2026 HOF class Doc Rivers and Amare Stoudemire

[Donoghus]

* Only player other than Magic and Isiah to average 20-12 in a season.

That's a surprising and impressive stat to me.  12 apg is tough; Steve Nash never got there (nor did he hit 20ppg).  Stockton never had the elite scoring.  But, I would have figured Oscar did it.  Nope.

In fact, only five players have ever had 12+ apg in a season:

Stockton (8x)
Magic (6x)
Isiah (1x)
K. Johnson (1x)
K. Porter (1x)

Wild thing about Kevin Porter was that he led the league in assists 4 times. Never made an all star game.  And only 5 guys have won more assist titles than him.  All HOFers.

[Moranis]

Jokic is 20/10 and 50% for the 2nd straight year.

KJ only has 7 seasons of at least 70 games.  1 is his rookie year.  That simply isn't a long enough career in my view unless the guy is just a monster, which KJ was not. 

And these stats show why it is hard to compare eras. Take Oscar.  He only shot 50% or better twice in his career, but he finished in the top 5, four times and top 10, 4 additional times in FG%.  In 61-62 he finished 4th in FG%, led the league in apg at 11.4, finished 5th in ppg at 30.8, and 9th in rpg at 12.5.  Yet because his fg% was 47.8 he doesnt show up in that stat.  Also that 11.4 apg was 3.4 apg better than Guy Rodgers whose 8.0 was 2nd in the league. Era comparing is just hard to do, which is why things like all star appearances, all nba teams, mvp voting, dpoy voting, etc. in my view are better gauges and comparison tools.  They simply just show how the player was thought of in his time. 

[Who]

Jokic is 20/10 and 50% for the 2nd straight year.

Yeah, I said the trivia was a bit dated. It was from a youtube from 5+yrs ago.

Good to know about Jokic. I'll add him to that list.

And these stats show why it is hard to compare eras. Take Oscar.  He only shot 50% or better twice in his career, but he finished in the top 5, four times and top 10, 4 additional times in FG%.  In 61-62 he finished 4th in FG%, led the league in apg at 11.4, finished 5th in ppg at 30.8, and 9th in rpg at 12.5.  Yet because his fg% was 47.8 he doesnt show up in that stat.  Also that 11.4 apg was 3.4 apg better than Guy Rodgers whose 8.0 was 2nd in the league. Era comparing is just hard to do, which is why things like all star appearances, all nba teams, mvp voting, dpoy voting, etc. in my view are better gauges and comparison tools.  They simply just show how the player was thought of in his time.

Yes. There is some era bias.

The FG% hurts guys from the early eras like Oscar when FG% was lower and the late eras like Steph who shoot a lot of 3s.

Still, that leaves somewhere between 1970-2010 where it was possible for a guard to do that. That is a large window of opportunity where the stats can be compared. That is a 40 year period of guys who can be compared to KJ and were not able to do what he did.

Walt Frazier averaged over 50% an 20ppg 3 times from 1968-73 and averaged 20ppg 50% over the 5 year period. Even in today's league we still have a guard like SGA who doesn't shoot many 3s and manages to shoot over 50% from the field. However, most guard shoot lots of 3s and cannot get to 50% FG anymore.

[Who]

Another way to look at it would be FG% or TS% relative to era. B-ref.com's adjusted TS% number would do that well.

Oscar would get recognized that way. He was one of the most efficient scorers of his era. Not just his strong FG% but also his FT%. He posted adjusted TS+ of 118 from 1960-69. A 9 year stretch where he was 18% above league average for scoring efficiency.

KJ was a 110 for his 9 year stretch 1988-97.
Magic was 114 for 9yrs from 1982-91.
Zeke would be a 97 from 1982-91.

Isaiah was only above league average for TS% once in his career in 1985-86. It was one of his 20-10 seasons. 20.9ppg and 10.8apg. 48.8% FG. His FG% is actually pretty solid from 1982-89 (7yrs) at 46.7%. Solid number for a small guard who takes a number of contested jump-shots. He didn't get to the foul line like any of those other 3 guys though (5.8 FTA on 17.0 FGA = 34.2% FTr which is still well above average for a PG) and did not shoot as well once he got there either (76.9% FT).

