Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot

[LarBrd33]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

As always, there are several levels to this debate.

1.  Literally anyone could do what Hinkie has done.  I could do it.  A ten year old could do it.  It doesn't take brains or wisdom or basketball knowledge.  It's the front office equivalent of flopping, trying to twist the rules to your advantage in a way that would damage the sport if everyone did it.

2.  Philly has now tanked for two straight years, both in-season and off-season, and it sure looks like a third is in the offing.  If all you've got for that is Noel and the #3 this year, a pick which some mock drafts have as Porzingis, that's horrible.

3.  I don't know what you mean by "foundational" when you use it to describe Noel.  Right now, the reasonable best case scenario for Noel is a more athletic Marcus Camby with better defense and less offense.  That would actually be a heck of a good player, but someone upon whom you build the "foundation" of a team?

Mike

Judging by Danny's actions over the past two seasons, tanking for phenom prospects is a lot harder than it seems.  Hinkie deserves credit for pulling it off.  Now we have to see how these kids perform long-term. Should be a fun team to watch heading forward.

And Ainge got his team back into the playoffs in the second year of a rebuild where he got rid of the four best veterans on his roster.  But somehow that's LESS impressive than what Hinkie has done?

Mike

Yeah, Ainge tried to tank and the team fell azz-backwards into a sub 500 playoff sweep.   Take both of these rosters as-is, sprinkle water on them and wait a couple years, I believe the 76ers are closer to contending.   

Free agency might impact both teams. But philly is closer to having a Superstar simply by having better prospects arguably with Superstar potential.

[tankcity!]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

As always, there are several levels to this debate.

1.  Literally anyone could do what Hinkie has done.  I could do it.  A ten year old could do it.  It doesn't take brains or wisdom or basketball knowledge.  It's the front office equivalent of flopping, trying to twist the rules to your advantage in a way that would damage the sport if everyone did it.

2.  Philly has now tanked for two straight years, both in-season and off-season, and it sure looks like a third is in the offing.  If all you've got for that is Noel and the #3 this year, a pick which some mock drafts have as Porzingis, that's horrible.

3.  I don't know what you mean by "foundational" when you use it to describe Noel.  Right now, the reasonable best case scenario for Noel is a more athletic Marcus Camby with better defense and less offense.  That would actually be a heck of a good player, but someone upon whom you build the "foundation" of a team?

Mike

Judging by Danny's actions over the past two seasons, tanking for phenom prospects is a lot harder than it seems.  Hinkie deserves credit for pulling it off.  Now we have to see how these kids perform long-term. Should be a fun team to watch heading forward.

And Ainge got his team back into the playoffs in the second year of a rebuild where he got rid of the four best veterans on his roster.  But somehow that's LESS impressive than what Hinkie has done?

Mike

Yeah, Ainge tried to tank and the team fell azz-backwards into a sub 500 playoff sweep.   Take both of these rosters as-is, sprinkle water on them and wait a couple years, I believe the 76ers are closer to contending.   

Free agency might impact both teams. But philly is closer to having a Superstar simply by having better prospects arguably with Superstar potential.

Gotta agree, Ainge tried to tank. He didn't' want to make the playoffs.

[Donoghus]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

As always, there are several levels to this debate.

1.  Literally anyone could do what Hinkie has done.  I could do it.  A ten year old could do it.  It doesn't take brains or wisdom or basketball knowledge.  It's the front office equivalent of flopping, trying to twist the rules to your advantage in a way that would damage the sport if everyone did it.

2.  Philly has now tanked for two straight years, both in-season and off-season, and it sure looks like a third is in the offing.  If all you've got for that is Noel and the #3 this year, a pick which some mock drafts have as Porzingis, that's horrible.

3.  I don't know what you mean by "foundational" when you use it to describe Noel.  Right now, the reasonable best case scenario for Noel is a more athletic Marcus Camby with better defense and less offense.  That would actually be a heck of a good player, but someone upon whom you build the "foundation" of a team?

