2026 HOF class Doc Rivers and Amare Stoudemire

[Donoghus]

* Only player other than Magic and Isiah to average 20-12 in a season.

That's a surprising and impressive stat to me.  12 apg is tough; Steve Nash never got there (nor did he hit 20ppg).  Stockton never had the elite scoring.  But, I would have figured Oscar did it.  Nope.

In fact, only five players have ever had 12+ apg in a season:

Stockton (8x)
Magic (6x)
Isiah (1x)
K. Johnson (1x)
K. Porter (1x)

Wild thing about Kevin Porter was that he led the league in assists 4 times. Never made an all star game.  And only 5 guys have won more assist titles than him.  All HOFers.

[Moranis]

Jokic is 20/10 and 50% for the 2nd straight year.

KJ only has 7 seasons of at least 70 games.  1 is his rookie year.  That simply isn't a long enough career in my view unless the guy is just a monster, which KJ was not. 

And these stats show why it is hard to compare eras. Take Oscar.  He only shot 50% or better twice in his career, but he finished in the top 5, four times and top 10, 4 additional times in FG%.  In 61-62 he finished 4th in FG%, led the league in apg at 11.4, finished 5th in ppg at 30.8, and 9th in rpg at 12.5.  Yet because his fg% was 47.8 he doesnt show up in that stat.  Also that 11.4 apg was 3.4 apg better than Guy Rodgers whose 8.0 was 2nd in the league. Era comparing is just hard to do, which is why things like all star appearances, all nba teams, mvp voting, dpoy voting, etc. in my view are better gauges and comparison tools.  They simply just show how the player was thought of in his time. 

[Who]

Jokic is 20/10 and 50% for the 2nd straight year.

Yeah, I said the trivia was a bit dated. It was from a youtube from 5+yrs ago.

Good to know about Jokic. I'll add him to that list.

And these stats show why it is hard to compare eras. Take Oscar.  He only shot 50% or better twice in his career, but he finished in the top 5, four times and top 10, 4 additional times in FG%.  In 61-62 he finished 4th in FG%, led the league in apg at 11.4, finished 5th in ppg at 30.8, and 9th in rpg at 12.5.  Yet because his fg% was 47.8 he doesnt show up in that stat.  Also that 11.4 apg was 3.4 apg better than Guy Rodgers whose 8.0 was 2nd in the league. Era comparing is just hard to do, which is why things like all star appearances, all nba teams, mvp voting, dpoy voting, etc. in my view are better gauges and comparison tools.  They simply just show how the player was thought of in his time.

Yes. There is some era bias.

The FG% hurts guys from the early eras like Oscar when FG% was lower and the late eras like Steph who shoot a lot of 3s.

Still, that leaves somewhere between 1970-2010 where it was possible for a guard to do that. That is a large window of opportunity where the stats can be compared. That is a 40 year period of guys who can be compared to KJ and were not able to do what he did.

Walt Frazier averaged over 50% an 20ppg 3 times from 1968-73 and averaged 20ppg 50% over the 5 year period. Even in today's league we still have a guard like SGA who doesn't shoot many 3s and manages to shoot over 50% from the field. However, most guard shoot lots of 3s and cannot get to 50% FG anymore.