Would you trade the 16 and 28 for Aaron Gordon?

[PhoSita]

It makes zero sense for the Magic to trade Gordon unless they get a crazy offer.

Gordon is raw, and he might not turn into anything, but he also might become a star still.  There's just no way to be sure they're getting fair value in return, unless they get blown away.

[Eddie20]

Gordon looks like a horrid fit in Stevens' pace and space system. His lack of shooting kills our offensive spacing and his contributions defensively weren't as advertised. Sure, he can have the highlight block or rebound with his great athleticism. However, when you closely you see a player that can't defend most 4's in the block and a player not laterally quick enough to cover a lot of 3's.

Gordon is a player that's going to demand a lot of patience. The scariest thing he showed little to no improvement during the year. In fact, numbers suggest that he actually showed slight regression from pre all-star (53% FG, 5.9 PPG, 3.2 RPG) to post all-star (37% FG, 4.5 PPG, 4.0 RPG).

He'll probably eventually be an undersized 4, but he needs to add a lot of bulk before that's possible.

Let's look at who might be available at 16 and 28. At 16, we'll be looking at guys like Dekker, Portis, Lyles, and Booker. At 28, Wood, Upshaw, Alexander, and Martin. A few of those players (Dekker, Portis, Lyles, and Martin) appear to be more ready to contribute next season than Gordon.

Gordon's stock has fallen significantly since last year and despite a return that might seem marginal (16 and 28) I still wouldn't do it. I just don't see Gordon developing into anything remotely close to a top 5 pick. Right now, he looks like one of the biggest potential busts of the 2014 draft.

I hope the magic think like you

Doesn't matter if they do, unless they get blown away with an offer they won't trade him. His value is too low and they spent too high of a pick on him. They're sort of stuck with him one way or another and their overall spacing (Gordon, Nic, Oladipo, Payton) will continue to be atrocious.

[D.o.s.]

It makes zero sense for the Magic to trade Gordon unless they get a crazy offer.

Gordon is raw, and he might not turn into anything, but he also might become a star still.  There's just no way to be sure they're getting fair value in return, unless they get blown away.

This is how I feel, too.

[Celtics18]

Aaron Gordon was the fourth pick in what was supposed to be the best draft since the one that saw Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo and Chris Bosh enter the league.

But who actually said all that about the draft, because Danny Ainge predicted it was going to be one of the worst drafts in history, and he turned out being absolutely right.

I think it's safe to say that Gordon has (thus far) failed to live up to his draft position, being outplayed so far by a number of players who were chosen after him.

First of all, I'm fairly sure Ainge didn't predict that "it was going to be one of the worst drafts in history."  You'll have to show me a quote, for me to buy that one.

Secondly, there's absolutely no way to judge how good this draft was after just one year. 

And, finally, folks were absolutely drooling over this draft.  Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, Exum, Randle, Gordon, and Vonleh were all supposed to be bona fide superstars before anyone had ever seen them play in meaningful competition. 

[Tr1boy]

Gordon looks like a horrid fit in Stevens' pace and space system. His lack of shooting kills our offensive spacing and his contributions defensively weren't as advertised. Sure, he can have the highlight block or rebound with his great athleticism. However, when you closely you see a player that can't defend most 4's in the block and a player not laterally quick enough to cover a lot of 3's.

Gordon is a player that's going to demand a lot of patience. The scariest thing he showed little to no improvement during the year. In fact, numbers suggest that he actually showed slight regression from pre all-star (53% FG, 5.9 PPG, 3.2 RPG) to post all-star (37% FG, 4.5 PPG, 4.0 RPG).

He'll probably eventually be an undersized 4, but he needs to add a lot of bulk before that's possible.

Let's look at who might be available at 16 and 28. At 16, we'll be looking at guys like Dekker, Portis, Lyles, and Booker. At 28, Wood, Upshaw, Alexander, and Martin. A few of those players (Dekker, Portis, Lyles, and Martin) appear to be more ready to contribute next season than Gordon.

