Sources: 76ers center Joel Embiid suffers setback with right foot

[LarBrd33]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick. 

[Ilikesports17]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

How much better do you think Noel is compared to WCS. They are both athletic bigs from Kentucky who are tremendous defenders, bad offensive players, and surprisingly ineffective rebounders.

[LarBrd33]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

How much better do you think Noel is compared to WCS. They are both athletic bigs from Kentucky who are tremendous defenders, bad offensive players, and surprisingly ineffective rebounders.

I'd guess Noel is significantly better.  I could be wrong.  Not at all sold on WCS.  They played together as freshman.  WCS didn't show much improvement over his 3 years of College ball.   Noel has incredible potential.

[PhoSita]

LarBrd33, things are looking gloomy for your beloved Sixers.

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress

There's still a great deal of uncertainty regarding when Dario Saric, who is more of a small forward, will come over. According to what we're told, it absolutely won't happen before 2016, and could get pushed back to 2017 when he’s no longer bound by the NBA rookie-scale contract.

Sixers: "Cool, he'll develop on somebody else's dime without adding to our win totals.  He can join us in a couple years when our team is closer to being ready to actually win.  Awesome!"

[celticsclay]

LarBrd33, things are looking gloomy for your beloved Sixers.

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress

There's still a great deal of uncertainty regarding when Dario Saric, who is more of a small forward, will come over. According to what we're told, it absolutely won't happen before 2016, and could get pushed back to 2017 when he’s no longer bound by the NBA rookie-scale contract.

Sixers: "Cool, he'll develop on somebody else's dime without adding to our win totals.  He can join us in a couple years when our team is closer to being ready to actually win.  Awesome!"

I don't think it is really ever ideal for a team to wait for a full 3 seasons for a guy to come over that you draft. It is my personal opinion that the NBA is a different game than the European game and there are probably different training regimes you want to get a guy on during his formative years. If I am understanding this article correct it seems like they will not have him until the 2017-2018 season and they will have to pay him more than a regular 12th overall pick because he won't be subject to rookie scale.

By 2017-2018 season Noel will be approaching free agency if accepts the qualifying offer. I think they probably want to assemble some talent around Noel before then so he is more inclined to stay.

[celticsclay]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

The Noel stuff has been beat to death so I won't touch that. I am not really sure why the number 3 pick this year is cornerstone building while Marcus Smart is not. Is Russel really that great? He was really overwelming in a lot of their bigger games including the NCAA tournament. I think it is more of the allure of potential than him actually being better than smart. These rookies are like cars, for the most part once you take them off the lot (draft) they start depreciating in value.
Last ten years here are the number 3 picks

Porter, Beal, Kanter, Favors, Harden, Mayo, Horford, Morrison

Some of these guys could still develop, but harden is the lone superstar, Horford is an all star and the rest have been between starters and above average starters. I think Marcus Smart projects as an above average starter so he is right in the middle of these guys.

[tazzmaniac]

LarBrd33, things are looking gloomy for your beloved Sixers.

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress

There's still a great deal of uncertainty regarding when Dario Saric, who is more of a small forward, will come over. According to what we're told, it absolutely won't happen before 2016, and could get pushed back to 2017 when he’s no longer bound by the NBA rookie-scale contract.

Sixers: "Cool, he'll develop on somebody else's dime without adding to our win totals.  He can join us in a couple years when our team is closer to being ready to actually win.  Awesome!"

I don't think it is really ever ideal for a team to wait for a full 3 seasons for a guy to come over that you draft. It is my personal opinion that the NBA is a different game than the European game and there are probably different training regimes you want to get a guy on during his formative years. If I am understanding this article correct it seems like they will not have him until the 2017-2018 season and they will have to pay him more than a regular 12th overall pick because he won't be subject to rookie scale.

By 2017-2018 season Noel will be approaching free agency if accepts the qualifying offer. I think they probably want to assemble some talent around Noel before then so he is more inclined to stay.

I believe the Bulls had to wait 4 years for Mirotic to come over.  It is clearly not an ideal situation which is why the Sixers are pushing to get Saric now.  While he can opt out from his current contract after next season, it doesn't make sense financially for him to do so.  As for Noel, he's not going anywhere if the Sixers are willing to pay to keep him. 

