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Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #165 on: May 21, 2015, 12:05:42 AM »

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Btw, didn't Ainge once say that he understandably tends to judge a player not on how well he performs during the good times, but how he acts and plays during adversity?  I thought I heard that somewhere.  Anyway, why can't we apply the same school of thought to his drafting record?  It seems perfectly fair to me.
to whom are you comparing ainge's drafting?


And on what planet does this magical (and infallible) GM exist?

I'm comparing him to the guys who have consistently been better than him, and I listed them above. 

As for where this 'magical and infallible' gm exists, well, I'd have to say that, according to many posters, it's right here in Boston, because apparently Ainge is incapable of ever making a single mistake (sarcasm) ::).

I think you'd have to be crazy to think moving up... for KO... was a good decision. I don't know any one besides Ainge-loving people here that wanted that pick above Giannis, Shroder, even Tim Hardaway Jr. He sucks, he's always going to suck, and it's genuinely embarrassing to be a fan of an organization that would MOVE UP for him.

People are going to want to argue that and I invite you to. There are no statistics you can provide, when taken into context, that suggest KO doesn't suck. Most importantly, his ceiling was the floor... he had zero room to grow, and at our position in a weak draft, you select someone with an upside. Huge, laughable mistake. Such is life for someone handed a championship.

My best friend went to Gonzaga. He feels the same way. /HateonBeatLA

You are really putting yourself in a corner here. I'm sorry but this post is incredibly ignorant. There are plenty of statistics out there that show how impactful a player Olynyk is. It's not even worth arguing with you, though, because you clearly have a weird bias that does not allow you to actually notice a worthwhile argument. "when taken into context," that's pretty much a line you will use to find a way to stomp down on any statistic someone provides for whatever arbitrary reason you feel. I wanted Giannis, but Olynyk is fine. He's playing above his draft pick's worth relative to his draft class, which means Ainge made the right move regardless of there being two or three 'better' prospects after the pick.

And Tim Hardaway Jr? Really? That guy actually sucks.


Btw, didn't Ainge once say that he understandably tends to judge a player not on how well he performs during the good times, but how he acts and plays during adversity?  I thought I heard that somewhere.  Anyway, why can't we apply the same school of thought to his drafting record?  It seems perfectly fair to me.
to whom are you comparing ainge's drafting?


And on what planet does this magical (and infallible) GM exist?

I'm comparing him to the guys who have consistently been better than him, and I listed them above. 

As for where this 'magical and infallible' gm exists, well, I'd have to say that, according to many posters, it's right here in Boston, because apparently Ainge is incapable of ever making a single mistake (sarcasm) ::).
Chicago: tyrus thomas instead of aldridge

Minny: derrick williams #2 overall

Bird: traded kawhi for george hill on draft day

Morey: drafted a guy with an anxiety disorder who never played a game

Utah: burke and burks smell like garbage

Portland: oden anyone?


I guess what i'm saying is that when i look at your examples, the only DRAFTERS i would say are more consistently better are buford and presti.

I also guess i'm saying be thankful for having a great GM. And one who hasn't whiffed on a top pick (yet) like some of your top draft experts

I wouldn't call Oden a failure.  If he hadn't gotten hurt, he could have been a monster, as he demonstrated when he was actually able to play.  I'm also surprised that you didn't mention Bird taking Hansbrough instead of Jrue Holiday, Lawson, or Collison, but at least 'Psycho T' is still in the league, lol ;D, and a very serviceable role player, I might add.  Larry also knew how good Leonard was (I read that in an article, somewhere), but he also needed a point guard.  Why he decided to make that deal instead of just signing Aaron Brooks for cheap will never make sense to me, but how was Leonard going to play with Paul George?  I'd be extremely thankful that the Pacers and Spurs didn't just switch draft picks, if I were Lebron, btw, because can you imagine having to face a team with both Jimmy Butler and Paul George to not only shut you down, but score, as well?  Holy crap.

It's not only who Bird drafts, though - it's how he builds his team, and he doesn't treat his players like pawns.  He shows loyalty, and he built that team with only one top 10 pick, which happened to be number 10, so that makes his accomplishments even more amazing.  He got Stephenson in the second round (which never should have happened), didn't he?  Even Solomon Hill had a number of excellent games last year, despite the fact that I believe that Hardaway was not only the bpa, but also the better fit for Indiana.  Bottom line - I just think that Larry does things the right way, and he doesn't treat his players like crap.

