We still love you Rondo!

[Birdman]

Rondo and Love will be Lakers this summer..
Okafor
Love
Young
Bryant
Rondo

Randle
Hill
Clarkson

[Rosco917]

Rondo and Love will be Lakers this summer..
Okafor
Love
Young
Bryant
Rondo

Randle
Hill
Clarkson

There's some great news, Rondo won't defend, neither will Love, you know Kobe at 37 won't, Okafur is a rookie, and not a great defender anyway. They'll give up 120 a game.

[saynomore]

A few points:

1. The Rondo hate is pretty nuts. He won us a lot of games. A simple, "I don't think he will come back" I can understand but some of these comments make me a little sad as a fan.

2. WAs he hurt this year in Dallas? I would like to know the full story of why he wasn't playing at the end.

3. Its all about money. I think if Ainge had said, "**** it, i'll just give him the max" he would still be here. Ainge was right not to. But if someone gets him for under 10 mil a year and he bounces back he will be on a good deal. I just have this bad feeling that next year or the year after he could again be a top pg and on a really friendly deal somewhere.

4. Its hard to say that our improvement after RR left was due to rondo sucking. I mean, we wee sucking as a team and when Rondo was traded it was kind of a rallying call for the rest of the team to step up. It reminds me of when Pitino left and we played better. Although I guess I'm making the opposite of the point I want because I really like Rondo and really don't like Pitino.

5. A lot of things would have to happen to make a Rondo return make sense. But I do hope Ainge reaches out to him. Even though he hasn't played amazing lately I still think he has a super competitive mentality and he's not someone I would ever bet against. He was getting like 13 dimes a game for us. Say what ever you want but almost no one else could do that.

1-3 agreed, nothing much to add

4 - Exactly! Besides Rondo, Jeff Green also was traded afterall and Celtics added some new players to the roster.
5 - I don't think Rondo is going to be back because it's a step back (imo). He left some kind of legacy (okay maybe he never was the best player)... but still, good memories. He was traded and won championship with this team, and so everything looks like he ain't coming back. Celtics decided to part ways and build another team - young team with a young coach, new vision. His return doesn't make any sense to me but we don't know what's going to happen 

[Chris22]

Rondo is doing a great job ruining other teams.
Let him ruin the Lakers next.

[saynomore]

fixed it for you

Minority? Seriously? Only the laziest people not yet involved in this

[tazzmaniac]

A few points:

1. The Rondo hate is pretty nuts. He won us a lot of games. A simple, "I don't think he will come back" I can understand but some of these comments make me a little sad as a fan.

2. WAs he hurt this year in Dallas? I would like to know the full story of why he wasn't playing at the end.

3. Its all about money. I think if Ainge had said, "**** it, i'll just give him the max" he would still be here. Ainge was right not to. But if someone gets him for under 10 mil a year and he bounces back he will be on a good deal. I just have this bad feeling that next year or the year after he could again be a top pg and on a really friendly deal somewhere.

4. Its hard to say that our improvement after RR left was due to rondo sucking. I mean, we wee sucking as a team and when Rondo was traded it was kind of a rallying call for the rest of the team to step up. It reminds me of when Pitino left and we played better. Although I guess I'm making the opposite of the point I want because I really like Rondo and really don't like Pitino.

5. A lot of things would have to happen to make a Rondo return make sense. But I do hope Ainge reaches out to him. Even though he hasn't played amazing lately I still think he has a super competitive mentality and he's not someone I would ever bet against. He was getting like 13 dimes a game for us. Say what ever you want but almost no one else could do that.

on your first point, as i read this thread i dont see a unified, monolithic "hate" being leveled at rondo. i see lots of viewpoints, including appreciation for what he DID before as a celtic. let's not set up a strawfigure.

next point, maybe you could check back on the not playing in dallas stories on the web. it is complex story and no one here would know the full story. but from what i read, carlisle and rondo did not see eye to eye (quite the understatement.) rondo wants to run a team his way, which i can understand. but carlisle also wants to run a team, and do it his way as the coach. in this setting, rondo loses. rondo competed against his coach, and he lost since he is not a superstar.

