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Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #165 on: April 24, 2015, 05:41:10 PM »

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That also doesn't answer the question of what you posit as a plan, or seeing worth in somethign different than your vision. I don't even know what you think. you dismiss any progress made, and you dismiss lottery (maybe? can't tell). So, what is your idea of a plan.

I don't believe the Celts are certain to be mired in mediocrity.  In fact, I believe in Danny Ainge to find a way to the promised land again.

I just can't figure out a plausible path to get there right now.  It's too murky.  I spend so much time wracking my brain trying to figure out how the Celtics are going to become exciting and genuinely competitive again, and I just don't know.  There's too much uncertainty.  That's frustrating.

I'm sure there were plenty of Rockets fans that felt the same way a few years ago.  A smart GM with assets and resources can make good stuff happen in just a few years time.  But the Celts might not get lucky.  We don't know.

I suppose it just bothers me when I feel that others are acting like there's a clear path, or that it's a sure thing.  Because I don't see it.  That's not to say it won't happen.  But I can appreciate what people find appealing about the Sixers, and especially the Pelicans.  Because the plan there is strikingly obvious, even if it is uncertain.
Pho, you're entirely right.  The team isn't in a great position right now.  It's very possible we'll be a 32-45 win team for the foreseeable future.  We have a lot of middling assets to include in trades and some cap space.  Plenty of teams can outbid us in the trade market and there are more desirable destinations for free agents.   The team is very well managed, though.  Ainge knows what he's doing.   If the opportunity presents itself, he'll jump.  The opportunity might not present itself.  Not going to be shocked if we're trying to tank next year.   It's not easy to land superstars and you can't compete without one.

I agree for the most part, and it's certainly frustrating to wonder what direction we are actually headed in. I think from listening to Ainge's explanations this season that he severely misjudged how well this team would perform post All Star break.
In my opinion he thought trading Rondo and Green would guarantee us a top 5 or 6 pick, and acquiring IT was a nice little cherry for seeing them go.
Some fans are in denial about it, but I don't there there's any doubt whatsoever that Ainge intended to bottom out this team this year.  All his quotes this season paint the picture of a guy who is keenly aware that making the playoffs with a below .500 record and getting swept isn't very beneficial. 

There's been 3 shifts this season, IMO.

#1 - Surround Rondo with superstar talent.  Top target was Love.  They would have tried to find some clever way to land Melo as well.  Had we landed Love early enough, we would have tried to fill out the roster by making a play for very available players like Asik and Afflalo.    -  We failed to land the superstar and abandoned the plan.

#2 - Get rid of all quality vets and bottom out.  Land the superstar prospect we failed to get by tanking last year.  -  That failed, because Stevens is an exceptional coach.

#3 -  Oops.. we've played ourselves out of a Top 5 pick.  Ugh.  Well... at least give them a shot and hope we can carry the good vibes into free agency (hence trying to sign McGee).  At least try to keep Stevens entertained so he doesn't jump ship to the College ranks (very real possibility in the next couple years if we don't continue forward momentum)

But the bulk of this season was dedicated to bottoming out again.   Aside from Bass, we squeezed every last drop of value out of our veteran contributors.  Had we added a top 5 pick to this roster, we'd be in pretty good position.   

As for the Thomas trade... that was on the cusp of the team realizing they wouldn't be getting a top 5 pick.  I think that was more just motivated by snatching up a valuable player on a discount.  He's a more tradeable asset this summer than the pick we gave up.   He helped us win a bit more, but it was clear even with him injured this team was overachieving their way into the also-ran playoff spot.
Still nowhere near the 15 wins you predicted for the Cs, but if Ainge was out to tank hard he could have.

I said 15-25 was our range prior to making any moves.   15 was the worst-case scenario.  We ended up flipping half our roster and getting rid of cancers like Rondo who were holding us back.  My pre-season expectations have been irrelevant for a long time.

I just said I see this team as a 32-45 win team right now.   If we go and sign LeBron James this summer, are you going to claim I predicted 32 wins?

I imagine a 46 year Lebron James reinventing himself as a point forward and averaging 15 assists a game.

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #166 on: April 24, 2015, 05:43:51 PM »

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You just proved my point.
Proclaiming victory after being challenged is your primary debate "tool".

Best part I didn't even want to make the playoffs! But what others think/feel is your area of expertise, not what others "think" they feel.
Exactly what I predicted months ago.  I've been saying this for years.  Welcome aboard.