Lol at Chicago, though, btw.  I wonder if they still would have 'lucked' ::) into getting Rose if Aldridge was there, however; and you forgot to mention the Kings taking Thomas Robinson when Lillard and Drummond were still available.  I mean, if you're going to make these points, make sure that you tag them all, lol ;D. That's pokemon, right?  Ahaha ;D who cares?

Oh yeah, and whatever happened to Trey Burke, never mind Alec Burks?  I thought that he (Burke) had a really solid and promising rookie campaign, but I must admit that I don't follow the Jazz.

I don't understand why you are trying to find ways to defend other GMs' (more) significant mistakes but have trouble applying similar logic to Ainge. You are not being objective here at all. The '08 Celtics were pretty much built without Ainge drafting in the top 10 also (traded #5 for Ray Allen). No one is even saying Ainge is infallible or whatever like you believe. People are just saying you are completely exaggerating his mistakes. When your worst mistake as GM is literally drafting Fab Melo in the 20s or not convincing Tony Allen to stay when he wanted a larger role, you are doing a great job as a GM.

I can only imagine what some of you would be saying if Ainge made a trade like OKC and got rid of Harden. Also, if Ainge traded Leonard for Hill, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be using the "but he needed a PG" logic with Ainge. You would DEFINITELY use that as a negative against Ainge unlike what you are doing for Bird. People would be going to his house with pitchforks. Like I said before, I really don't think you are understanding how often most other GMs in this league make mistakes (much bigger than Ainge). The only GM I would take over Ainge is Buford, and even then, I'm unsure how successful a GM he would be without the greatest player-coach tandem since Russell-Red. I'll give credit where credit is due, though, and recognize him (Buford) as the best GM in the NBA. After that, though? I'll take Ainge.

Presti is a nice drafter, but he seems generally incompetent when it comes to trading and recognizing how valuable coaching is (took FAR too long to fire Brooks). He's also been pretty mediocre at finding the right pieces in free agency to surround Durant and Westbrook. Morey learned literally everything from Ainge, and it is surprising you would have him over Ainge in the drafting department considering sample size. I have no idea why. And in what world is Minnesota better at drafting than Boston? Flip has been GM for TWO years.

Really feels like you just threw a bunch of team names at a wall and just said "see, these teams are better at drafting," but most of them really are not or have very little reason to be put above Ainge (especially considering Minnesota...where Flip has been GM for a year or two...).

EDIT: Also, baseless loyalty gets you no where if you are GM. I'm not really sure how you consider Bird loyal (more-so than Ainge at least), though, considering he dropped Lance like a bad habit, and has been very outward in the media about how Hibbert may not fit what the Pacers want to do in the future. Considering how easily Hibbert's confidence is shaken, that is a terrible thing to say in public about one of your players. Ainge? Not sure where he is any worse in this department. Where does loyalty get you? Pretty much a tied up cap with a former star that can't understand he is getting worse and a guy no one in the league wants to play with anymore (Kobe and his awesome 48 million dollar extension). Ainge gave KG/PP a proper send off, and they have no ill-will towards Ainge. Pierce is even likely to come back and be apart of the front office if I was a betting man. When Ainge trades his dudes, they have pretty much been all to contenders. Brooklyn was supposed to be a contender. Rondo went to a west contender in Dallas. Perk went to OKC. Green and Lee went to Memphis. Even Walker got treated pretty well and was traded to Dallas back in the day. He treats these guys right, man, and rarely ever sends them to NBA hell if he has the power not to.

The only GM in the league who I consider loyal is pretty much Mark Cuban and Mitch. Cuban is a super fan, but at least to his credit, he's been able to find the right pieces to keep the engine going for a bit longer (even if he made a mistake with Rondo..).

I would prefer to build organically and develop within, but unfortunately that's not how the NBA works really. Unless you draft a super-super-super star like Lebron or Durant, you pretty much HAVE to treat all of your draft picks, rookies, and second year players like pawns until the right mix comes along. That's just how the NBA works. I mean, I'd love to have a team like the Pacers..no top 10 picks...built organically, etc. but they are never winning a championship if they continue building this way. They are going to have make tough decisions and drop some players that you think they are "loyal" to because they need a biiitttt more talent.

