Knicks work out Mid 1st rd prospects, could C's be selecting for them?

[csfansince60s]

I have a question about the Stepien Rule Tommy Point to anyone that helps.

So lets say the OP is true about the Celts trading for the 4th pick. So heres my question ....

Best case scenario is that one of the consensus top 3 picks drop. To keep from having to give up more in this instance is there any way we can get the NY pick before it is known that someone dropped?

Because of the rule IDK if it is possible for us to wait for the draft to start and execute the trade before the first or second pick....preferably first.

If the Knicks get a first round pick back this year (be it 8 , 16, or even  28), I don't think the Stepien rule is violated.

I'm probably wrong, but just my take.

[Jonny CC]

If we get rid of Bradley AND get a top 4 pick out of it I would be ecstatic

Get "rid" of Bradley?

This whole thought train on Bradley has been getting pretty ridiculous.

The kid is a good player on a fair contract.

I agree that AB is a decent player and I wouldn't want to give him away, but I disagree that he's on a fair contract.  AB is overpaid. 

[LarBrd33]

Giving up #16, #28, Avery Bradley, and Sully for pick #4 in a three deep draft seems kind of insane to me.  If we want Turner, which I'm not sure we do, then we'd just stay at 8.  If we get to #4 we aren't taking  Turner.

Either we are praying one of Towns, Okafor, or Russell slip to 4 or we would stay at #8 and probably take Turner,  WCS, Winslow, or Hezonja, one of which would almost surely be available.

Maybe we are trying to land two top 10 picks.

Heh... we aren't getting #4.  If we do get #4, we should package it with Smart and a bunch of other picks to try to land Cousins.

But then there is no roster left. It would be the Kings.

Most of the guys on our roster are very replaceable.  If we had Cousins and cap space, we'd have a shot to build a real team here.

First Cousins... then sign a couple max dudes this summer... then sign another max dude next summer when the cap jumps 20 mil.  Then sign another max dude after that when the cap jumps another 20 mil.   5 Max Dudes... Boom.

Step 1 - Cousins
Step 2 - Aldridge and Wesley Matthews
Step 3 - Durant in 2016
Step 4 - Steph Curry in 2017

There you go:  PG - Curry, SG - Matthews, SF - Durant, PF - Aldridge C - Cousins

I bet that team makes the playoffs.

[Rondo9]

If we get rid of Bradley AND get a top 4 pick out of it I would be ecstatic

Get "rid" of Bradley?

This whole thought train on Bradley has been getting pretty ridiculous.

The kid is a good player on a fair contract.

I agree that AB is a decent player and I wouldn't want to give him away, but I disagree that he's on a fair contract.  AB is overpaid.

Once the cap rises, Bradley will be on one of the best contracts in the NBA.

[Csfan1984]

Giving up #16, #28, Avery Bradley, and Sully for pick #4 in a three deep draft seems kind of insane to me.  If we want Turner, which I'm not sure we do, then we'd just stay at 8.  If we get to #4 we aren't taking  Turner.

Either we are praying one of Towns, Okafor, or Russell slip to 4 or we would stay at #8 and probably take Turner,  WCS, Winslow, or Hezonja, one of which would almost surely be available.

Maybe we are trying to land two top 10 picks.

Heh... we aren't getting #4.  If we do get #4, we should package it with Smart and a bunch of other picks to try to land Cousins.

But then there is no roster left. It would be the Kings.

Most of the guys on our roster are very replaceable.  If we had Cousins and cap space, we'd have a shot to build a real team here.

First Cousins... then sign a couple max dudes this summer... then sign another max dude next summer when the cap jumps 20 mil.  Then sign another max dude after that when the cap jumps another 20 mil.   5 Max Dudes... Boom.

Step 1 - Cousins
Step 2 - Aldridge and Wesley Matthews
Step 3 - Durant in 2016
Step 4 - Steph Curry in 2017

There you go:  PG - Curry, SG - Matthews, SF - Durant, PF - Aldridge C - Cousins

I bet that team makes the playoffs.

Lol in a good way. Big dreaming always gets a TP.

[BDeCosta26]

If we get rid of Bradley AND get a top 4 pick out of it I would be ecstatic

Get "rid" of Bradley?

This whole thought train on Bradley has been getting pretty ridiculous.

The kid is a good player on a fair contract.