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #167 on: April 24, 2015, 05:50:12 PM »

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Sweep was expected.  Team isn't good, but our coach is terrific.  Most tangible benefit of making the playoffs was keeping brad Stevens engaged and his players committed to him.  I've seen a lot of great coaches lose their players.  Regardless of the sweep, I think the players believe in Stevens.  Listened to Simmons/rose podcast recently and they said Stevens will be back in college within the next couple years.  Making the playoffs probably ensures that he stays another season. If Ainge works some magic and gets some real talent here, maybe this will work out.  Not a given though.  A couple more sub 500 seasons and we might have a completely new regime.   Ainge is going to need to land a big fish or two soon. 

Beyond that it's a bunch of overstated nonsense.  Having an extra week of losing basketball does very little to help the players long-term.  If anything it just hurts their confidence and humbles them.  If they react to it by going extra hard this summer, maybe it'll be a good thing.  Buts it's not like an extra 4 losses will have some grand developmental effects.   

Also, slight chance we can spin the "rising team/great coach/refusal to tank/winning atmosphere" storyline in our free agent pitches this summer.  Maybe a star player who wants out will reluctantly include Boston on their "acceptable trade destination" list. 

If you're asking me if the Charlotte Hornets are in a better position having finished with roughly the same record and having the 9th best draft odds, the answer is "probably"... But I like our coach and hope we can convince him to stay.
I think it's worth pointing out that the bobcats, whom I'm sure you agree are in a very similar position to us in terms of taken have made selections in the top 10 in each of the last 4 drafts including the #2 and #4 selections.
Front office competence matters.   Hornets (bobcats) are a poorly run organization. 

The point with my comment is that we were basically dead-even with the Bobcats heading into the final month of the season.  We surged and were rewarded with a Cavs beat-down and 16th pick.  They faltered (due to injuries) and are being rewarded with the 9th best draft odds.   

My guess is that if you were to use a time machine and go back a month and give our front office the following options:

Option 1:  Surge the last month and get beat down by the Cavs - PIck #16
Option 2:  Fizzle the last month and head into the offseason the 9th best draft odds...

My guess is our front office would rather go with Option 2...   Which is why I said they are "probably" in a better position.   I say "probably", because our front office might look at option 2 and decide, "Nah, these Brad Stevens whispers have legs... if we don't make the playoffs, he's jumping ship"
I think option 2 would be marginally better as well just thought it interesting that Charlotte has made 4 straight top 10 selections, signed a big fa and are still only in marginally better shape than us

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #168 on: April 24, 2015, 05:53:54 PM »

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Sweep was expected.  Team isn't good, but our coach is terrific.  Most tangible benefit of making the playoffs was keeping brad Stevens engaged and his players committed to him.  I've seen a lot of great coaches lose their players.  Regardless of the sweep, I think the players believe in Stevens.  Listened to Simmons/rose podcast recently and they said Stevens will be back in college within the next couple years.  Making the playoffs probably ensures that he stays another season. If Ainge works some magic and gets some real talent here, maybe this will work out.  Not a given though.  A couple more sub 500 seasons and we might have a completely new regime.   Ainge is going to need to land a big fish or two soon. 

Beyond that it's a bunch of overstated nonsense.  Having an extra week of losing basketball does very little to help the players long-term.  If anything it just hurts their confidence and humbles them.  If they react to it by going extra hard this summer, maybe it'll be a good thing.  Buts it's not like an extra 4 losses will have some grand developmental effects.   

Also, slight chance we can spin the "rising team/great coach/refusal to tank/winning atmosphere" storyline in our free agent pitches this summer.  Maybe a star player who wants out will reluctantly include Boston on their "acceptable trade destination" list. 

If you're asking me if the Charlotte Hornets are in a better position having finished with roughly the same record and having the 9th best draft odds, the answer is "probably"... But I like our coach and hope we can convince him to stay.
I think it's worth pointing out that the bobcats, whom I'm sure you agree are in a very similar position to us in terms of taken have made selections in the top 10 in each of the last 4 drafts including the #2 and #4 selections.
Front office competence matters.   Hornets (bobcats) are a poorly run organization. 

The point with my comment is that we were basically dead-even with the Hornets heading into the final month of the season.  In terms of talent, they probably have more than us (injuries were the main reason for their weak record).  Over the past month, we surged and were rewarded with a Cavs beat-down and 16th pick.  They faltered (due to injuries) and are being rewarded with the 9th best draft odds.   

Not a significant difference between the two situations, but my guess is that if you were to give the front office a time machine and let them go back and pick from the following two options:

Option 1:  Surge the last month and get beat down by the Cavs - PIck #16
Option 2:  Fizzle the last month and head into the offseason the 9th best draft odds...