[celticsclay]

LarBrd33, things are looking gloomy for your beloved Sixers.

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress

There's still a great deal of uncertainty regarding when Dario Saric, who is more of a small forward, will come over. According to what we're told, it absolutely won't happen before 2016, and could get pushed back to 2017 when he’s no longer bound by the NBA rookie-scale contract.

Sixers: "Cool, he'll develop on somebody else's dime without adding to our win totals.  He can join us in a couple years when our team is closer to being ready to actually win.  Awesome!"

I don't think it is really ever ideal for a team to wait for a full 3 seasons for a guy to come over that you draft. It is my personal opinion that the NBA is a different game than the European game and there are probably different training regimes you want to get a guy on during his formative years. If I am understanding this article correct it seems like they will not have him until the 2017-2018 season and they will have to pay him more than a regular 12th overall pick because he won't be subject to rookie scale.

By 2017-2018 season Noel will be approaching free agency if accepts the qualifying offer. I think they probably want to assemble some talent around Noel before then so he is more inclined to stay.

I believe the Bulls had to wait 4 years for Mirotic to come over.  It is clearly not an ideal situation which is why the Sixers are pushing to get Saric now.  While he can opt out from his current contract after next season, it doesn't make sense financially for him to do so.  As for Noel, he's not going anywhere if the Sixers are willing to pay to keep him.

I don't really understand how we can presume to know that. There are already rumblings Davis is unhappy coming off his rookie contract in Nola and may not want to stay there (and they actually made the playoffs). If the situation with Embiid doesn't work out, Saric doesn't come over and they are still chugging along at 15-30 wins the next two years how we can know Noel wouldn't do anything to get the hell out of there.

[D.o.s.]

Davis, though, would be an anomaly if he leaves and would only leave because of the cap situation surrounding the timeline for his current deal: no other rookie has ever turned down a max extension, and under normal circumstances I wouldn't expect Davis to be the first.

[slamtheking]

LarBrd33, things are looking gloomy for your beloved Sixers.

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress

There's still a great deal of uncertainty regarding when Dario Saric, who is more of a small forward, will come over. According to what we're told, it absolutely won't happen before 2016, and could get pushed back to 2017 when he’s no longer bound by the NBA rookie-scale contract.

Sixers: "Cool, he'll develop on somebody else's dime without adding to our win totals.  He can join us in a couple years when our team is closer to being ready to actually win.  Awesome!"

I don't think it is really ever ideal for a team to wait for a full 3 seasons for a guy to come over that you draft. It is my personal opinion that the NBA is a different game than the European game and there are probably different training regimes you want to get a guy on during his formative years. If I am understanding this article correct it seems like they will not have him until the 2017-2018 season and they will have to pay him more than a regular 12th overall pick because he won't be subject to rookie scale.

By 2017-2018 season Noel will be approaching free agency if accepts the qualifying offer. I think they probably want to assemble some talent around Noel before then so he is more inclined to stay.

I believe the Bulls had to wait 4 years for Mirotic to come over.  It is clearly not an ideal situation which is why the Sixers are pushing to get Saric now.  While he can opt out from his current contract after next season, it doesn't make sense financially for him to do so.  As for Noel, he's not going anywhere if the Sixers are willing to pay to keep him.

I don't really understand how we can presume to know that. There are already rumblings Davis is unhappy coming off his rookie contract in Nola and may not want to stay there (and they actually made the playoffs). If the situation with Embiid doesn't work out, Saric doesn't come over and they are still chugging along at 15-30 wins the next two years how we can know Noel wouldn't do anything to get the hell out of there.

that's been my thoughts on Philly as well -- if they continue to stink it up while their prized young players come to the end of their rookie deals, what's their incentive to stay in Philly?  If Noel, Embiid, Saric, etc.... become what the tankathon-lovers anticipate, these guys will be well paid no matter where they sign.  what player wouldn't run to free agency to play for a better franchise and escape that mess in Philly. 

tbh, I think it'll take exactly that to happen for Philly to rethink the path they're on.

[D.o.s.]