The other 3 guys were freaks at getting to the line. Oscar averaged 10.7 FTA on 21.3 FGA for that 9 year stretch. A 50% (slightly above) FTr. Magic was 8.6 FTA on 17.3 FGA for 50% (49.9%). In Magic's final 5 years (not including comeback), he averaged 9.9 FTA on 19.0 FGA after he upped his scoring volume. KJ was at 7.2 FTA on 13.7 FGA. A 52.4% FTr.

KJ was both a high percentage shooter from the floor + a high volume FT getter and maker.

Kevin Johnson had a 9 year stretch from 1988-1997. In that period, KJ averaged 19.8ppg 10.0apg on 49.7% FG and a 59% TS (elite for that period).

[Who]

I am trying to think of other 20-10 PGs to for adjusted TS comparisons.

It is hard to do a plain search now that B-Ref put some of that behind their paywall. To search for individual seasons of 20-10 with say an 8+% over league average TS.

Kevin Johnson had a 9 year stretch from 1988-1997. In that period, KJ averaged 19.8ppg 10.0apg on 49.7% FG and a 59% TS (elite for that period).

Deron had a 5yr peak from 2006-11. 18.6ppg and 10.2apg. 46.9% FG similar to Zeke. An adjusted TS% of 105 so 5% above league average.

Chris Paul had a 9yr stretch from 2007-2016. 19.2ppg and 10.3apg. 48.1% FG. An adjusted TS of 109. 9% above league average. Pretty much the exact same numbers as KJ for scoring, assists and adjusted TS.

Mark Price had a 5yr run from 1988-94 (played only 16gms one year due to injury) where he went for 18.2ppg 8.2apg 48.7% FG with a 113 adjusted TS. Slightly more efficient than CP3 or KJ but a tad less volume in both scoring and assists.

Russell Westbrook has an 8yr run from 2013-21 where he averaged 25.9ppg 10apg and 9.5rpg. He shot 44% FG and had a 97 league adjusted TS (same as Zeke). If we trim it back to a 3yr run when he had large assist numbers with a good FG%, we get 2014-17, Russ had an adjusted TS of 101. 2 years with Durant and 1st year without Durant where he maintained his scoring efficiency. Then it dropped off. From a 100 down to 94.

Tim Hardaway had a 7 year spell from 1990-98. Missed one year with injury. He averaged 20.3ppg and 9.2apg. He shot 44.2% and had a league adjusted TS of 101. It doesn't make a difference to his scoring efficiency if you splice up that period more. He was 100-102 before he got. He was 100-101 as he recovered for 2 years. He was 99-101 for his first 2 full years with Miami. His assists and scoring are higher prior to injury (22.7ppg 10.0apg). He had a down spell under Adelman in 1995-96 before being traded to Miami where his numbers dropped for the first half of the season but was still 17.4ppg 8.6apg for those 2years. Then 19.6ppg 8.4apg for Miami final 2yrs of his prime.

James Harden deserves a mention. From 2016-26, Harden has a 10yr stretch of high assist marks. 26.3ppg and 9.1apg (along with 6.5rpg). He shot a 43.6% FG but had a league adjusted TS of 108. He was at 111 steadily during the Houston portion of his spell before it dropped. It has been 104 since. So he has gotten old. Part of his prime was a strong assist guy (5.8apg to 7.5apg first 4yrs in HOU) before becoming a high assist guy halfway through his prime. So he maintained a 111 adjusted TS (KJ 110) during his prime as a high assist guy. 

John Wall had a 6yr stretch from 2013-19. 20.0ppg and 9.8apg. 43.7% FG (similar to Russ). An adjusted TS of 96.

Bob Cousy never had 10apg due to playing in an era where assists were harder to get. He did top out at 9.5apg so he was close. Another season at 8.9apg. Okay, so an 8yr stretch from 1952-60 where Cousy led the league in assists every season. He averaged 19.6ppg and 8.1apg. His league adjusted TS was 100. He had a good strech from 1951-57 where had 4 seasons with 100-101 TS and 2 seasons of 105-106. After that he dropped off. He had one more 99 season. Two 95s and four 91-93 scores to round out his last 6 seasons of his career. For his career, he was a 98. So closer to Zeke.