Mike

Judging by Danny's actions over the past two seasons, tanking for phenom prospects is a lot harder than it seems.  Hinkie deserves credit for pulling it off.  Now we have to see how these kids perform long-term. Should be a fun team to watch heading forward.

And Ainge got his team back into the playoffs in the second year of a rebuild where he got rid of the four best veterans on his roster.  But somehow that's LESS impressive than what Hinkie has done?

Mike

Yeah, Ainge tried to tank and the team fell azz-backwards into a sub 500 playoff sweep.   Take both of these rosters as-is, sprinkle water on them and wait a couple years, I believe the 76ers are closer to contending.   

Free agency might impact both teams. But philly is closer to having a Superstar simply by having better prospects arguably with Superstar potential.

Gotta agree, Ainge tried to tank. He didn't' want to make the playoffs.

Was the IT4 trade part of the tank then?

[celticsclay]

this thread is so hot right now..

[tankcity!]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

As always, there are several levels to this debate.

1.  Literally anyone could do what Hinkie has done.  I could do it.  A ten year old could do it.  It doesn't take brains or wisdom or basketball knowledge.  It's the front office equivalent of flopping, trying to twist the rules to your advantage in a way that would damage the sport if everyone did it.

2.  Philly has now tanked for two straight years, both in-season and off-season, and it sure looks like a third is in the offing.  If all you've got for that is Noel and the #3 this year, a pick which some mock drafts have as Porzingis, that's horrible.

3.  I don't know what you mean by "foundational" when you use it to describe Noel.  Right now, the reasonable best case scenario for Noel is a more athletic Marcus Camby with better defense and less offense.  That would actually be a heck of a good player, but someone upon whom you build the "foundation" of a team?

Mike

Judging by Danny's actions over the past two seasons, tanking for phenom prospects is a lot harder than it seems.  Hinkie deserves credit for pulling it off.  Now we have to see how these kids perform long-term. Should be a fun team to watch heading forward.

And Ainge got his team back into the playoffs in the second year of a rebuild where he got rid of the four best veterans on his roster.  But somehow that's LESS impressive than what Hinkie has done?

Mike

Yeah, Ainge tried to tank and the team fell azz-backwards into a sub 500 playoff sweep.   Take both of these rosters as-is, sprinkle water on them and wait a couple years, I believe the 76ers are closer to contending.   

Free agency might impact both teams. But philly is closer to having a Superstar simply by having better prospects arguably with Superstar potential.

Gotta agree, Ainge tried to tank. He didn't' want to make the playoffs.

Was the IT4 trade part of the tank then?

No, but I didn't think Ainge thought they would have the record they had. You do know they traded their veterans right? And Zack Lowe reported Ainge didn't want to make the playoffs.

[Donoghus]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

As always, there are several levels to this debate.

1.  Literally anyone could do what Hinkie has done.  I could do it.  A ten year old could do it.  It doesn't take brains or wisdom or basketball knowledge.  It's the front office equivalent of flopping, trying to twist the rules to your advantage in a way that would damage the sport if everyone did it.

2.  Philly has now tanked for two straight years, both in-season and off-season, and it sure looks like a third is in the offing.  If all you've got for that is Noel and the #3 this year, a pick which some mock drafts have as Porzingis, that's horrible.

3.  I don't know what you mean by "foundational" when you use it to describe Noel.  Right now, the reasonable best case scenario for Noel is a more athletic Marcus Camby with better defense and less offense.  That would actually be a heck of a good player, but someone upon whom you build the "foundation" of a team?

Mike

Judging by Danny's actions over the past two seasons, tanking for phenom prospects is a lot harder than it seems.  Hinkie deserves credit for pulling it off.  Now we have to see how these kids perform long-term. Should be a fun team to watch heading forward.

And Ainge got his team back into the playoffs in the second year of a rebuild where he got rid of the four best veterans on his roster.  But somehow that's LESS impressive than what Hinkie has done?