I think "the mess that is Philly" is largely incorrect, by the way. They have a good coach. They are creating a system on the court. They are losing a lot of games, sure, but it isn't like they're the Kings. The 76ers aren't flailing around rudderlessly.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I think "the mess that is Philly" is largely incorrect, by the way. They have a good coach. They are creating a system on the court. They are losing a lot of games, sure, but it isn't like they're the Kings. The 76ers aren't flailing around rudderlessly.

Quite accurate, particularly the coaching aspect.

[SCeltic34]

LarBrd33, things are looking gloomy for your beloved Sixers.

Jonathan Givony, DraftExpress

There's still a great deal of uncertainty regarding when Dario Saric, who is more of a small forward, will come over. According to what we're told, it absolutely won't happen before 2016, and could get pushed back to 2017 when he’s no longer bound by the NBA rookie-scale contract.

He wasn't expected to come over this year. 

They are no more "my sixers" than golden state is "my warriors" or cleveland is "my Cavs".   I understand what Hinkie is doing with the 76ers and I respect it more than most people here.   That's about it.  Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles.  I respect how fully invested he is into landing a superstar.   It's admirable.  I would have taken Embiid 3rd as well.  The Marcus Smarts of the worlds are easier to replace than a fully functional big man phenom prospect like Embiid.  Maybe the conspiracy theories here are right and his injury is more serious than they are publicly saying... maybe not.

Let's see if the plan fails before people here prematurely bury them.

Question for you: what is it about Hinkie's approach that you respect so much?  Is it the fact that he's steadfastly adhered to his original plan of shameless tanking (as opposed to Ainge, who according to some failed to tank properly)? 

Hinkie hasn't done anything that commands respect.  Not just yet anyway.  He's done the easy part.  Any chump can tear a team down and set it up to lose games to ensure high draft picks.  Eliminate any talent you have for a reasonable return such as late 1st or 2nd round draft picks and fill up your roster with rookies and D-league level talent.  Easy.  Additionally, even a bad GM can make good selections when given the opportunity to work with high draft picks.

Embiid hasn't played a single NBA game yet.  Neither has Saric.  The trade for Noel was a good move, but I attribute it also in large part to New Orleans stupidity.  Giving up a top prospect in Noel in addition to a future 1st (#10) for an overrated point guard?  That's just horrible management.

Tanking guarantees nothing.  Philly isn't a lock to obtain that next transcendent player that will make their franchise relevant for the next decade, nor will they necessarily become some sort of unstoppable juggernaut just because their roster is filled with youth and potential.

If you're going to argue that we should wait to see if Hinkie's plan fails before passing judgment, you should likewise do the same before prematurely giving him praise. 

[tankcity!]

Hinkie understands what a lot of people here don't:  Superstars win titles. 

The vast majority of superstars DON'T win titles.

And what Hinkie understood is that he could follow a strategy that screwed over his own fan base and sponged off the rest of the least for several years and, as long as there were plenty of folks like you around to defend him, he could get away with it.

Mike

Embiid or no Embiid, I still take their two top assets over any two of ours combined... possibly even 3.

A defensive phenom like Nerlens Noel and whatever they get at #3... That's foundation-building cornerstones. 

After Marcus Smart, what's our best asset here?  Brooklyn's unprotected 2016?  That pick might end up 12-17.   I'd surely trade both of those "assets" for either Noel or the #3 pick.

How much better do you think Noel is compared to WCS. They are both athletic bigs from Kentucky who are tremendous defenders, bad offensive players, and surprisingly ineffective rebounders.

I'd guess Noel is significantly better.  I could be wrong.  Not at all sold on WCS.  They played together as freshman.  WCS didn't show much improvement over his 3 years of College ball.   Noel has incredible potential.

It is unbelievable how much you overrate Noel. Makes no sense. Defies Logic even. What is his upside, is he better than Anthony Davis at Defense? Nope...So I don't get your point. WCS and Noel both are the same in my eyes. Noel will not be good at Offense. He has no touch around the rim. So yes, WCS and Noel are the same bro. Sorry, but sometimes you can be a little ridiculous. I understand you don't want to sound bias, but please at least be fair. And again, why do you think players are going to go to Philly? Has Philly even attempted to trade for players? You do know players have control of where they go right?

I'm really looking forward to this off-season so the Celtics can shut up all the Philly fans around this board.

[littleteapot]

Can something make no sense without defying logic? It makes no sense. Or maybe it defies logic?