Okay? I'm not sure where you are headed. "Within context" is meaningful... I'm not sure why that is so blasphemous, or words that are backing myself into a corner. All statistics should be taken into context. Unrelated example, a good player with a skill set that enables him to put up gawdy numbers on a very bad team is not necessarily a great player or superstar on a very good team. That was what I meant by context. Idk how that wouldn't be something to consider with every statistic. When you're collecting data during a neurocognitive assessment, that may be far more important than the results. For example, performance may not be an accurate assessment of one's ability due to 100 other variables that, if not considered in full, may significantly muddy your interpretations of the data. No science is perfect, especially not sports analytics, for this exact reason.
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Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #166 on: May 21, 2015, 12:08:01 AM »

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Sherrod has to be right about something once in his career, right? Maybe this is it! (I do believe in miracles.)

Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #167 on: May 21, 2015, 12:13:49 AM »

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Sherrod has to be right about something once in his career, right? Maybe this is it! (I do believe in miracles.)

Yeah, not so much, lol ;D. Check this out ;D - http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=78123.0

Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #168 on: May 21, 2015, 12:44:01 AM »

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DA, i see you are debating tarheels and a few other regulars about ainge. trust me, you wont get anywhere but back to your original points and no difference will have resulted.

they wont listen. they have shown this many times. the points they are trotting out are virtually the identical points they have made for years now.

proof, logic, their illogic, their inconsistency....throw it all in their faces and it wont matter. they will continue to seek out those points/data that support their pre-existing emotional preferences.

you have a great point here and i give you a tp for it. but may i suggest that once you see a cb poster begin to repeat him or herself in a debate that you walk away, get beer, drink some kombucha, smell some flowers, or take a nap.

all of those activities are time much better spent.  ;D

Not true.  Although I don't agree in this case, I will always listen and consider the points made by someone with a different view, and besides, I could say the exact same thing about your side concerning logic, etc,. but whatever.  No big deal.  This article by Bill Simmons is absolutely incredible, and I'm citing it here because I couldn't have said it any better myself (KG trades aside) -

http://grantland.com/features/the-danny-ainge-anniversary-party/

I had completely forgotten about Danny's interest in Yi :o, but I seem to recall him saying that he felt that Yi was like KG :o.  WHAT!? 

Actually, in looking over his transactions as a gm on hoopshype, he's even worse than I thought.  Only about a year into the job, he fired Dick Harter. :o Really?  I mean, seriously - who does that?  Have a look for yourself.  Why oh why on Sebastian Telfair?  Why - and what about his signing of Mark Blount, at 28 years old, to a 6 year deal? :o Forget the money - that's just plain ridiculous, as was his free agent acquisition of Scal. *facepalm*

Additionally, if you want to use hindsight here, it's not a pretty picture.  Why take back Raef's contract when Isiah Thomas was dumb enough to propose a Walker-Sprewell trade?  I'm not talking about acquiring Spree, btw, because McHale ultimately ended up getting him from Zeke, so why couldn't we have just facilitated a 3-team deal where the Knicks get Antoine, Minnesota gets Sprewell, and we get Terrell Brandon's contract that expired at the end of 2003-04 and another player to make the numbers work, because both Toine and Sprewell's deals were for $13.5 million, and Brandon's was for $11.1, plus a couple of first rounders from the Knicks for 2004 and down the road?  That way we still would have gotten Big Al, another pick or two, and instant salary cap relief.  What's not to like?
the whole point of raef's contract was that we were able to turn it into ratliff's contract, so that we could turn it inot KG's contract. We would't have had the space outright





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Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #169 on: May 21, 2015, 04:28:03 AM »

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DA, i see you are debating tarheels and a few other regulars about ainge. trust me, you wont get anywhere but back to your original points and no difference will have resulted.

they wont listen. they have shown this many times. the points they are trotting out are virtually the identical points they have made for years now.

proof, logic, their illogic, their inconsistency....throw it all in their faces and it wont matter. they will continue to seek out those points/data that support their pre-existing emotional preferences.

you have a great point here and i give you a tp for it. but may i suggest that once you see a cb poster begin to repeat him or herself in a debate that you walk away, get beer, drink some kombucha, smell some flowers, or take a nap.

all of those activities are time much better spent.  ;D

Not true.  Although I don't agree in this case, I will always listen and consider the points made by someone with a different view, and besides, I could say the exact same thing about your side concerning logic, etc,. but whatever.  No big deal.  This article by Bill Simmons is absolutely incredible, and I'm citing it here because I couldn't have said it any better myself (KG trades aside) -

http://grantland.com/features/the-danny-ainge-anniversary-party/

I had completely forgotten about Danny's interest in Yi :o, but I seem to recall him saying that he felt that Yi was like KG :o.  WHAT!? 