Mike

Yeah, Ainge tried to tank and the team fell azz-backwards into a sub 500 playoff sweep.   Take both of these rosters as-is, sprinkle water on them and wait a couple years, I believe the 76ers are closer to contending.   

Free agency might impact both teams. But philly is closer to having a Superstar simply by having better prospects arguably with Superstar potential.

Gotta agree, Ainge tried to tank. He didn't' want to make the playoffs.

Was the IT4 trade part of the tank then?

No, but I didn't think Ainge thought they would have the record they had. You do know they traded their veterans right? And Zack Lowe reported Ainge didn't want to make the playoffs.

Yeah, Marcus Thornton was a real big piece of the puzzle.  You do know they also traded a future 1st rounder, right?

[tankcity!]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

As always, there are several levels to this debate.

1.  Literally anyone could do what Hinkie has done.  I could do it.  A ten year old could do it.  It doesn't take brains or wisdom or basketball knowledge.  It's the front office equivalent of flopping, trying to twist the rules to your advantage in a way that would damage the sport if everyone did it.

2.  Philly has now tanked for two straight years, both in-season and off-season, and it sure looks like a third is in the offing.  If all you've got for that is Noel and the #3 this year, a pick which some mock drafts have as Porzingis, that's horrible.

3.  I don't know what you mean by "foundational" when you use it to describe Noel.  Right now, the reasonable best case scenario for Noel is a more athletic Marcus Camby with better defense and less offense.  That would actually be a heck of a good player, but someone upon whom you build the "foundation" of a team?

Mike

Judging by Danny's actions over the past two seasons, tanking for phenom prospects is a lot harder than it seems.  Hinkie deserves credit for pulling it off.  Now we have to see how these kids perform long-term. Should be a fun team to watch heading forward.

And Ainge got his team back into the playoffs in the second year of a rebuild where he got rid of the four best veterans on his roster.  But somehow that's LESS impressive than what Hinkie has done?

Mike

Yeah, Ainge tried to tank and the team fell azz-backwards into a sub 500 playoff sweep.   Take both of these rosters as-is, sprinkle water on them and wait a couple years, I believe the 76ers are closer to contending.   

Free agency might impact both teams. But philly is closer to having a Superstar simply by having better prospects arguably with Superstar potential.

Gotta agree, Ainge tried to tank. He didn't' want to make the playoffs.

Was the IT4 trade part of the tank then?

No, but I didn't think Ainge thought they would have the record they had. You do know they traded their veterans right? And Zack Lowe reported Ainge didn't want to make the playoffs.

Yeah, Marcus Thornton was a real big piece of the puzzle.  You do know they also traded a future 1st rounder, right?

Yeah, haha. That's a part of rebuilding. They traded Jeff Green and Rondo as well. They traded Brandon Wright for picks. It's not a bad thing for Ainge to try and tank. I don't know why you are so resilient to the idea.

And again, Zack Lowe reported they wanted to Tank. Like I don't know what we are arguing here

[LarBrd33]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

As always, there are several levels to this debate.

1.  Literally anyone could do what Hinkie has done.  I could do it.  A ten year old could do it.  It doesn't take brains or wisdom or basketball knowledge.  It's the front office equivalent of flopping, trying to twist the rules to your advantage in a way that would damage the sport if everyone did it.

2.  Philly has now tanked for two straight years, both in-season and off-season, and it sure looks like a third is in the offing.  If all you've got for that is Noel and the #3 this year, a pick which some mock drafts have as Porzingis, that's horrible.

3.  I don't know what you mean by "foundational" when you use it to describe Noel.  Right now, the reasonable best case scenario for Noel is a more athletic Marcus Camby with better defense and less offense.  That would actually be a heck of a good player, but someone upon whom you build the "foundation" of a team?

Mike

Judging by Danny's actions over the past two seasons, tanking for phenom prospects is a lot harder than it seems.  Hinkie deserves credit for pulling it off.  Now we have to see how these kids perform long-term. Should be a fun team to watch heading forward.

And Ainge got his team back into the playoffs in the second year of a rebuild where he got rid of the four best veterans on his roster.  But somehow that's LESS impressive than what Hinkie has done?

