Knicks work out Mid 1st rd prospects, could C's be selecting for them?

[86MaxwellSmart]

Being able to sign 2 Max players by clearing salary would be Danny's main motive--and he also would be able to draft a top talent---it would be brilliant....If we could add LMA and K.Love + one of Russell/Winslow/WCS....Who cares about giving up Sullinger and Bradley--?

[danglertx]

Being able to sign 2 Max players by clearing salary would be Danny's main motive--and he also would be able to draft a top talent---it would be brilliant....If we could add LMA and K.Love + one of Russell/Winslow/WCS....Who cares about giving up Sullinger and Bradley--?

If Ainge knows we are getting two free agents, be it LMA and Mathews or Love and someone else, I am all for moving up to draft a player if it clears space we need.  However, cashing in vets and getting prospects back isn't usually a recipe for attracting free agents.

[Celtics4ever]

Sullinger can't play NBA level defense, and I doubt if he will be able even if he gets in shape.   His combine athletic scores were abysmal.  We gambled, he is a solid bench guy, who can't guard starting four or will require a full time defensive specialist to shore up his D.   Not exactly the kind of talent you build around.

[loco_91]

I think that would be fair for all involved. For us it would mean an extended rebuild, of course, which nobody is thrilled about. But it could be well worth it for Winslow especially, who is an elite prospect.

[slamtheking]

seems like overpayment to get a draft pick that's anything but a sure thing. 

[YeezusChrist]

These deals hinge on us getting some of the Top free agents by attracting them with an unproven rookie instead of a proven specialist and role player.
I dont think we should trade either guy just yet especially for the 8th or 4th pick which would be Johnson (overated offensively and defensively... inconsistent shot, forces shots, doesn't look to pass and falls asleep on defense constantly) or Porzingis (not enough info to see his eventual ceiling)

[Future Celtics Owner]

Sullinger can't play NBA level defense, and I doubt if he will be able even if he gets in shape.   His combine athletic scores were abysmal.  We gambled, he is a solid bench guy, who can't guard starting four or will require a full time defensive specialist to shore up his D.   Not exactly the kind of talent you build around.

I don't think his combine was that bad. He had the same body fat that Marcus Smart had at his combine. He also jumped 30 inches no step and 31 max, which is better than KO and at a younger age. Unfortunately, I think thats the best condition he's been since we drafted him.

I thought after the surgery was a complete success that Sully would lose that extra weight and become a legit conditioned athlete......nope.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I think if your end game is the 4th pick then you trade for the 4th pick. This way you save more assets.

How about instead of giving up all those assets you include Isiaih Thomas in the deal. With Marcus coming back from a promising rookie season and James Young needing minutes it may be better long term. And we would be selling high on him.

IT and we take back Jose Calderon's contract for 2 years is a great foundation for the trade.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I have a question about the Stepien Rule Tommy Point to anyone that helps.

So lets say the OP is true about the Celts trading for the 4th pick. So heres my question ....

Best case scenario is that one of the consensus top 3 picks drop. To keep from having to give up more in this instance is there any way we can get the NY pick before it is known that someone dropped?

Because of the rule IDK if it is possible for us to wait for the draft to start and execute the trade before the first or second pick....preferably first.

[hpantazo]

I have a question about the Stepien Rule Tommy Point to anyone that helps.

So lets say the OP is true about the Celts trading for the 4th pick. So heres my question ....

Best case scenario is that one of the consensus top 3 picks drop. To keep from having to give up more in this instance is there any way we can get the NY pick before it is known that someone dropped?

Because of the rule IDK if it is possible for us to wait for the draft to start and execute the trade before the first or second pick....preferably first.

I don't think that is legal under the rule, as the Knicks would then violate the rule. They can move whoever they pick at #4 even if they are picking for us, but the move would have to be made after they use the pick. It doesnt matter though, because the Knicks won't trade #4 if Russell or Okafor are there.

[Denis998]

I have a question about the Stepien Rule Tommy Point to anyone that helps.

So lets say the OP is true about the Celts trading for the 4th pick. So heres my question ....

Best case scenario is that one of the consensus top 3 picks drop. To keep from having to give up more in this instance is there any way we can get the NY pick before it is known that someone dropped?

Because of the rule IDK if it is possible for us to wait for the draft to start and execute the trade before the first or second pick....preferably first.

The only way I think they can trade they pick is if they do the "Right to Swap" type of deal that Boston and Brooklyn did. I think it is too late for that though. I think the Knicks will be working through the assumption that they will trade the pick unless a top 3 on their board drops to 4th pick.

[tazzmaniac]

I have a question about the Stepien Rule Tommy Point to anyone that helps.

So lets say the OP is true about the Celts trading for the 4th pick. So heres my question ....

Best case scenario is that one of the consensus top 3 picks drop. To keep from having to give up more in this instance is there any way we can get the NY pick before it is known that someone dropped?

Because of the rule IDK if it is possible for us to wait for the draft to start and execute the trade before the first or second pick....preferably first.

The OP proposal has us trading them AB plus the #8 for the #4.  Since they are getting a 1st back, the Stepian Rule wouldn't apply.  However there is no way that NY would trade the pick before knowing who was taken with the 1st 3 picks.  They aren't going to trade that pick if Towns, Okafor or Russell is still available. 

[Future Celtics Owner]

Thanks for chiming in. I gave all of the tp's.

It would make much more sense for us to trade for the 4th pick and have a chance at one of the top 3 dropping to us. I wish that was something we could do.

Thanks again everyone, I'll keep checking in to see if others have another answer.

[LarBrd33]

Giving up #16, #28, Avery Bradley, and Sully for pick #4 in a three deep draft seems kind of insane to me.  If we want Turner, which I'm not sure we do, then we'd just stay at 8.  If we get to #4 we aren't taking  Turner.

Either we are praying one of Towns, Okafor, or Russell slip to 4 or we would stay at #8 and probably take Turner,  WCS, Winslow, or Hezonja, one of which would almost surely be available.

Maybe we are trying to land two top 10 picks.

Heh... we aren't getting #4.  If we do get #4, we should package it with Smart and a bunch of other picks to try to land Cousins.

[Csfan1984]

Giving up #16, #28, Avery Bradley, and Sully for pick #4 in a three deep draft seems kind of insane to me.  If we want Turner, which I'm not sure we do, then we'd just stay at 8.  If we get to #4 we aren't taking  Turner.

Either we are praying one of Towns, Okafor, or Russell slip to 4 or we would stay at #8 and probably take Turner,  WCS, Winslow, or Hezonja, one of which would almost surely be available.

Maybe we are trying to land two top 10 picks.

Heh... we aren't getting #4.  If we do get #4, we should package it with Smart and a bunch of other picks to try to land Cousins.

But then there is no roster left. It would be the Kings.