Actually, in looking over his transactions as a gm on hoopshype, he's even worse than I thought.  Only about a year into the job, he fired Dick Harter. :o Really?  I mean, seriously - who does that?  Have a look for yourself.  Why oh why on Sebastian Telfair?  Why - and what about his signing of Mark Blount, at 28 years old, to a 6 year deal? :o Forget the money - that's just plain ridiculous, as was his free agent acquisition of Scal. *facepalm*

Additionally, if you want to use hindsight here, it's not a pretty picture.  Why take back Raef's contract when Isiah Thomas was dumb enough to propose a Walker-Sprewell trade?  I'm not talking about acquiring Spree, btw, because McHale ultimately ended up getting him from Zeke, so why couldn't we have just facilitated a 3-team deal where the Knicks get Antoine, Minnesota gets Sprewell, and we get Terrell Brandon's contract that expired at the end of 2003-04 and another player to make the numbers work, because both Toine and Sprewell's deals were for $13.5 million, and Brandon's was for $11.1, plus a couple of first rounders from the Knicks for 2004 and down the road?  That way we still would have gotten Big Al, another pick or two, and instant salary cap relief.  What's not to like?
the whole point of raef's contract was that we were able to turn it into ratliff's contract, so that we could turn it inot KG's contract. We would't have had the space outright





Man NASA sucks. They just LUCKED into making it tot he moon




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Sk8ers gonna sk8

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Right, but what I'm saying is that Ainge didn't specifically acquire Raef's contract way back when so that he could trade it down the road for another contract, etc., as if this was all some sort of grand plan to get KG - unless of course Danny was working with Ms. Cleo (sarcasm) ;)

I don't know how you went from Ainge to NASA, btw, lol ;D, but, in a sense, they did 'luck' (sarcasm) into somehow acquiring and employing ;) all of those Nazi war criminals, I mean, scientists ;) ::), as well as their technology.  Our space program wasn't an American space program - it was the German one from world war II, only with a different name and overall goal (space exploration instead of genocide and total war), and, I hate to say it, but we never would have made it into space at that time without them.  Ugh.  It's one of the more disgusting, disturbing, and sad chapters in our history, quite frankly, which is certainly saying something when you look at all of the other despicable things we've done, and haven't done, over the years. 

Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #170 on: May 21, 2015, 05:25:58 AM »

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DA, i see you are debating tarheels and a few other regulars about ainge. trust me, you wont get anywhere but back to your original points and no difference will have resulted.

they wont listen. they have shown this many times. the points they are trotting out are virtually the identical points they have made for years now.

proof, logic, their illogic, their inconsistency....throw it all in their faces and it wont matter. they will continue to seek out those points/data that support their pre-existing emotional preferences.

you have a great point here and i give you a tp for it. but may i suggest that once you see a cb poster begin to repeat him or herself in a debate that you walk away, get beer, drink some kombucha, smell some flowers, or take a nap.

all of those activities are time much better spent.  ;D

Not true.  Although I don't agree in this case, I will always listen and consider the points made by someone with a different view, and besides, I could say the exact same thing about your side concerning logic, etc,. but whatever.  No big deal.  This article by Bill Simmons is absolutely incredible, and I'm citing it here because I couldn't have said it any better myself (KG trades aside) -

http://grantland.com/features/the-danny-ainge-anniversary-party/

I had completely forgotten about Danny's interest in Yi :o, but I seem to recall him saying that he felt that Yi was like KG :o.  WHAT!? 

Actually, in looking over his transactions as a gm on hoopshype, he's even worse than I thought.  Only about a year into the job, he fired Dick Harter. :o Really?  I mean, seriously - who does that?  Have a look for yourself.  Why oh why on Sebastian Telfair?  Why - and what about his signing of Mark Blount, at 28 years old, to a 6 year deal? :o Forget the money - that's just plain ridiculous, as was his free agent acquisition of Scal. *facepalm*

