[Woj] George Karl actively pushing to trade Cousins.

[MJohnnyboy]

Here is the trade that could get it done

Sullinger
Bradley
Young
Olynk
Wallace (expiring)
Brooklyn 2016 pick

for

Cousins
Landry (two year deal and a bad contract)
6th pick 2015 draft

Works on trade checker

We could even offer exemptions rather than players and add/remove draft picks. But a deal like that could trump any lakers offer

We would get Cousins AND the sixth pick for that?!

[Rida]

We have a combination of Bradley, Sullinger, Young, Olynk and multiple first rounders and trade exemptions which would allow them to go after free agents this summer.

For people who believe that All-Star potential is important, #2 plus Randle has more All-Star potential than that package.  It's why the Celtics couldn't outbid the Cavs for Kevin Love.

Most likely scenario with that number #2 pick if they get it is to take Russell or Okafor

That leaves them with a team of

Russel, Mclemore, Gay, Randle, free agent C

or

FA PG, Mclemore, Gay, Randle, Okafor

That is a horrible team, and Randle coming off a major knee injury is hardly a coup.

Celtics could offer a much deeper and enticing package

[LooseCannon]

Here is the trade that could get it done

Sullinger
Bradley
Young
Olynk
Wallace (expiring)
Brooklyn 2016 pick

for

Cousins
Landry (two year deal and a bad contract)
6th pick 2015 draft

Works on trade checker

We could even offer exemptions rather than players and add/remove draft picks. But a deal like that could trump any lakers offer

If Cousins was trying to force his way to the Lakers and only the Lakers and the deal was Cousins, Landry, and #6 for #2, Randle, and Jordan Clarkson, who would want to get in on the deal and have the Lakers package go to Boston instead and Sullinger/Bradley/Young/Olynyk/Wallace/Brooklyn 2016 go to Sacramento?

[LooseCannon]

We have a combination of Bradley, Sullinger, Young, Olynk and multiple first rounders and trade exemptions which would allow them to go after free agents this summer.

For people who believe that All-Star potential is important, #2 plus Randle has more All-Star potential than that package.  It's why the Celtics couldn't outbid the Cavs for Kevin Love.

Most likely scenario with that number #2 pick if they get it is to take Russell or Okafor

That leaves them with a team of

Russel, Mclemore, Gay, Randle, free agent C

or

FA PG, Mclemore, Gay, Randle, Okafor

That is a horrible team, and Randle coming off a major knee injury is hardly a coup.

Celtics could offer a much deeper and enticing package

Your insistence on a pupu platter being a deep and enticing package is inconsistent with both the past history of trades and with common sense.

[Rida]

We have a combination of Bradley, Sullinger, Young, Olynk and multiple first rounders and trade exemptions which would allow them to go after free agents this summer.

For people who believe that All-Star potential is important, #2 plus Randle has more All-Star potential than that package.  It's why the Celtics couldn't outbid the Cavs for Kevin Love.

Most likely scenario with that number #2 pick if they get it is to take Russell or Okafor

That leaves them with a team of

Russel, Mclemore, Gay, Randle, free agent C

or

FA PG, Mclemore, Gay, Randle, Okafor

That is a horrible team, and Randle coming off a major knee injury is hardly a coup.

Celtics could offer a much deeper and enticing package

Your insistence on a pupu platter being a deep and enticing package is inconsistent with both the past history of trades and with common sense.

Let's revisit "history of blockbuster trades as you put it"

KG to Celtics

Delonte West, Gerald Green and theo Ratliff's expiring were parts of the KG deal

In the Melo to New York trade

The Knicks also got Chauncey Billups and Anthony Carter, and forwards Renaldo Balkman and Shelden Williams from Denver.

New York dealt forwards Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari, guard Raymond Felton and center Timofey Mozgov to the Nuggets.

New York also shipped centers Eddy Curry and Anthony Randolph to Minnesota for forward Corey Brewer. Denver acquired center Kosta Koufos from Minnesota, plus New York's first-round draft pick in 2014, second-round picks in 2012 and 2013 and cash.

Chris Paul to Clippers

Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman,  Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul. The Clippers will also receive two future second-round picks.



There are always plenty of moving parts in these type of deals, and as you see above the package i proposed, was similar to the deals that brought in Melo and Chris Paul referencing your "history of trades"

[Bucketgetter]

I was excited about this, but didn't let my hopes get up. We just can't offer as much as the Lakers or the Nuggets. Plus Vlade Divac used to be a laker, so you know he'll be willing to give them a steal. It will probably be something like Randle, Young, and #27 pick. This is going to be Pau Gasol all over again.