My guess is our front office would rather go with Option 2...   Which is why I said they are "probably" in a better position.   I say "probably", because our front office might look at option 2 and decide, "Nah, these Brad Stevens whispers have legs... if we don't make the playoffs, he's jumping ship"
If the 9th pick turns out to be Johnson or Porzingis, I'd much rather have the 9th pick.  I find it hard to believe that Stevens would leave after 2 years on his 6 year contract.  If we had to make the playoffs to get him to stay this year, what happens next year if we regress and miss the playoffs? 

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #169 on: April 24, 2015, 05:55:42 PM »

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That also doesn't answer the question of what you posit as a plan, or seeing worth in somethign different than your vision. I don't even know what you think. you dismiss any progress made, and you dismiss lottery (maybe? can't tell). So, what is your idea of a plan.

I don't believe the Celts are certain to be mired in mediocrity.  In fact, I believe in Danny Ainge to find a way to the promised land again.

I just can't figure out a plausible path to get there right now.  It's too murky.  I spend so much time wracking my brain trying to figure out how the Celtics are going to become exciting and genuinely competitive again, and I just don't know.  There's too much uncertainty.  That's frustrating.

I'm sure there were plenty of Rockets fans that felt the same way a few years ago.  A smart GM with assets and resources can make good stuff happen in just a few years time.  But the Celts might not get lucky.  We don't know.

I suppose it just bothers me when I feel that others are acting like there's a clear path, or that it's a sure thing.  Because I don't see it.  That's not to say it won't happen.  But I can appreciate what people find appealing about the Sixers, and especially the Pelicans.  Because the plan there is strikingly obvious, even if it is uncertain.
Pho, you're entirely right.  The team isn't in a great position right now.  It's very possible we'll be a 32-45 win team for the foreseeable future.  We have a lot of middling assets to include in trades and some cap space.  Plenty of teams can outbid us in the trade market and there are more desirable destinations for free agents.   The team is very well managed, though.  Ainge knows what he's doing.   If the opportunity presents itself, he'll jump.  The opportunity might not present itself.  Not going to be shocked if we're trying to tank next year.   It's not easy to land superstars and you can't compete without one.

I agree for the most part, and it's certainly frustrating to wonder what direction we are actually headed in. I think from listening to Ainge's explanations this season that he severely misjudged how well this team would perform post All Star break.
In my opinion he thought trading Rondo and Green would guarantee us a top 5 or 6 pick, and acquiring IT was a nice little cherry for seeing them go.
Some fans are in denial about it, but I don't there there's any doubt whatsoever that Ainge intended to bottom out this team this year.  All his quotes this season paint the picture of a guy who is keenly aware that making the playoffs with a below .500 record and getting swept isn't very beneficial. 

There's been 3 shifts this season, IMO.

#1 - Surround Rondo with superstar talent.  Top target was Love.  They would have tried to find some clever way to land Melo as well.  Had we landed Love early enough, we would have tried to fill out the roster by making a play for very available players like Asik and Afflalo.    -  We failed to land the superstar and abandoned the plan.

#2 - Get rid of all quality vets and bottom out.  Land the superstar prospect we failed to get by tanking last year.  -  That failed, because Stevens is an exceptional coach.

#3 -  Oops.. we've played ourselves out of a Top 5 pick.  Ugh.  Well... at least give them a shot and hope we can carry the good vibes into free agency (hence trying to sign McGee).  At least try to keep Stevens entertained so he doesn't jump ship to the College ranks (very real possibility in the next couple years if we don't continue forward momentum)

But the bulk of this season was dedicated to bottoming out again.   Aside from Bass, we squeezed every last drop of value out of our veteran contributors.  Had we added a top 5 pick to this roster, we'd be in pretty good position.   

As for the Thomas trade... that was on the cusp of the team realizing they wouldn't be getting a top 5 pick.  I think that was more just motivated by snatching up a valuable player on a discount.  He's a more tradeable asset this summer than the pick we gave up.   He helped us win a bit more, but it was clear even with him injured this team was overachieving their way into the also-ran playoff spot.
Still nowhere near the 15 wins you predicted for the Cs, but if Ainge was out to tank hard he could have.

I said 15-25 was our range prior to making any moves.   15 was the worst-case scenario.  We ended up flipping half our roster and getting rid of cancers like Rondo who were holding us back.  My pre-season expectations have been irrelevant for a long time.

I just said I see this team as a 32-45 win team right now.   If we go and sign LeBron James this summer, are you going to claim I predicted 32 wins?