plus, let's face it, rondo's stats and dallas' w/l record were not as good as before rondo's arrival. something was happening that was not good in the world of dallas basketball.

injury? i see no reason to doubt that was a factor. have you heard anything else on this? if so, please share it.

third point, you mention rondo might become a top pg next year. maybe. but NOT on any and all teams. a point made in this thread, and it is a good point, is that rondo's strengths and style do NOT PLAY OUT EQUALLY WELL ON ALL NBA TEAMS. rondo MUST have the ball in his hand to do well since he cant shoot reliably. such a player will not fit equally well on every nba team. simple enough.

for the CBS run celtics, rondo's style is NOT what is needed or appropriate. so i hope rondo bounces back. but it will have to be with a team whose offense and plays are not like those of the celtics. meaning, rondo cant bounce back with the celtics. this is the wrong place for his talents now. he was a good fit before with doc and the big 3, but a bad fit now.

point four, right. no one can prove the departure of rondo = more celtics wins. we can only make the observation that the celtics won more games after he left. to be honest, i thought the celtics passed the ball as a team far better without rondo. did this lead to wins? dont know. would the celtics have won more games if rondo had stayed? dont know that either. but we can all guess.

point five, here i disagree with you, though i acknowledge your point and intentions. rondo is not a good fit for this celtics team. ainge should not reach out to him. ainge should thank him and move on to build a different sort of team.

finally point, or question to you, by me. given that rondo plays one sort of basketball game as a ball dominant pg who doesnt shoot well, which teams today in the nba do you think would benefit from having him on board? those are the teams rondo should seek out to revive his career, which is honestly suffering right now.

/agree with all your points.

But I think the last one is the most important - everything else is just a sidebar. The real question is "can Rondo make this team better?". I think the answer to that is most likely no and that was shown by the dramatic increase in the winning percentage once he and Green were traded.

Rondo, even at his best, is a talent who requires a particular scenario to be effective. Simply put, he needs shooters. He needs guys like PP and Ray Allen who can pour in the points in half court sets. He needs vets like KG who can work off the pick and roll. He needs an enforcer in the paint like Perk who will give him the freedom and protection to drive to the hoop.

That is NOT this team. This Celtics crew is lacking in good outside half court shooting. There is no enforcer inside. There's not even a great pick-and-roll specialist. So even if Rondo wanted to come back, he doesn't fit anymore. It's quite likely he would be a negative asset to this team simply based on the system that the rest of the team needs to execute to succeed. That's the crux of the matter. Strictly from a basketball standpoint Rondo doesn't make any sense.

NOW add in the cost of his salary, the opportunity cost of not getting another player for that salary amount, the fact that our single best young asset plays the same position and the risk of similar locker room problems that transpired in Dallas. That's not hate, those are simply facts. In short, there's almost zero chance of a Rondo return being a net positive impact for the Celtics and a major chance of it having a negative impact in multiple ways.

The dramatic increase in winning percentage happened long after the Rondo trade when we were playing mostly weaker East teams at the end of season.   We had an absolutely brutal November schedule.  When Rondo was traded, we were 9-14 but 13 of those games were against eventual playoff teams. 

Bringing Rondo back doesn't make much sense with the team as currently constituted.  That's why I'd love for it to happen.  It would mean that Ainge had made some major moves to acquire star talent and was ready to compete for championships. 

[Jonny CC]

A few points:

1. The Rondo hate is pretty nuts. He won us a lot of games. A simple, "I don't think he will come back" I can understand but some of these comments make me a little sad as a fan.

2. WAs he hurt this year in Dallas? I would like to know the full story of why he wasn't playing at the end.

3. Its all about money. I think if Ainge had said, "**** it, i'll just give him the max" he would still be here. Ainge was right not to. But if someone gets him for under 10 mil a year and he bounces back he will be on a good deal. I just have this bad feeling that next year or the year after he could again be a top pg and on a really friendly deal somewhere.