Are you kidding? Arguably the best young center in the league traded for scrubs to a team that has the #2 pick in the draft. There is no way the Kings trade Cousins to the Lakers without getting the Lakers #2, right?

You know I said the same thing about Gasol and Dwight Howard. I promise you, the lakers will be able to pull off some Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. like that, without giving up their top pieces. Obviously it's not a fair trade, but that's something the lakers would pull off.

[Endless Paradise]

I mean, you're actively ignoring that the centerpiece of that deal was Al Jefferson and that not a single one of the four players you included in your proposed package are even close to the level of player Jefferson was at the time of the KG trade.

[MJohnnyboy]

I really, REALLY hope Sacto isn't that incredibly stupid to trade Cousins for Faried, Lawson and the #7 pick. That rivals the Chris Paul deal in all-around atrocious. Except the Chris Paul deal at the time it was made had some logic behind it because Eric Gordon at the time was a hot commodity. Lawson nor Faried are anywhere near the value of Cousins.

My prediction is the Kings are gonna wait this out and see how good Okafor and Randle look together in the summer league and see then if they want to trade for them. I'm high on Randle though I do see everyone's point about his injury. The Kings can wait because they can afford to on those guys. If those guys are as good as advertised, then I see it being a done deal.

By the way, Okafor alone is better than anything the Celtics can offer. The Lakers can throw in Randle and Clarkson as sweetener if the Kings asked for them.

[Endless Paradise]

(also, the Wolves didn't trade the number 7 pick in addition to KG)

[Rida]

I mean, you're actively ignoring that the centerpiece of that deal was Al Jefferson and that not a single one of the four players you included in your proposed package are even close to the level of player Jefferson was at the time of the KG trade.

Didn't ignore it, was making the point that that there is more to trades than just the centerpiece, their are things like expiring contracts, exemptions and draft picks.

You also ignored the details of the Melo and Chris Paul trades

[MJohnnyboy]

We have a combination of Bradley, Sullinger, Young, Olynk and multiple first rounders and trade exemptions which would allow them to go after free agents this summer.

For people who believe that All-Star potential is important, #2 plus Randle has more All-Star potential than that package.  It's why the Celtics couldn't outbid the Cavs for Kevin Love.

Most likely scenario with that number #2 pick if they get it is to take Russell or Okafor

That leaves them with a team of

Russel, Mclemore, Gay, Randle, free agent C

or

FA PG, Mclemore, Gay, Randle, Okafor

That is a horrible team, and Randle coming off a major knee injury is hardly a coup.

Celtics could offer a much deeper and enticing package

Your insistence on a pupu platter being a deep and enticing package is inconsistent with both the past history of trades and with common sense.

Let's revisit "history of blockbuster trades as you put it"

KG to Celtics

Delonte West, Gerald Green and theo Ratliff's expiring were parts of the KG deal

In the Melo to New York trade

The Knicks also got Chauncey Billups and Anthony Carter, and forwards Renaldo Balkman and Shelden Williams from Denver.

New York dealt forwards Wilson Chandler and Danilo Gallinari, guard Raymond Felton and center Timofey Mozgov to the Nuggets.

New York also shipped centers Eddy Curry and Anthony Randolph to Minnesota for forward Corey Brewer. Denver acquired center Kosta Koufos from Minnesota, plus New York's first-round draft pick in 2014, second-round picks in 2012 and 2013 and cash.

Chris Paul to Clippers

Eric Gordon, Chris Kaman,  Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul. The Clippers will also receive two future second-round picks.



There are always plenty of moving parts in these type of deals, and as you see above the package i proposed, was similar to the deals that brought in Melo and Chris Paul

-Delonte West was in the Ray Allen deal.
-I will agree the teams who traded their superstars did not get good deals back, but compared to your hypothetical deal for Cousins, Denver got more proven players like Chandler, Gallinari, and Felton who at the time were all better than anything the Celtics could offer right now for Cousins. None of those guys have proven to be anything more than decent. And New Orleans got back Eric Gordon, who has been a bust, but at the time, he was a rising young stud in the NBA. People thought he was going to be a perennial all star.
-The Kings aren't listening to any offers from the Celtics unless the name "Marcus Smart" is put in there.

[get_banners]

I'd let this one go, folks. There is no way we can trump what LA can offer for Cousins. The pick this year is so much better than any single asset we have. If we somehow have a real shot at getting him, that means nobody else wants to pony up, and we're trading a handful of our future Nets picks. Even then, I think its unlikely to go down.