I imagine a 46 year Lebron James reinventing himself as a point forward and averaging 15 assists a game.
Is that a quote from me you dug up?   I vaguely remember saying that once.  Lol.   But I think I was being tongue-in-cheek and factoring in medical advances in 2031.  I do imagine it.  In my imagination, 16 years from now the Global Basketball Association will also be dealing with stem-cell mutations and a recruiting scandal involving Michael Jordan's clones.  Do we let them in or not?  Are we holding the adult-clones to their physical or birth age?  Should the Beijing Celtics have been allowed to sign one or do they need to be involved in the rookie draft?  Big questions to ponder.

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #170 on: April 24, 2015, 06:02:32 PM »

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That also doesn't answer the question of what you posit as a plan, or seeing worth in somethign different than your vision. I don't even know what you think. you dismiss any progress made, and you dismiss lottery (maybe? can't tell). So, what is your idea of a plan.

I don't believe the Celts are certain to be mired in mediocrity.  In fact, I believe in Danny Ainge to find a way to the promised land again.

I just can't figure out a plausible path to get there right now.  It's too murky.  I spend so much time wracking my brain trying to figure out how the Celtics are going to become exciting and genuinely competitive again, and I just don't know.  There's too much uncertainty.  That's frustrating.

I'm sure there were plenty of Rockets fans that felt the same way a few years ago.  A smart GM with assets and resources can make good stuff happen in just a few years time.  But the Celts might not get lucky.  We don't know.

I suppose it just bothers me when I feel that others are acting like there's a clear path, or that it's a sure thing.  Because I don't see it.  That's not to say it won't happen.  But I can appreciate what people find appealing about the Sixers, and especially the Pelicans.  Because the plan there is strikingly obvious, even if it is uncertain.
Pho, you're entirely right.  The team isn't in a great position right now.  It's very possible we'll be a 32-45 win team for the foreseeable future.  We have a lot of middling assets to include in trades and some cap space.  Plenty of teams can outbid us in the trade market and there are more desirable destinations for free agents.   The team is very well managed, though.  Ainge knows what he's doing.   If the opportunity presents itself, he'll jump.  The opportunity might not present itself.  Not going to be shocked if we're trying to tank next year.   It's not easy to land superstars and you can't compete without one.

I agree for the most part, and it's certainly frustrating to wonder what direction we are actually headed in. I think from listening to Ainge's explanations this season that he severely misjudged how well this team would perform post All Star break.
In my opinion he thought trading Rondo and Green would guarantee us a top 5 or 6 pick, and acquiring IT was a nice little cherry for seeing them go.
Some fans are in denial about it, but I don't there there's any doubt whatsoever that Ainge intended to bottom out this team this year.  All his quotes this season paint the picture of a guy who is keenly aware that making the playoffs with a below .500 record and getting swept isn't very beneficial. 

There's been 3 shifts this season, IMO.

#1 - Surround Rondo with superstar talent.  Top target was Love.  They would have tried to find some clever way to land Melo as well.  Had we landed Love early enough, we would have tried to fill out the roster by making a play for very available players like Asik and Afflalo.    -  We failed to land the superstar and abandoned the plan.

#2 - Get rid of all quality vets and bottom out.  Land the superstar prospect we failed to get by tanking last year.  -  That failed, because Stevens is an exceptional coach.

#3 -  Oops.. we've played ourselves out of a Top 5 pick.  Ugh.  Well... at least give them a shot and hope we can carry the good vibes into free agency (hence trying to sign McGee).  At least try to keep Stevens entertained so he doesn't jump ship to the College ranks (very real possibility in the next couple years if we don't continue forward momentum)

But the bulk of this season was dedicated to bottoming out again.   Aside from Bass, we squeezed every last drop of value out of our veteran contributors.  Had we added a top 5 pick to this roster, we'd be in pretty good position.   

As for the Thomas trade... that was on the cusp of the team realizing they wouldn't be getting a top 5 pick.  I think that was more just motivated by snatching up a valuable player on a discount.  He's a more tradeable asset this summer than the pick we gave up.   He helped us win a bit more, but it was clear even with him injured this team was overachieving their way into the also-ran playoff spot.
Still nowhere near the 15 wins you predicted for the Cs, but if Ainge was out to tank hard he could have.

I said 15-25 was our range prior to making any moves.   15 was the worst-case scenario.  We ended up flipping half our roster and getting rid of cancers like Rondo who were holding us back.  My pre-season expectations have been irrelevant for a long time.

I just said I see this team as a 32-45 win team right now.   If we go and sign LeBron James this summer, are you going to claim I predicted 32 wins?
 