4. Its hard to say that our improvement after RR left was due to rondo sucking. I mean, we wee sucking as a team and when Rondo was traded it was kind of a rallying call for the rest of the team to step up. It reminds me of when Pitino left and we played better. Although I guess I'm making the opposite of the point I want because I really like Rondo and really don't like Pitino.

5. A lot of things would have to happen to make a Rondo return make sense. But I do hope Ainge reaches out to him. Even though he hasn't played amazing lately I still think he has a super competitive mentality and he's not someone I would ever bet against. He was getting like 13 dimes a game for us. Say what ever you want but almost no one else could do that.

on your first point, as i read this thread i dont see a unified, monolithic "hate" being leveled at rondo. i see lots of viewpoints, including appreciation for what he DID before as a celtic. let's not set up a strawfigure.

next point, maybe you could check back on the not playing in dallas stories on the web. it is complex story and no one here would know the full story. but from what i read, carlisle and rondo did not see eye to eye (quite the understatement.) rondo wants to run a team his way, which i can understand. but carlisle also wants to run a team, and do it his way as the coach. in this setting, rondo loses. rondo competed against his coach, and he lost since he is not a superstar.

plus, let's face it, rondo's stats and dallas' w/l record were not as good as before rondo's arrival. something was happening that was not good in the world of dallas basketball.

injury? i see no reason to doubt that was a factor. have you heard anything else on this? if so, please share it.

third point, you mention rondo might become a top pg next year. maybe. but NOT on any and all teams. a point made in this thread, and it is a good point, is that rondo's strengths and style do NOT PLAY OUT EQUALLY WELL ON ALL NBA TEAMS. rondo MUST have the ball in his hand to do well since he cant shoot reliably. such a player will not fit equally well on every nba team. simple enough.

for the CBS run celtics, rondo's style is NOT what is needed or appropriate. so i hope rondo bounces back. but it will have to be with a team whose offense and plays are not like those of the celtics. meaning, rondo cant bounce back with the celtics. this is the wrong place for his talents now. he was a good fit before with doc and the big 3, but a bad fit now.

point four, right. no one can prove the departure of rondo = more celtics wins. we can only make the observation that the celtics won more games after he left. to be honest, i thought the celtics passed the ball as a team far better without rondo. did this lead to wins? dont know. would the celtics have won more games if rondo had stayed? dont know that either. but we can all guess.

point five, here i disagree with you, though i acknowledge your point and intentions. rondo is not a good fit for this celtics team. ainge should not reach out to him. ainge should thank him and move on to build a different sort of team.

finally point, or question to you, by me. given that rondo plays one sort of basketball game as a ball dominant pg who doesnt shoot well, which teams today in the nba do you think would benefit from having him on board? those are the teams rondo should seek out to revive his career, which is honestly suffering right now.

/agree with all your points.

But I think the last one is the most important - everything else is just a sidebar. The real question is "can Rondo make this team better?". I think the answer to that is most likely no and that was shown by the dramatic increase in the winning percentage once he and Green were traded.

Rondo, even at his best, is a talent who requires a particular scenario to be effective. Simply put, he needs shooters. He needs guys like PP and Ray Allen who can pour in the points in half court sets. He needs vets like KG who can work off the pick and roll. He needs an enforcer in the paint like Perk who will give him the freedom and protection to drive to the hoop.

That is NOT this team. This Celtics crew is lacking in good outside half court shooting. There is no enforcer inside. There's not even a great pick-and-roll specialist. So even if Rondo wanted to come back, he doesn't fit anymore. It's quite likely he would be a negative asset to this team simply based on the system that the rest of the team needs to execute to succeed. That's the crux of the matter. Strictly from a basketball standpoint Rondo doesn't make any sense.