Mike

Yeah, Ainge tried to tank and the team fell azz-backwards into a sub 500 playoff sweep.   Take both of these rosters as-is, sprinkle water on them and wait a couple years, I believe the 76ers are closer to contending.   

Free agency might impact both teams. But philly is closer to having a Superstar simply by having better prospects arguably with Superstar potential.

Gotta agree, Ainge tried to tank. He didn't' want to make the playoffs.

Was the IT4 trade part of the tank then?

No, but I didn't think Ainge thought they would have the record they had. You do know they traded their veterans right? And Zack Lowe reported Ainge didn't want to make the playoffs.

Yeah, Marcus Thornton was a real big piece of the puzzle.  You do know they also traded a future 1st rounder, right?

I get your point Donoghus.  But Ainge is on record as saying he didnt believe the IT trade would be available next year.  He sees him as more valuable than a late 1st... and didn't want to blow the opportunity to get him.  It still seems clear to me that the goal was to bottom out for a top pick, but when a valuable asset could be had for bargain prices, you can see why Ainge jumped at it.   It's been suggested that Ainge felt IT would be more tradeable than a late 1st... it was just seen as getting a better asset. 

Anyways, I'm looking forward until after the draft so we can get some clarity on Embiid's situation.  Right now it just sounds like they want him to slow down so not to risk re-injury.  He hasn't even officially been ruled out of summerleague yet and that's like a couple weeks away... and first-hand accounts of him over the past month were that he was explosive, "dominant" and felt no pain.  As I saw someone else put it, "the word setback was used irresponsibly as it implies re-injury and thus far we have heard nothing to support the idea that he has re-injured himself".

[Donoghus]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

As always, there are several levels to this debate.

1.  Literally anyone could do what Hinkie has done.  I could do it.  A ten year old could do it.  It doesn't take brains or wisdom or basketball knowledge.  It's the front office equivalent of flopping, trying to twist the rules to your advantage in a way that would damage the sport if everyone did it.

2.  Philly has now tanked for two straight years, both in-season and off-season, and it sure looks like a third is in the offing.  If all you've got for that is Noel and the #3 this year, a pick which some mock drafts have as Porzingis, that's horrible.

3.  I don't know what you mean by "foundational" when you use it to describe Noel.  Right now, the reasonable best case scenario for Noel is a more athletic Marcus Camby with better defense and less offense.  That would actually be a heck of a good player, but someone upon whom you build the "foundation" of a team?

Mike

Judging by Danny's actions over the past two seasons, tanking for phenom prospects is a lot harder than it seems.  Hinkie deserves credit for pulling it off.  Now we have to see how these kids perform long-term. Should be a fun team to watch heading forward.

And Ainge got his team back into the playoffs in the second year of a rebuild where he got rid of the four best veterans on his roster.  But somehow that's LESS impressive than what Hinkie has done?

Mike

Yeah, Ainge tried to tank and the team fell azz-backwards into a sub 500 playoff sweep.   Take both of these rosters as-is, sprinkle water on them and wait a couple years, I believe the 76ers are closer to contending.   

Free agency might impact both teams. But philly is closer to having a Superstar simply by having better prospects arguably with Superstar potential.

Gotta agree, Ainge tried to tank. He didn't' want to make the playoffs.

Was the IT4 trade part of the tank then?

No, but I didn't think Ainge thought they would have the record they had. You do know they traded their veterans right? And Zack Lowe reported Ainge didn't want to make the playoffs.

Yeah, Marcus Thornton was a real big piece of the puzzle.  You do know they also traded a future 1st rounder, right?

I get your point Donoghus.  But Ainge is on record as saying he didnt believe the IT trade would be available next year.  He sees him as more valuable than a late 1st... and didn't want to blow the opportunity to get him.  It still seems clear to me that the goal was to bottom out for a top pick, but when a valuable asset could be had for bargain prices, you can see why Ainge jumped at it.   It's been suggested that Ainge felt IT would be more tradeable than a late 1st... it was just seen as getting a better asset.