Additionally, if you want to use hindsight here, it's not a pretty picture.  Why take back Raef's contract when Isiah Thomas was dumb enough to propose a Walker-Sprewell trade?  I'm not talking about acquiring Spree, btw, because McHale ultimately ended up getting him from Zeke, so why couldn't we have just facilitated a 3-team deal where the Knicks get Antoine, Minnesota gets Sprewell, and we get Terrell Brandon's contract that expired at the end of 2003-04 and another player to make the numbers work, because both Toine and Sprewell's deals were for $13.5 million, and Brandon's was for $11.1, plus a couple of first rounders from the Knicks for 2004 and down the road?  That way we still would have gotten Big Al, another pick or two, and instant salary cap relief.  What's not to like?
the whole point of raef's contract was that we were able to turn it into ratliff's contract, so that we could turn it inot KG's contract. We would't have had the space outright





Man NASA sucks. They just LUCKED into making it tot he moon




WE WON A CHAMPIONSHIP WITH AINGE AT THE HELM


Sk8ers gonna sk8

H8ers gonna h8

Right, but what I'm saying is that Ainge didn't specifically acquire Raef's contract way back when so that he could trade it down the road for another contract, etc., as if this was all some sort of grand plan to get KG - unless of course Danny was working with Ms. Cleo (sarcasm) ;)

I don't know how you went from Ainge to NASA, btw, lol ;D, but, in a sense, they did 'luck' (sarcasm) into somehow acquiring and employing ;) all of those Nazi war criminals, I mean, scientists ;) ::), as well as their technology.  Our space program wasn't an American space program - it was the German one from world war II, only with a different name and overall goal (space exploration instead of genocide and total war), and, I hate to say it, but we never would have made it into space at that time without them.  Ugh.  It's one of the more disgusting, disturbing, and sad chapters in our history, quite frankly, which is certainly saying something when you look at all of the other despicable things we've done, and haven't done, over the years.

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Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
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Apparently LaMarcus Aldridge was in town and spotted at Flemmings Steak house near the common last night.
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Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #172 on: June 05, 2015, 11:23:26 AM »

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Apparently LaMarcus Aldridge was in town and spotted at Flemmings Steak house near the common last night.
... and Rondo shake his hand?

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Apparently LaMarcus Aldridge was in town and spotted at Flemmings Steak house near the common last night.

Interesting, especially after news just came out that he has listed his Portland home for sale.

Did this come from somewhere/someone specific?

Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #174 on: June 05, 2015, 11:32:26 AM »

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Apparently LaMarcus Aldridge was in town and spotted at Flemmings Steak house near the common last night.

Interesting, especially after news just came out that he has listed his Portland home for sale.

Did this come from somewhere/someone specific?
Some dude on twitter, so I'm not sure of the reliability. Apparently some guy on twitter has a friend that works at Flemmings who waited on LA.
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Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #175 on: June 05, 2015, 11:45:32 AM »

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Apparently LaMarcus Aldridge was in town and spotted at Flemmings Steak house near the common last night.

Interesting, especially after news just came out that he has listed his Portland home for sale.

Did this come from somewhere/someone specific?
Some dude on twitter, so I'm not sure of the reliability. Apparently some guy on twitter has a friend that works at Flemmings who waited on LA.

Ah man, Summer of Love Part Deux, Aldridge Style...

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Re: Sherrod Blakely- C's to put a package deal for Aldridge and Matthews
« Reply #177 on: June 05, 2015, 12:03:37 PM »

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Apparently LaMarcus Aldridge was in town and spotted at Flemmings Steak house near the common last night.
... and Rondo shake his hand?
Just because Love did not end up in Boston does not make that trip/meeting irrelevant.

It meant that either a) Love likes the city of Boston and enjoys visiting or b) he was genuinely interested in the city as a potential landing spot, or c) he has close friends/family there.

Now I never heard that Love refused to come to Boston. Our package, I assume was just not good enough.

What we do know is that Boston was one of probably 5 feasible locations for KLove last offseason, and he decided to visit the city and meet our "star" pg.

The next offseason, Boston is one of 7(complete guess) teams with the max cap space to pursue Aldridge in FA, and Aldridge visits the city.

Now this means either Boston is a much better destination than this blog gives it credit for, or these guys are legitimately considering Boston as a good landing spot.

We treat Boston like its North Dakota sometimes on this blog. It is a great city, and the haters cant have it both ways here. Are we a destination town or is Aldridge interested. Make up your minds.

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I am so aroused at the possibility it's probably not  decent for me to be in the company of others.
It might not even be true, and I'm not sure it means anything if it is.

However, it could mean that he is considering Boston as a potential option and wanted to check out the city. Or he could be seeing a specialist for a follow up after his surgery in Boston.
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