NOW add in the cost of his salary, the opportunity cost of not getting another player for that salary amount, the fact that our single best young asset plays the same position and the risk of similar locker room problems that transpired in Dallas. That's not hate, those are simply facts. In short, there's almost zero chance of a Rondo return being a net positive impact for the Celtics and a major chance of it having a negative impact in multiple ways.

The dramatic increase in winning percentage happened long after the Rondo trade when we were playing mostly weaker East teams at the end of season.   We had an absolutely brutal November schedule.  When Rondo was traded, we were 9-14 but 13 of those games were against eventual playoff teams. 

Bringing Rondo back doesn't make much sense with the team as currently constituted.  That's why I'd love for it to happen.  It would mean that Ainge had made some major moves to acquire star talent and was ready to compete for championships.

Bringing Rondo back makes NO SENSE regardless of how the team is constituted.  Rondo WAS a great passer in the day but he's NOT now.   He has more weaknesses than strengths now and would do nothing but be a pain in the a$$ for Stevens.  No thanks.

[Jonny CC]

I don't understand the hate towards Rondo what comes from Celtics fans. Seriously, can't stand it. He surely won't come back and you all can totally say something like 'nah this is the bad idea to bring him back' but all these rude messages makes no sense. He didn't do anything bad in Boston, was always polite and said good things about you guys (celtics fans). Everyone right now is hating on him, but when it comes from Celtics fans, idk but it's just... well no comment
He maybe wasn't right in Dallas and he was traded. Did you seen any hate towards him from Celtics organization or players? NO
Some people can't respect the past 
I don't know why you all seems enjoying while seeing what he failed in Mavs or will anywhere else or eventually end up playing in China..

Respect the past?  Personally I have said that Rondo was one of the best passers I have ever seen and he was an important piece of Banner 17.  Unfortunately, for whatever reason (injury, age, etc), he is not the same player on the court.  However, based on what happened in Dallas, he is still a stubborn hammerhead.  Even if he had the same skills he had in 2008, I still think he would be a bad fit for this team. 
In any event, saying he's toast is just an opinion.  I'm not going to say he's great and would love to bring him back if I don't feel that way. 

[Jonny CC]

Rondo was benched in Dallas for fighting with his coach and for playing like crap.

I maintain that "isn't a team player" is one of the emptiest phrases in any sports fan's lexicon.

I maintain that fighting with his coach, playing like crap, admitting to not playing defense = isn't a team player

In the case of Rondo, it is not an empty phrase...it's a dictionary description

[tazzmaniac]

A few points:

1. The Rondo hate is pretty nuts. He won us a lot of games. A simple, "I don't think he will come back" I can understand but some of these comments make me a little sad as a fan.

2. WAs he hurt this year in Dallas? I would like to know the full story of why he wasn't playing at the end.

3. Its all about money. I think if Ainge had said, "**** it, i'll just give him the max" he would still be here. Ainge was right not to. But if someone gets him for under 10 mil a year and he bounces back he will be on a good deal. I just have this bad feeling that next year or the year after he could again be a top pg and on a really friendly deal somewhere.

4. Its hard to say that our improvement after RR left was due to rondo sucking. I mean, we wee sucking as a team and when Rondo was traded it was kind of a rallying call for the rest of the team to step up. It reminds me of when Pitino left and we played better. Although I guess I'm making the opposite of the point I want because I really like Rondo and really don't like Pitino.

5. A lot of things would have to happen to make a Rondo return make sense. But I do hope Ainge reaches out to him. Even though he hasn't played amazing lately I still think he has a super competitive mentality and he's not someone I would ever bet against. He was getting like 13 dimes a game for us. Say what ever you want but almost no one else could do that.

on your first point, as i read this thread i dont see a unified, monolithic "hate" being leveled at rondo. i see lots of viewpoints, including appreciation for what he DID before as a celtic. let's not set up a strawfigure.

next point, maybe you could check back on the not playing in dallas stories on the web. it is complex story and no one here would know the full story. but from what i read, carlisle and rondo did not see eye to eye (quite the understatement.) rondo wants to run a team his way, which i can understand. but carlisle also wants to run a team, and do it his way as the coach. in this setting, rondo loses. rondo competed against his coach, and he lost since he is not a superstar.