Tiny Archibald had a 4-6 year stretch from 1971-76. He only played 34-35 games in 2 of those seasons due to injuries. Over this period, Tiny scored 26.7ppg and added 8.6apg. He shot 46.7% FG (similar as Zeke). He was elite at getting to the foul line with 8.9 FTA against 20.9 FGA which pumped up his TS+ to 109. Similar level as CP3 and KJ.

Lenny Wilkens had an 8yr stretch from 1966-1974 where he averaged 18.9ppg 8apg with a TS+ of 105. Close given that assists were still handed out less in this era than by late 70s / 80s / 90s. He probably would have been in that 9-10apg range.

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The efficiency and the passing but not the scoring.

Steve Nash did not have the scoring but worth a mention. From 2003-12, a 9yr run, Nash went for 16.1ppg and 10.7apg. He did shoot 50+% from the field at 50.6%. Gawd, actually he is 50-40-90 for the whole 9yr run. 50.6% FG 43.4% 3PT 91.2% FT. His league adjusted TS is 116. So he is right up there in between Magic (114) and Oscar (118). Helps show how extraordinary Oscar was.

John Stockton had a 9yr run where he led the league in assists every single season from 1987-96. He obviously doesn't have the points either but I was interested and figured others would be too. 15.7ppg (same as Nash) and an insane 13.1apg. Stockton shot 52.2% FG 38.8% 3PT 82.8% FT. He had a league adjusted TS of 115. In between Magic and Nash. He had a 114 TS+ for his entire career (19yrs!!).

Not the scoring or efficiency.

Jason Kidd has a peak from 1998-2004 where he averaged 16.2ppg and 9.7apg. He shot only 40.7% FG for a league adjusted TS of 97.

The scoring but slightly less assists.

Gary Payton had a 10yr strech from 1993-2003 where he put up 20.8ppg and 7.9apg. He shot 46.8% (similar to prime Zeke) with a league adjusted TS of 101.

The scoring and efficiency but not the assists.

Walt Frazier had an 8yr stretch from 1968-1976 where he averaged 20.7ppg but only 6.7apg (plus 6.6rpg). He shot 49.4% FG and had a 109 TS+. If you split those 8yrs into 2 parts. Frazier's TS+ goes up to 113 for the first four years (Magic was 114, Walt was among the best of the best ever during this period) when he got to the foul line at an excellent rate (43.8% FTr). That FTr dropped to only 25.6% in his next four years and saw his TS+ drop to 105 (Deron Williams level).

Steph Curry has amazing longevity. I am going to go with 2013-26 for him. So 13 seasons. Over that period, he has put up 26.6ppg but only 6.4apg. He shot 47.3% FG 41.8% 3PT 91.5% FT. He has a league adjusted TS of 114. Same as Magic. Again, shows how amazingly efficient Oscar was at 118. Steph is an efficiency machine and Oscar is still ahead of him.

Damian Lillard. I will go from 2015-25. A 10yr stretch. Lillard averaged 26.9ppg 7.0apg on 44.2% FG 37.2% 3PT 90.2% FT for a TS+ of 106 - closer to Deron & post-peak Harden. He had 3 seasons around 110 but was generally around 105.

Kyrie Irving has an 11yr stretch from 2014-2025 (1 less game played than KJ's 9yr stretch). Kyrie averaged 24.6ppg and 5.5apg. He shot 48.1% FG 39.7% 3PT 89.6% FT narrowly missing a 48-40-90. His league adjusted TS was 106. He never got to the FT line at a high rate. Nor took a high number of 3s. Only 2 seasons with 8+ three point attempts per game. Usually in the 6-7 per game range. Kept his TS% lower than his basic shooting numbers would suggest.

The scoring is close but not the efficiency or assists.

Tony Parker had a 9yr stretch from 2005-14 where he averaged 18.6ppg and 6.3apg. He shot 51% FG and had a TS+ of 104 - similar to Deron.

[Moranis]

Marbury actually rates pretty highly using that method.

TS+ is 102 from 99-07 with 20.6 ppg and 7.8 apg.  Never a super apg guy but a consistent top 10 guy finishing as high as 2nd once, 3rd once, and 4th 3 times.