Well, I think what Ainge said at the time was more about striking the deal while you could rather than getting into a bidding war or having another team trade for him. 

I think last year was more a of a fluid situation than simply a matter of "Ainge wanted to tank" or "Ainge was trying to make the playoffs".   His moves throughout the season from Rondo to Green to IT4 would seem to indicate that.    A rebuild was going on but I'm not necessarily sure it was a hard tank throughout.  It certainly doesn't seem that way when you're giving up a fringe player & a first (albeit, protected) 1st rounder.

[LarBrd33]

He hasn't even been ruled out of summer league yet ... and that's like two weeks from now:

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-76ers/scott-o%E2%80%99neil-three-more-doctors-coming-see-joel-embiid

CEO Scott O'Neil stopped by Comcast SportsNet's Breakfast on Broad set Friday, where he gave an update on the Kansas product.

"We're trying to figure out, with a 21-year-old, how do you focus wholly on long-term health and wellness and make sure he's OK," O'Neil said. "So what we're doing now is seeing experts, the best experts from around the world to make sure we make the right decisions with him and his family and do the best.

"And everyone wants to jump to the worst conclusion, which is  people can jump to whatever they want. It's just not healing at the same rate we'd like to see."

O'Neil confirmed Embiid didn't re-injure his foot. While the 7-footer has been shut down now from working out, O'Neil said the Sixers don't know if he'll miss summer league yet.

"We're still waiting," O'Neil said. "We have another three doctors to come see him. The nice thing about jobs like these, you can literally get the best experts in the world. All you have to do is call and they would love to see us."

As for when O'Neill expects an answer, he said, "A couple of weeks."

INterestingly enough... his status will not be clear until after the draft.  Doesn't really sway the draft posturing conspiracy theories...


I wonder if these fans are in denial:

So in layman's terms, nothing's changed except he didn't hit some healing bench mark they set for him. All the weeks of increased activity without any pain are indicative of where he's at. They're just being super duper cautious, which is the way to go, obviously. We're just all pretty shell shocked after the Bynum experience, which is pretty understandable.

The way I see it is that Embiid has a little over four months to get 100% healthy give or take a few weeks. Sure it would have been great to see him get some experience in Summer League and pre-season but at the same time it's not worth the risk of him re-injuring his foot. If he doesn't play the majority of the season however, then it may be time to move in a different direction.

To me, there is only one explanation. He's fine, he's practicing and not feeling any pain. Yet the bone still has not fully calcified and healed though, again, that hasn't caused him pain or prevented him from practicing. So they are probably bringing in three experts to get the widest range of possible opinions on two questions: 1) is there anything else we can to do to get the bone all the way healed; and 2) if not, what kind of risks are we taking in letting him play if this is the best it is going to get and is there anything we can do to minimize them.

Most likely explanation here seems to be that after spending several months saying Embiid was "definitely" playing in Summer league, they saw that it still wasn't 110% healed and are proceeding cautiously. 

[Eddie20]

He hasn't even been ruled out of summer league yet ... and that's like two weeks from now:

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-76ers/scott-o%E2%80%99neil-three-more-doctors-coming-see-joel-embiid

CEO Scott O'Neil stopped by Comcast SportsNet's Breakfast on Broad set Friday, where he gave an update on the Kansas product.

"We're trying to figure out, with a 21-year-old, how do you focus wholly on long-term health and wellness and make sure he's OK," O'Neil said. "So what we're doing now is seeing experts, the best experts from around the world to make sure we make the right decisions with him and his family and do the best.

"And everyone wants to jump to the worst conclusion, which is  people can jump to whatever they want. It's just not healing at the same rate we'd like to see."

O'Neil confirmed Embiid didn't re-injure his foot. While the 7-footer has been shut down now from working out, O'Neil said the Sixers don't know if he'll miss summer league yet.

"We're still waiting," O'Neil said. "We have another three doctors to come see him. The nice thing about jobs like these, you can literally get the best experts in the world. All you have to do is call and they would love to see us."