plus, let's face it, rondo's stats and dallas' w/l record were not as good as before rondo's arrival. something was happening that was not good in the world of dallas basketball.

injury? i see no reason to doubt that was a factor. have you heard anything else on this? if so, please share it.

third point, you mention rondo might become a top pg next year. maybe. but NOT on any and all teams. a point made in this thread, and it is a good point, is that rondo's strengths and style do NOT PLAY OUT EQUALLY WELL ON ALL NBA TEAMS. rondo MUST have the ball in his hand to do well since he cant shoot reliably. such a player will not fit equally well on every nba team. simple enough.

for the CBS run celtics, rondo's style is NOT what is needed or appropriate. so i hope rondo bounces back. but it will have to be with a team whose offense and plays are not like those of the celtics. meaning, rondo cant bounce back with the celtics. this is the wrong place for his talents now. he was a good fit before with doc and the big 3, but a bad fit now.

point four, right. no one can prove the departure of rondo = more celtics wins. we can only make the observation that the celtics won more games after he left. to be honest, i thought the celtics passed the ball as a team far better without rondo. did this lead to wins? dont know. would the celtics have won more games if rondo had stayed? dont know that either. but we can all guess.

point five, here i disagree with you, though i acknowledge your point and intentions. rondo is not a good fit for this celtics team. ainge should not reach out to him. ainge should thank him and move on to build a different sort of team.

finally point, or question to you, by me. given that rondo plays one sort of basketball game as a ball dominant pg who doesnt shoot well, which teams today in the nba do you think would benefit from having him on board? those are the teams rondo should seek out to revive his career, which is honestly suffering right now.

/agree with all your points.

But I think the last one is the most important - everything else is just a sidebar. The real question is "can Rondo make this team better?". I think the answer to that is most likely no and that was shown by the dramatic increase in the winning percentage once he and Green were traded.

Rondo, even at his best, is a talent who requires a particular scenario to be effective. Simply put, he needs shooters. He needs guys like PP and Ray Allen who can pour in the points in half court sets. He needs vets like KG who can work off the pick and roll. He needs an enforcer in the paint like Perk who will give him the freedom and protection to drive to the hoop.

That is NOT this team. This Celtics crew is lacking in good outside half court shooting. There is no enforcer inside. There's not even a great pick-and-roll specialist. So even if Rondo wanted to come back, he doesn't fit anymore. It's quite likely he would be a negative asset to this team simply based on the system that the rest of the team needs to execute to succeed. That's the crux of the matter. Strictly from a basketball standpoint Rondo doesn't make any sense.

NOW add in the cost of his salary, the opportunity cost of not getting another player for that salary amount, the fact that our single best young asset plays the same position and the risk of similar locker room problems that transpired in Dallas. That's not hate, those are simply facts. In short, there's almost zero chance of a Rondo return being a net positive impact for the Celtics and a major chance of it having a negative impact in multiple ways.

The dramatic increase in winning percentage happened long after the Rondo trade when we were playing mostly weaker East teams at the end of season.   We had an absolutely brutal November schedule.  When Rondo was traded, we were 9-14 but 13 of those games were against eventual playoff teams. 

Bringing Rondo back doesn't make much sense with the team as currently constituted.  That's why I'd love for it to happen.  It would mean that Ainge had made some major moves to acquire star talent and was ready to compete for championships.

Bringing Rondo back makes NO SENSE regardless of how the team is constituted.  Rondo WAS a great passer in the day but he's NOT now.   He has more weaknesses than strengths now and would do nothing but be a pain in the a$$ for Stevens.  No thanks.

Rondo averaged 10.8 asts and 7.5 rebs in the 22 games before he was traded.  He is still a great passer and still has great court vision.  What problems did Rondo cause for Stevens when he was here?  Rondo tried to fit into Stevens' system and Stevens gave Rondo enough leeway running the offense.     