I agree that AB is a decent player and I wouldn't want to give him away, but I disagree that he's on a fair contract.  AB is overpaid.

Once the cap rises, Bradley will be on one of the best contracts in the NBA.

Absolutely. He's a good contract right now, and getting better. Just imagine if you out him in Dion Waiters place this year on the Thunder. I'd bet they make the playoffs with room to spare. Or on that Cavs team even, he woulda really added to that incredible D and could've actually hit some open shots for them. That's why when Lowe reported turned down offers of a late 1st and expirings for AB at the deadline, I thought of Cleveland with their 1st rounder and that Haywood contract.

Celtic fans want Bradley to be more than he is. I think it has something do with him playing a featured role he's not suited for. But at 8 million a year, he's a dang good player. And he has real value to a contender, especially at that price.

[Jferrari401]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

[Csfan1984]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

Another Golden state reference. You do realize that team has a ton of high pick players on their roster. They built through the draft and FA. Other than Green and Lee all their best players were high picks in the draft. Curry 7, Barnes7, Clay11, Bogut1, Iggy9, Livingston 4. They also moved some high picks to aquire certain players. You can't compare C's and Warriors build at all.

[Neurotic Guy]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

I'm with you on the patience, but I don't see the current roster as very promising.  The C's have assets that may be turned into better assets if packaged correctly.  Patience may yield high draft picks and maybe a top tier free agent (or 2). The Celtics eventually have to find a way to pick up stars.  If Danny can do it sooner than later -- great, but I am OK to wait.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

They also won because Kyrie and Love were out, remember them. The Cavs swept us because we have almost no talent, I mean our whole team is filled with role players on decent teams.
The only 2 people on our team that have a shot at being all stars are IT, Marcus Smart and James Young, maybe Sully one day but thats even pushing it.
We need to find our core first then worry about bench players, not the other way around.

Also whats wrong with selling high on IT and Avery Bradley? Teams covet their contracts and they are legit role players for competing teams......unfortunately for us they are the best on our team. Anyways I think it is pretty obvious that we need to upgrade our players and talent level.

[Csfan1984]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

They also won because Kyrie and Love were out, remember them. The Cavs swept us because we have almost no talent, I mean our whole team is filled with role players on decent teams.
The only 2 people on our team that have a shot at being all stars are IT, Marcus Smart and James Young, maybe Sully one day but thats even pushing it.
We need to find our core first then worry about bench players, not the other way around.

Also whats wrong with selling high on IT and Avery Bradley? Teams covet their contracts and they are legit role players for competing teams......unfortunately for us they are the best on our team. Anyways I think it is pretty obvious that we need to upgrade our players and talent level.

Exactly C's need fireworks or tank. Stars win in this league. Just ask the Hawks.

[Jferrari401]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

Another Golden state reference. You do realize that team has a ton of high pick players on their roster. They built through the draft and FA. Other than Green and Lee all their best players were high picks in the draft. Curry 7, Barnes7, Clay11, Bogut1, Iggy9, Livingston 4. They also moved some high picks to aquire certain players. You can't compare C's and Warriors build at all.

Well they didn't draft Bogut Iggy or Livingston, that's like counting Evan Turner as a high draft pick for the celtics. I'm not saying draft picks are bad, I just don't see the value in giving up proven players for draft picks outside of the top tier. We have also built through the draft in some ways. Smart, Sully, Bradley and Kelly were all picks. I'm not comparing the way that the two teams were built, I am pointing out that you need a deep team to win it all. There are a lot of talented teams who couldn't survive in the playoffs because they were forced to rely on bad players. The Celtics have a lot of good players on their team, cap space and plenty of future picks. Why rush is all I'm saying. You could compare our situation to the Knicks a few years back. They had lots of promising young players and cap space. Instead of playing it out they gave up Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov etc. for Melo, had a decent two year run and now they are the worst team in basketball.

[Jferrari401]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

They also won because Kyrie and Love were out, remember them. The Cavs swept us because we have almost no talent, I mean our whole team is filled with role players on decent teams.
The only 2 people on our team that have a shot at being all stars are IT, Marcus Smart and James Young, maybe Sully one day but thats even pushing it.
We need to find our core first then worry about bench players, not the other way around.

