks explosiveness and speed. He's not a good shooter. He's not great with the ball. He's not much of a distributor. For a guy who most expected to be a NBA-ready leader, he proved to be an excepitonal defender, a mediocre 3-point shooter... and not much else. Who knows what he'll develop into, but it's not very encouraging. And with Thomas on board, it might make sense to move Smart if you're getting a better prospect... preferably a shooting guard with size who can shoot (I'd trade Smart for Russell) or, obviously... an elite big man prospect.
There were guys in the draft last year that were far more raw, but with potentially a higher ceiling (Gordon, Exum, Vonleh). All I've read about the Celtics was that they tried very hard to trade up to get Embiid... And that Smart vs Randle was a debate they agonized over. They saw Randle as having more skill. They liked Smart's attitude in spite of his lack of skill. They took Smart, because they thought he'd put in a lot of work and because he's a tough guy. He could get a lot better over time. But to say I wasn't disappointed in his lack of ability as a supposedly "NBA-Ready" player would be lying. He was exceptional on one end of the court and the other end was concerning.
Where the heck are you getting those projections from. O.o
15 points a game? Depleted (we were always deep at the guard rotations)
His NBA readiness had all to do with defense, nothing to do with offense... which he delivered on.
So, I think you might just have had a tad bit of the unrealistic expectations dosage.
I love that people around here like to pretend like I pull my "LarBrdisms" out of my butt. Like I just fabricate it for drama. If only I had a time machine, I could point out the people around here who thought Smart was going to be an impact offensive player immediately.
Luckily, Google is helpful in these situations. Google "Marcus Smart statistic projections", and you'll see several people who said that if Smart got the minutes (which he did after Rondo was traded), he had the capacity to be "the man" from day 1.
One such article:
http://www.rotowire.com/blog/marcus-smart-2014-rookie-projection/Not surprisingly, it brings up the Tyreke Evans thing I thought.
Evans and Smart are similar in size, build, and athleticism. Their statistical production in college was also very similar. According to Hickory High Similarity Scores, Evans was the second most similar player to Smart in their database.
It suggests Smart's best-case scenario would him averaging similar stats to Evans in year 1: 20.1 points, 5.8 assists, 5.3 rebounds, 1.5 steals, 46%/26%/75%
Worst-case scenario, it brings up Dion Waiters. Waiters averaged 15 points, 3 assists, 2.4 rebounds and 1 steal on 41%/31%/75% shooting
This isn't a "LarBrdism"... Plenty of people around the league and most media projected Smart to be one of the most NBA-Ready players in the draft. In-fact on Draft night, they flat out said he measured as THE most NBA ready guy... period. It was believed his ceiling was lower than a lot of the other prospects, but you'd be getting a solid player from day 1.
His rookie stats: 27mpg, 7.8 points, 3.1 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1.5 steals on 36%/33%/64% shooting
I, for one, was disappointed. If I told you a year ago that all of our tanking efforts would net us a guy who put up 27mpg, 7.8 points, 3.1 assists, 3.3 rebounds, 1.5 steals on 36%/33%/64% shooting... You'd be like, "hard pass". But he plays in Boston now... and so everyone acts like he's some golden nugget of a prospect. He isn't. His lack of explosiveness, ball handling and distribution ability was exposed in year 1. The concerns about him (using his size to bully smaller COllege players) was proven legitimate. He still might develop into something, but his rookie season was underwhelming. His "worst-case scenario", Dion Waiters, was arguably better as a rookie. I'd move Smart in the right deal. I prefer keeping him. He's an elite-level defensive player and at worst, he's probably going to be comparable to Tony Allen.
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