[LilRip]

I wouldn't want Rondo back on this team. He's a bad fit and he seems like he has too many bad on-court habits for our team philosophy.

[Jonny CC]

A few points:

1. The Rondo hate is pretty nuts. He won us a lot of games. A simple, "I don't think he will come back" I can understand but some of these comments make me a little sad as a fan.

2. WAs he hurt this year in Dallas? I would like to know the full story of why he wasn't playing at the end.

3. Its all about money. I think if Ainge had said, "**** it, i'll just give him the max" he would still be here. Ainge was right not to. But if someone gets him for under 10 mil a year and he bounces back he will be on a good deal. I just have this bad feeling that next year or the year after he could again be a top pg and on a really friendly deal somewhere.

4. Its hard to say that our improvement after RR left was due to rondo sucking. I mean, we wee sucking as a team and when Rondo was traded it was kind of a rallying call for the rest of the team to step up. It reminds me of when Pitino left and we played better. Although I guess I'm making the opposite of the point I want because I really like Rondo and really don't like Pitino.

5. A lot of things would have to happen to make a Rondo return make sense. But I do hope Ainge reaches out to him. Even though he hasn't played amazing lately I still think he has a super competitive mentality and he's not someone I would ever bet against. He was getting like 13 dimes a game for us. Say what ever you want but almost no one else could do that.

on your first point, as i read this thread i dont see a unified, monolithic "hate" being leveled at rondo. i see lots of viewpoints, including appreciation for what he DID before as a celtic. let's not set up a strawfigure.

next point, maybe you could check back on the not playing in dallas stories on the web. it is complex story and no one here would know the full story. but from what i read, carlisle and rondo did not see eye to eye (quite the understatement.) rondo wants to run a team his way, which i can understand. but carlisle also wants to run a team, and do it his way as the coach. in this setting, rondo loses. rondo competed against his coach, and he lost since he is not a superstar.

plus, let's face it, rondo's stats and dallas' w/l record were not as good as before rondo's arrival. something was happening that was not good in the world of dallas basketball.

injury? i see no reason to doubt that was a factor. have you heard anything else on this? if so, please share it.

third point, you mention rondo might become a top pg next year. maybe. but NOT on any and all teams. a point made in this thread, and it is a good point, is that rondo's strengths and style do NOT PLAY OUT EQUALLY WELL ON ALL NBA TEAMS. rondo MUST have the ball in his hand to do well since he cant shoot reliably. such a player will not fit equally well on every nba team. simple enough.

for the CBS run celtics, rondo's style is NOT what is needed or appropriate. so i hope rondo bounces back. but it will have to be with a team whose offense and plays are not like those of the celtics. meaning, rondo cant bounce back with the celtics. this is the wrong place for his talents now. he was a good fit before with doc and the big 3, but a bad fit now.

point four, right. no one can prove the departure of rondo = more celtics wins. we can only make the observation that the celtics won more games after he left. to be honest, i thought the celtics passed the ball as a team far better without rondo. did this lead to wins? dont know. would the celtics have won more games if rondo had stayed? dont know that either. but we can all guess.

point five, here i disagree with you, though i acknowledge your point and intentions. rondo is not a good fit for this celtics team. ainge should not reach out to him. ainge should thank him and move on to build a different sort of team.

finally point, or question to you, by me. given that rondo plays one sort of basketball game as a ball dominant pg who doesnt shoot well, which teams today in the nba do you think would benefit from having him on board? those are the teams rondo should seek out to revive his career, which is honestly suffering right now.

/agree with all your points.

But I think the last one is the most important - everything else is just a sidebar. The real question is "can Rondo make this team better?". I think the answer to that is most likely no and that was shown by the dramatic increase in the winning percentage once he and Green were traded.

Rondo, even at his best, is a talent who requires a particular scenario to be effective. Simply put, he needs shooters. He needs guys like PP and Ray Allen who can pour in the points in half court sets. He needs vets like KG who can work off the pick and roll. He needs an enforcer in the paint like Perk who will give him the freedom and protection to drive to the hoop.