Gordon's stock has fallen significantly since last year and despite a return that might seem marginal (16 and 28) I still wouldn't do it. I just don't see Gordon developing into anything remotely close to a top 5 pick. Right now, he looks like one of the biggest potential busts of the 2014 draft.

I hope the magic think like you

Doesn't matter if they do, unless they get blown away with an offer they won't trade him. His value is too low and they spent too high of a pick on him. They're sort of stuck with him one way or another and their overall spacing (Gordon, Nic, Oladipo, Payton) will continue to be atrocious.

Stranger things have happened

Like someone has stated magic grab winslow have harris and want more shooters in the lineup. Young, booker , maybe they are enormed by a international player at 28. A deal could be made

Gordon should start or play 20 min consistently. He is not the type of role player that you can plug in 7-10 min and hope for impact on the floor.  On the other hand the Celtics can really use someone like Gordon in the lineup

And imo he does fit under cbs. His 3 pt shooting looks better than it did in college and can make the open 3. If you guard too close he will drive by you. Good passer .  good iq player with a good motor

Lineup of Gordon, crowder, smart, ab would be a tough defensive unit to face

[PhoSita]

Secondly, there's absolutely no way to judge how good this draft was after just one year.

You'd think people would know by now not to judge too quickly.

Just look at the 2013 draft, which was meant to be historically terrible.

So many players who started off poorly showed this season they could become really quality players.  McLemore, KCP, Len, Noel, Porter, Muhammad, McCollum, etc.

[Evantime34]

16 and 28 for Gordon? Without hesitation.

I agree that he doesn't really fit the personnel the Magic have, since it looks like the 3 players they are building around can't shoot enough to space the floor (Payton, Vucevic, Oladipo) and neither can Gordon.

That being said I think it makes a lot more sense for the Magic to use Gordon with their pick to try to move up or wait to trade him until he has developed more and increases his value. Trading Gordon now for anything less than a high lottery pick would be foolish. We all knew that he would take a few years to develop, so trading him before he does so isn't a good idea.

[loco_91]

Magic GM Rob Hennigan says the club “intends” to bring back F Tobias Harris – a restricted free agent – “no matter what” the cost this summer. At $15 mill per year? Seeing is believing.

In addition the Magic are in line to draft SF Winslow or PF Porzingis. Or perhaps Johnson or WCS ,depending on how the lotto/draft shakes down. 

Gordon did not fit very well with the Magic last season plus are in line of a possible log jam in the pf/sf position. And he still has some more developing to do.

If they do bring back sf/pf Harris, draft one of the players above and are willing to take the 16 and 28 pick for Gordon, would you take the trade?

As some people here know, I'm a big fan of Gordon.  He is a mature player that is a really bad fit with an overall immature Magic team.   

Gordon adds the frontcourt explosiveness/above the rim play this team can use and would make Sullinger/KO or Zeller life easier on the defensive end.   

yay or nay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Fhin-1u3w

Yay. Gordon is like Josh Smith's smart cousin. Combo forward who plays elite D, is versatile offensively and very effective inside, but can't shoot it at all. Smith, unfortunately, negates his considerable talent by insisting on shooting the ball at every opportunity, but Gordon will hopefully be more disciplined.

[Tr1boy]

Magic GM Rob Hennigan says the club “intends” to bring back F Tobias Harris – a restricted free agent – “no matter what” the cost this summer. At $15 mill per year? Seeing is believing.

In addition the Magic are in line to draft SF Winslow or PF Porzingis. Or perhaps Johnson or WCS ,depending on how the lotto/draft shakes down. 

Gordon did not fit very well with the Magic last season plus are in line of a possible log jam in the pf/sf position. And he still has some more developing to do.

If they do bring back sf/pf Harris, draft one of the players above and are willing to take the 16 and 28 pick for Gordon, would you take the trade?

As some people here know, I'm a big fan of Gordon.  He is a mature player that is a really bad fit with an overall immature Magic team.   