Also whats wrong with selling high on IT and Avery Bradley? Teams covet their contracts and they are legit role players for competing teams......unfortunately for us they are the best on our team. Anyways I think it is pretty obvious that we need to upgrade our players and talent level.

You are right, they did get aided a lot by injuries but I think it's wrong to say the Cavs swept us because we have no talent. They have the best player in world. Also I don't think Thomas gets nearly enough credit on this blog. He has done nothing but perform for his entire career, what's to make us think that will stop. Bradley isn't somebody who i'm completely sold on but I don't think trading him for the 11th pick or whatever people are saying is selling high. More likely than not that would turn into a player worse than Bradley. We definitely need to upgrade our talent but I think using our cap space is the best way to do that

[Csfan1984]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

Another Golden state reference. You do realize that team has a ton of high pick players on their roster. They built through the draft and FA. Other than Green and Lee all their best players were high picks in the draft. Curry 7, Barnes7, Clay11, Bogut1, Iggy9, Livingston 4. They also moved some high picks to aquire certain players. You can't compare C's and Warriors build at all.

Well they didn't draft Bogut Iggy or Livingston, that's like counting Evan Turner as a high draft pick for the celtics. I'm not saying draft picks are bad, I just don't see the value in giving up proven players for draft picks outside of the top tier. We have also built through the draft in some ways. Smart, Sully, Bradley and Kelly were all picks. I'm not comparing the way that the two teams were built, I am pointing out that you need a deep team to win it all. There are a lot of talented teams who couldn't survive in the playoffs because they were forced to rely on bad players. The Celtics have a lot of good players on their team, cap space and plenty of future picks. Why rush is all I'm saying. You could compare our situation to the Knicks a few years back. They had lots of promising young players and cap space. Instead of playing it out they gave up Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov etc. for Melo, had a decent two year run and now they are the worst team in basketball.

I do consider Turner a high talent. But he is comparable to Livingston. Warriors bottomed out like 5 years to build that deep team. No one wants to see C's bottom out even two years it's ridiculous because no team turns it around in two years it takes years of aquiring talent. Team needs luck in FA or keep flipping players till you hit big in the draft.

[Jferrari401]

I swear some people act like this is 2k. Why would we want to gut a promising team for draft picks who most likely will never turn out as good as the scouts expect. Trading Sully and Bradley seems premature but trading Smart and Isaiah is just insane. Although it may seem like our players are easily replaceable, just look at the Golden State Warriors. They won the championship because they had the deepest and most consistent team in the NBA. You don't get to that point by giving away players for draft picks and overpaying free agents. We have a solid young team and I think that we just need to be patient.

Another Golden state reference. You do realize that team has a ton of high pick players on their roster. They built through the draft and FA. Other than Green and Lee all their best players were high picks in the draft. Curry 7, Barnes7, Clay11, Bogut1, Iggy9, Livingston 4. They also moved some high picks to aquire certain players. You can't compare C's and Warriors build at all.

Well they didn't draft Bogut Iggy or Livingston, that's like counting Evan Turner as a high draft pick for the celtics. I'm not saying draft picks are bad, I just don't see the value in giving up proven players for draft picks outside of the top tier. We have also built through the draft in some ways. Smart, Sully, Bradley and Kelly were all picks. I'm not comparing the way that the two teams were built, I am pointing out that you need a deep team to win it all. There are a lot of talented teams who couldn't survive in the playoffs because they were forced to rely on bad players. The Celtics have a lot of good players on their team, cap space and plenty of future picks. Why rush is all I'm saying. You could compare our situation to the Knicks a few years back. They had lots of promising young players and cap space. Instead of playing it out they gave up Gallo, Chandler, Mozgov etc. for Melo, had a decent two year run and now they are the worst team in basketball.

I do consider Turner a high talent. But he is comparable to Livingston. Warriors bottomed out like 5 years to build that deep team. No one wants to see C's bottom out even two years it's ridiculous because no team turns it around in two years it takes years of aquiring talent. Team needs luck in FA or keep flipping players till you hit big in the draft.

I think bottoming out last year for Smart was the right move, and I think he will end up being a star. I think Turner is also very talented. I think the big difference between our rebuild and theirs is that we have Brooklyn to bottom out for us. Also to be clear if we traded up using our multitude of draft picks and maybe one less important player I would be perfectly happy. I just wouldn't give up a starter