That is NOT this team. This Celtics crew is lacking in good outside half court shooting. There is no enforcer inside. There's not even a great pick-and-roll specialist. So even if Rondo wanted to come back, he doesn't fit anymore. It's quite likely he would be a negative asset to this team simply based on the system that the rest of the team needs to execute to succeed. That's the crux of the matter. Strictly from a basketball standpoint Rondo doesn't make any sense.

NOW add in the cost of his salary, the opportunity cost of not getting another player for that salary amount, the fact that our single best young asset plays the same position and the risk of similar locker room problems that transpired in Dallas. That's not hate, those are simply facts. In short, there's almost zero chance of a Rondo return being a net positive impact for the Celtics and a major chance of it having a negative impact in multiple ways.

The dramatic increase in winning percentage happened long after the Rondo trade when we were playing mostly weaker East teams at the end of season.   We had an absolutely brutal November schedule.  When Rondo was traded, we were 9-14 but 13 of those games were against eventual playoff teams. 

Bringing Rondo back doesn't make much sense with the team as currently constituted.  That's why I'd love for it to happen.  It would mean that Ainge had made some major moves to acquire star talent and was ready to compete for championships.

Bringing Rondo back makes NO SENSE regardless of how the team is constituted.  Rondo WAS a great passer in the day but he's NOT now.   He has more weaknesses than strengths now and would do nothing but be a pain in the a$$ for Stevens.  No thanks.

Rondo averaged 10.8 asts and 7.5 rebs in the 22 games before he was traded.  He is still a great passer and still has great court vision.  What problems did Rondo cause for Stevens when he was here?  Rondo tried to fit into Stevens' system and Stevens gave Rondo enough leeway running the offense.     

Unfortunately, he has no offensive ability other than being able to pass the ball.  You think his inability to shoot the ball or hit a free throw or his unwillingness to play defense was helpful to Stevens?!?!  He was a problem in Dallas, a problem for Doc, but not a problem for Stevens?!!  Come on now...reality is calling.

[Granath]

Rondo averaged 10.8 asts and 7.5 rebs in the 22 games before he was traded.  He is still a great passer and still has great court vision.  What problems did Rondo cause for Stevens when he was here?  Rondo tried to fit into Stevens' system and Stevens gave Rondo enough leeway running the offense.     

With 8.3 points per game, 3.4 turnovers per game, a horrific eFG of .429, a laughable .333 FT percentage, a -6 difference between his ORtg and DRtg, by his own admission wasn't playing defense hard and was barely better than a replacement level player. By every single measurement the team has played better with him off the court than on and that's been true of the last two or three years, not just in 22 games last year. Are there any other cherry-picked statistics you want to throw out? Because for every positive one you can toss out there, there are about 3 negative ones.

[Jon]

If this was the Big Three Era and this was the circumstance Rondo was in, I'd roll the dice on him in a hearbeat.  But right now it's just not worth it.

 He's not a great fit for this team as others have indicated.  And what's the best case scenario, he gets us to the second round?  It just doesn't seem worth the risk of him imploding this team and what Brad Stevens is trying to do. 

[Jonny CC]

Rondo averaged 10.8 asts and 7.5 rebs in the 22 games before he was traded.  He is still a great passer and still has great court vision.  What problems did Rondo cause for Stevens when he was here?  Rondo tried to fit into Stevens' system and Stevens gave Rondo enough leeway running the offense.     

With 8.3 points per game, 3.4 turnovers per game, a horrific eFG of .429, a laughable .333 FT percentage, a -6 difference between his ORtg and DRtg, by his own admission wasn't playing defense hard and was barely better than a replacement level player. By every single measurement the team has played better with him off the court than on and that's been true of the last two or three years, not just in 22 games last year. Are there any other cherry-picked statistics you want to throw out? Because for every positive one you can toss out there, there are about 3 negative ones.

Ding, ding, ding.  We have a winner!!!