As for when O'Neill expects an answer, he said, "A couple of weeks."

INterestingly enough... his status will not be clear until after the draft.  Doesn't really sway the draft posturing conspiracy theories...


I wonder if these fans are in denial:

So in layman's terms, nothing's changed except he didn't hit some healing bench mark they set for him. All the weeks of increased activity without any pain are indicative of where he's at. They're just being super duper cautious, which is the way to go, obviously. We're just all pretty shell shocked after the Bynum experience, which is pretty understandable.

The way I see it is that Embiid has a little over four months to get 100% healthy give or take a few weeks. Sure it would have been great to see him get some experience in Summer League and pre-season but at the same time it's not worth the risk of him re-injuring his foot. If he doesn't play the majority of the season however, then it may be time to move in a different direction.

To me, there is only one explanation. He's fine, he's practicing and not feeling any pain. Yet the bone still has not fully calcified and healed though, again, that hasn't caused him pain or prevented him from practicing. So they are probably bringing in three experts to get the widest range of possible opinions on two questions: 1) is there anything else we can to do to get the bone all the way healed; and 2) if not, what kind of risks are we taking in letting him play if this is the best it is going to get and is there anything we can do to minimize them.

Most likely explanation here seems to be that after spending several months saying Embiid was "definitely" playing in Summer league, they saw that it still wasn't 110% healed and are proceeding cautiously.

Are you seriously trying to spin this as positive news?

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/deep-sixer/Three-more-doctors-to-look-at-Embiids-foot.html?ref=facebook.com&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

76ers CEO Scott O'Neil said on the Breakfast on Broad show Friday that three more doctors will evaluate the latest setback in the healing of Joel Embiid's right foot.
 
"We're still waiting," O'Neil said. "We have another three doctors to come see him. The nice thing about jobs like these – you can literally get the best experts in the world. All you have to do is call and they love to see us."
He added that the franchise could get an answer about the 7-foot center's future in "a couple of weeks."
 
The team announced last Saturday night that Embiid had a setback in his recuperation. The 2014 first-round draft pick from Kansas missed what would have been his rookie season after undergoing surgery last June to repair a stress fracture in the navicular bone in his right foot.

It is unknown if Embiid, 21, will have to undergo another surgery, which could sideline him for part of next season. The team is still gathering information, and nothing has been ruled out.
 
The Cameroonian big man is not expected to participate in the two NBA summers leagues the Sixers will participate in next month although O'Neil said his status is not known. It's also not known how long he will be sidelined.
O'Neil confirmed that Embiid has been shut down from working out.
 
"We're trying to figure out with a 21-year-old how do you focus wholly on long-term health and wellness and make sure he's OK," O'Neil said. "So what we're doing now is seeing experts, the best experts from around the world, to make sure we make the right decisions with him and his family and do the best."
 
There's a chance this injury will hinder Embiid's career the way it has for other 7-footers. Like Embiid, Yao Ming suffered a stress fracture in a navicular bone in 2008 and again in 2009. That injury forced Yao to retire in 2011.

A stress fracture in Embiid's lower back kept him out of the Big 12 and NCAA tournaments during his lone season at Kansas in 2013-14. Embiid initially hurt his back Feb. 8 against West Virginia. After returning to action, he aggravated the injury March 1 at Oklahoma State.

This was a comment by a Philly fan. LarBrd33 or DrJ6 (depeding on what forum you're on), he might have been talking about you.

The Hinkie congregation would have you believe this is all a ploy to strengthen the Sixers draft leverage. I guess bringing in 3 more doctors to examine him must be part of the ruse.
I feel for this kid. I'm taking a wait and see stance on this injury. To totally dismiss it as a ploy shows how people view the world through Hinkie colored glasses.

[HomerSapien]

While this is less than encouraging news for Embiid and Sixers fans, until he actually misses Summer League, it doesn't really mean much to me. 

If he does miss SL it is definitely a set back.