Gordon adds the frontcourt explosiveness/above the rim play this team can use and would make Sullinger/KO or Zeller life easier on the defensive end.   

yay or nay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Fhin-1u3w

Yay. Gordon is like Josh Smith's smart cousin. Combo forward who plays elite D, is versatile offensively and very effective inside, but can't shoot it at all. Smith, unfortunately, negates his considerable talent by insisting on shooting the ball at every opportunity, but Gordon will hopefully be more disciplined.

Interesting comparison

[Eddie20]

Magic GM Rob Hennigan says the club “intends” to bring back F Tobias Harris – a restricted free agent – “no matter what” the cost this summer. At $15 mill per year? Seeing is believing.

In addition the Magic are in line to draft SF Winslow or PF Porzingis. Or perhaps Johnson or WCS ,depending on how the lotto/draft shakes down. 

Gordon did not fit very well with the Magic last season plus are in line of a possible log jam in the pf/sf position. And he still has some more developing to do.

If they do bring back sf/pf Harris, draft one of the players above and are willing to take the 16 and 28 pick for Gordon, would you take the trade?

As some people here know, I'm a big fan of Gordon.  He is a mature player that is a really bad fit with an overall immature Magic team.   

Gordon adds the frontcourt explosiveness/above the rim play this team can use and would make Sullinger/KO or Zeller life easier on the defensive end.   

yay or nay?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Fhin-1u3w

Yay. Gordon is like Josh Smith's smart cousin. Combo forward who plays elite D, is versatile offensively and very effective inside, but can't shoot it at all. Smith, unfortunately, negates his considerable talent by insisting on shooting the ball at every opportunity, but Gordon will hopefully be more disciplined.

And yet, Smith was still the much superior player at the same age.  If Gordon ends up being as good as a prime Smith was I'll be surprised.

[MikeJelly]

I think BS could bring out the best in Aaron Gordon, absolutely

[Celtics4ever]

Do you think he is suited for CBS system, the guy is not really a stretch four?  His also has shown little ability to shoot.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3064290/aaron-gordon

We all know he is a rookie but is he still a good fit for us?

[Evantime34]

Do you think he is suited for CBS system, the guy is not really a stretch four?  His also has shown little ability to shoot.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/_/id/3064290/aaron-gordon

We all know he is a rookie but is he still a good fit for us?

He isn't a good shooter yet, but he could eventually become an average shooter. Think a more athletic, taller Jae Crowder. A guy who can guard 3 or 4 positions in the NBA.

[Donoghus]

The Aaron Gordon fascination continues..... 

For that price, though?  Sure thing.  However, never in a million years would ORL sell that low on a top 5 pick only one season into his career. 

[LarBrd33]

Orlando obviously isn't doing that.  The premise of this thread is absurd.  Gordon was the youngest guy in the draft. Anyone saying he "didn't fit in" is probably just looking at stats and making assumptions.   This is like another team saying, "would you trade two second rounders for James Young?"

Once again I feel folks are overestimating the value of a mid 1st.  Lower them expectations.

And yes, Boston would obviously trade those two picks for Gordon. They'd obviously do it for wiggins, Jabari, noel, exum, embiid or randle as well.  None of those trades seem plausible.  You could possibly talk me into the plausibility of trading those two picks for Noah vonleh or nick stauskas... But that speaks more to my lack of respect for the Kings and Hornets management.

Welcome to the mind of LarBrd33, a peculiar place where Smart gets underrated for being a Celtic, but Gordon gets overrated for NOT being one.

Eddie... there's no way I'd trade Smart for #16 and #28.  I rate him properly.  I've repeatedly said he's our best asset.


You're about as likely to see Orlando trade Gordon for #16 and #28 as you are to see Boston trade Smart to Houston for #18 and #32

Next time someone makes one of these silly threads, they should imagine how furious they'd be if Boston dumped Marcus Smart for those two Houston picks (#18 and #32).