[crimson_stallion]

If Cousins was trying to force his way to the Lakers and only the Lakers and the deal was Cousins, Landry, and #6 for #2, Randle, and Jordan Clarkson, who would want to get in on the deal and have the Lakers package go to Boston instead and Sullinger/Bradley/Young/Olynyk/Wallace/Brooklyn 2016 go to Sacramento?

I have absolutely zero interest in acquiring either Randle or Clarkson.

Randle is 6'9" with a 7'0" wingspan - I checked draft express, and list of past guys (who you've actually heard of) who are listed at PF with similar measurements include:

* Markieff Morris
* Jabari Parker

If you expand that list to include guys who are 6'10" with 7'1" wingspan the list extends to include:

* Markieff Morris
* Jabari Parker
* Jared Sullinger
* Thomas Robinson

Now aside from Randle, the only other player on that list who DOESN'T have a jump shot is Thomas Robinson. 

Considering that Thomas Robinson is infinitely more athletic than Randle and STILL hasn't managed to play more than 20 MPG for any team...that doesn't bode well for Randle.

Fact is, Randle is undersized, he can't shoot, he can't pass, he can't defend, and his inside game (the one thing he actually DID do well in college) depended entirely on brute strength advantage...which he won't have in the NBA.

He's going to be bad...really bad.  Pass on that. 

Clarkson is a relatively big combo guard with some PG skills who is inefficient offensively (he scores points by being a volume chucker on a bad team) and who is horrendous defensively (he had the 4th worst Defensive RPM last year among all NBA Point Guards).  Jordan Crawford is his ceiling, Marshon Brooks is his floor.

Both of these guys are going to be shocking players who after one or two years) will be practically untradeable...so part (lets say, 40%) of the #2 pick wold be would simply be payment for taking this garbage off the Laker's hands.

Giving up Bradley, Sully and #16 is more than enough to make up the remaining 60% of the value of that #2 pick.

So Bradley +  Sully + #16 to the Lakers in return for Randle + Clarkson + #2 is what I'm offering, and the Lakers had better take it and smile.

[LooseCannon]

If Cousins was trying to force his way to the Lakers and only the Lakers and the deal was Cousins, Landry, and #6 for #2, Randle, and Jordan Clarkson, who would want to get in on the deal and have the Lakers package go to Boston instead and Sullinger/Bradley/Young/Olynyk/Wallace/Brooklyn 2016 go to Sacramento?

I have absolutely zero interest in acquiring either Randle or Clarkson.

Randle is 6'9" with a 7'0" wingspan - I checked draft express, and list of past guys (who you've actually heard of) who are listed at PF with similar measurements include:

* Markieff Morris
* Jabari Parker

If you expand that list to include guys who are 6'10" with 7'1" wingspan the list extends to include:

* Markieff Morris
* Jabari Parker
* Jared Sullinger
* Thomas Robinson

Now aside from Randle, the only other player on that list who DOESN'T have a jump shot is Thomas Robinson. 

Considering that Thomas Robinson is infinitely more athletic than Randle and STILL hasn't managed to play more than 20 MPG for any team...that doesn't bode well for Randle.

Fact is, Randle is undersized, he can't shoot, he can't pass, he can't defend, and his inside game (the one thing he actually DID do well in college) depended entirely on brute strength advantage...which he won't have in the NBA.

He's going to be bad...really bad.  Pass on that. 

Clarkson is a relatively big combo guard with some PG skills who is inefficient offensively (he scores points by being a volume chucker on a bad team) and who is horrendous defensively (he had the 4th worst Defensive RPM last year among all NBA Point Guards).  Jordan Crawford is his ceiling, Marshon Brooks is his floor.

Both of these guys are going to be shocking players who after one or two years) will be practically untradeable...so part (lets say, 40%) of the #2 pick wold be would simply be payment for taking this garbage off the Laker's hands.

Giving up Bradley, Sully and #16 is more than enough to make up the remaining 60% of the value of that #2 pick.

So Bradley +  Sully + #16 to the Lakers in return for Randle + Clarkson + #2 is what I'm offering, and the Lakers had better take it and smile.

If you think Randle and Clarkson have negative value, what would you give up for just #2, leaving the other pieces with the Lakers?  By your math, you should be willing to throw in assets that are worth 2/3 of Bradley/Sullinger/#16.

[LGC88]

You are all focusing of what would be the better deal for Sacramento, but totally ignoring what Sacramento really wants.