[tazzmaniac]

He hasn't even been ruled out of summer league yet ... and that's like two weeks from now:

http://www.csnphilly.com/basketball-philadelphia-76ers/scott-o%E2%80%99neil-three-more-doctors-coming-see-joel-embiid

CEO Scott O'Neil stopped by Comcast SportsNet's Breakfast on Broad set Friday, where he gave an update on the Kansas product.

"We're trying to figure out, with a 21-year-old, how do you focus wholly on long-term health and wellness and make sure he's OK," O'Neil said. "So what we're doing now is seeing experts, the best experts from around the world to make sure we make the right decisions with him and his family and do the best.

"And everyone wants to jump to the worst conclusion, which is  people can jump to whatever they want. It's just not healing at the same rate we'd like to see."

O'Neil confirmed Embiid didn't re-injure his foot. While the 7-footer has been shut down now from working out, O'Neil said the Sixers don't know if he'll miss summer league yet.

"We're still waiting," O'Neil said. "We have another three doctors to come see him. The nice thing about jobs like these, you can literally get the best experts in the world. All you have to do is call and they would love to see us."

As for when O'Neill expects an answer, he said, "A couple of weeks."

INterestingly enough... his status will not be clear until after the draft.  Doesn't really sway the draft posturing conspiracy theories...


I wonder if these fans are in denial:

So in layman's terms, nothing's changed except he didn't hit some healing bench mark they set for him. All the weeks of increased activity without any pain are indicative of where he's at. They're just being super duper cautious, which is the way to go, obviously. We're just all pretty shell shocked after the Bynum experience, which is pretty understandable.

The way I see it is that Embiid has a little over four months to get 100% healthy give or take a few weeks. Sure it would have been great to see him get some experience in Summer League and pre-season but at the same time it's not worth the risk of him re-injuring his foot. If he doesn't play the majority of the season however, then it may be time to move in a different direction.

To me, there is only one explanation. He's fine, he's practicing and not feeling any pain. Yet the bone still has not fully calcified and healed though, again, that hasn't caused him pain or prevented him from practicing. So they are probably bringing in three experts to get the widest range of possible opinions on two questions: 1) is there anything else we can to do to get the bone all the way healed; and 2) if not, what kind of risks are we taking in letting him play if this is the best it is going to get and is there anything we can do to minimize them.

Most likely explanation here seems to be that after spending several months saying Embiid was "definitely" playing in Summer league, they saw that it still wasn't 110% healed and are proceeding cautiously.

Are you seriously trying to spin this as positive news?

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76ers CEO Scott O'Neil said on the Breakfast on Broad show Friday that three more doctors will evaluate the latest setback in the healing of Joel Embiid's right foot.
 
"We're still waiting," O'Neil said. "We have another three doctors to come see him. The nice thing about jobs like these – you can literally get the best experts in the world. All you have to do is call and they love to see us."
He added that the franchise could get an answer about the 7-foot center's future in "a couple of weeks."
 
The team announced last Saturday night that Embiid had a setback in his recuperation. The 2014 first-round draft pick from Kansas missed what would have been his rookie season after undergoing surgery last June to repair a stress fracture in the navicular bone in his right foot.

It is unknown if Embiid, 21, will have to undergo another surgery, which could sideline him for part of next season. The team is still gathering information, and nothing has been ruled out.
 
The Cameroonian big man is not expected to participate in the two NBA summers leagues the Sixers will participate in next month although O'Neil said his status is not known. It's also not known how long he will be sidelined.
O'Neil confirmed that Embiid has been shut down from working out.
 
"We're trying to figure out with a 21-year-old how do you focus wholly on long-term health and wellness and make sure he's OK," O'Neil said. "So what we're doing now is seeing experts, the best experts from around the world, to make sure we make the right decisions with him and his family and do the best."
 
There's a chance this injury will hinder Embiid's career the way it has for other 7-footers. Like Embiid, Yao Ming suffered a stress fracture in a navicular bone in 2008 and again in 2009. That injury forced Yao to retire in 2011.

A stress fracture in Embiid's lower back kept him out of the Big 12 and NCAA tournaments during his lone season at Kansas in 2013-14. Embiid initially hurt his back Feb. 8 against West Virginia. After returning to action, he aggravated the injury March 1 at Oklahoma State.

This was a comment by a Philly fan. LarBrd33 or DrJ6 (depeding on what forum you're on), he might have been talking about you.

The Hinkie congregation would have you believe this is all a ploy to strengthen the Sixers draft leverage. I guess bringing in 3 more doctors to examine him must be part of the ruse.
I feel for this kid. I'm taking a wait and see stance on this injury. To totally dismiss it as a ploy shows how people view the world through Hinkie colored glasses.

Right now this is just a minor setback.  The Sixers are clearly being very cautious with Embiid which I think is a good thing.  I hope they continue to do so in the regular season.  I wouldn't play him in B2Bs and I'd limit him to 15 to 20 mpg.  They should use this season to focus on his development (strength, post moves) and developing Noel/Embiid into an effective combo.  For next season winning shouldn't be a priority for them so there is no reason to overplay Embiid.   

[LarBrd33]

Eddie, the ceo of the 76ers flat out admits that:

#1, he's looked incredible in workouts,
#2, he's felt no pain,
#3, he hasn't re-injured anything,
#4, it simply hasn't healed as quickly as they hoped,
#5, his long term health is a priority (they don't want to rush him back and have him reinjure something like durant did)
#6, he hasn't been ruled out of summer league
#7, they are bringing in 3 doctors to get more opnions
#8, they understand that people like you are always going to jump to the worst conclusion
#9, he's sidelined right now

Add all that up and its pretty darn clear what is happening here.  Embiid feels fine and is ready to go.  The team has expected him to play summer league for months.  Now that summer league is around the corner, they see that embiid's injury hasn't met a milestone.  In reading about the injury it sounds like at this stage they likely are looking at the soft tissue around the bone.  In reading about the injury, it sounds like at some point the only thing you can do is back off and give it rest.  They likely want to get every expert opinion they can so they have a clear idea of the risk associated with letting embiid play at 99.9%.  Does he need to sit out summer league or not?  Does he need to rest for a month ?  What's his chances of re injury if he is green lit this month?  Understand that embiid is the face of that franchise and if he pans out like everyone expects, he alone could increase the value of that franchise by over 200 million.  There is a lot at stake here and they do NOT want to repeat the mistakes made with guys like Oden.

Naturally, all of these "sky is falling" embiid articles add their own shock media opinions. "Maybe he will be oden. Maybe this is Bynum again. Omg bill Walton and Yao Ming, mmiright?  He COULD miss the whole season. His whole leg COULD fall off.   This COULD result in a basketball holocaust".

You are quoting careless worst case scenario opinions by writers looking for clicks.  In their defense, you can't really have an article about embiid's "set back" without informing readers of why that could be concerning. This thread itself isn't half as interesting without the potential for a basketball train wreck. The stuff you bolded has not come from anyone in the Philly organization.  We are well aware of why people are concerned... Greg oden reinjured himself multiple times.  Scary words like "set back" can mean all sorts of stuff.  But based on the facts right now, the fears are pretty baseless.  There clearly was always risk involved in taking embiid... Hence why the top prospect fell to 3rd.  I see no reason to be more alarmed now than we were then.  Perhaps the doctors will come in and say "omg guys you botched his surgery.  Re-do it".  Maybe they Will come in saying, "omg you guys, we know he's been dominant in workouts lately but these ct results prove he will never be healthy. You might as well just cut him, bros".  But that doesn't seem in line with what is actually happening right now.  But feel free to keep cutting and pasting scary opinion commentary from people that are just rehashing the same ol "injured big man" storyline.

[Eddie20]

Add all that up and its pretty darn clear what is happening here.  Embiid feels fine and is ready to go.

That's what all these reports are telling you? That's awesome!

You sound like BBallTim in how he defended Rondo.