Jettison Rondo and we go from 15 wins to 40? Your 15 win pre-season prediction was irrelevant when you made it. Great for garnering attention though.

You cherrypicked one line out of my post so that you could set up a straw man argument and avoid addressing a rebuttal.

Ainge wasn't trying to bottom out and an abject failure in his attempt as you claim.   Ainge is too good to be that far off the mark.

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #171 on: April 24, 2015, 06:05:26 PM »

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I said 15-25 was our range prior to making any moves.   15 was the worst-case scenario.  We ended up flipping half our roster and getting rid of cancers like Rondo who were holding us back.  My pre-season expectations have been irrelevant for a long time.

I just said I see this team as a 32-45 win team right now.   If we go and sign LeBron James this summer, are you going to claim I predicted 32 wins?

At the time Rondo was traded, they were 9-14.  So you were way off on your lower estimate, and that was a 32 win pace, so you were pretty much way off on your upper estimate.

You were wrong.

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #172 on: April 24, 2015, 06:09:39 PM »

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You can get a better player at 16 than 9th if u do ur homework right..the scouts get paid big bucks..college and NBA are 2 totally different ballgame...look at Kenneth Faried for example..playing at a small school and teams didn't do their homework on him...if draft was do again, he be a top 5 pick, not 24th
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Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #173 on: April 24, 2015, 06:14:06 PM »

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f28klp1qQGI

I believe that, no matter what the final outcome is, Brad Stevens has/is instilling in these guys the will to win. We have not quit in any of these games and that is awesome.

If we actually had a superstar or two on the team and were down 0-3 I'd be upset. But these guys? Proud of what they've overcome AND became over the last couple of months.

Bright future with this team.

I'm a LOT more happy and optimistic seeing THESE guys than our Old Guard from just two years ago OR the Old Guard from the early 90s's trying to hang on to glory.

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #174 on: April 24, 2015, 06:19:53 PM »

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well just found out I am going to Game 4 , 6th row . This will be my first playoff game, and time sitting up that close

So yea it was worth it  ;D

Awesome! Good for you.
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Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #175 on: April 24, 2015, 06:21:46 PM »

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We'll be fine in the draft. So huge for Stevens to bring this team together. Great vibes surround the organization. That is helping, along with cap space.  LeBron showing respect.  People buzzing about our future.  It's good for business. Go Celts!

Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #176 on: April 24, 2015, 06:39:17 PM »

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I said 15-25 was our range prior to making any moves.   15 was the worst-case scenario.  We ended up flipping half our roster and getting rid of cancers like Rondo who were holding us back.  My pre-season expectations have been irrelevant for a long time.

I just said I see this team as a 32-45 win team right now.   If we go and sign LeBron James this summer, are you going to claim I predicted 32 wins?

At the time Rondo was traded, they were 9-14.  So you were way off on your lower estimate, and that was a 32 win pace, so you were pretty much way off on your upper estimate.

You were wrong.
I was right.  In the alt universe where Rondo stayed, he gets frustrated with the losing record, he and Stevens have a public blow-out, Bradley gets injured playing along-side him, Rondo is sent home indefinitely to finish out his contract, Marcus Thornton and Evan Turner finish the season starting at PG/SG, Smart struggles in spot-minutes and is relegated to the d-league, the players lose trust in Stevens and start focusing on stats, Jeff Green shoots 34% for the season, we go on a 50 game losing streak, Stevens returns to College, and we finish with 15-25 wins.   Fact.  Multi-verse.  Boom.
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Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #177 on: April 24, 2015, 06:40:16 PM »

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Your assumption that pick 10 is a far more valuable asset than pick 16 is just ridiculous.  It is six picks better sure, but I would say the chances of getting a star at 10 or 16 is just about the same, slim.
In terms of the difference in 10 to 16 in terms of getting a star, historically speaking it is about a coin flip as to which spot is more likely to yield a star.

However, the difference in value for trading up is great. It is much easier to trade up to the 6th pick using the 10th pick than the 16th pick. If the end goal is to trade up as high as you can then the 10th pick is a lot more valuable.

That isn't to say I would undo the deals we made to get us to the playoffs in order to get the 10th pick.

In the end if we see someone who we think can be a star in the 6-10 range then we have more than enough assets to get up there.
The thing is, anyone available at 16 was also available at 10, so even in the years where 16 has yielded a better player than 10, you still could have had that player at 10 if you were a better drafter.  The difference between 10 and 16 is the 6 players taken from 10-15 every single year, which you will never be able to draft at 16, and which give you a much higher likelihood of getting an impact player.

EDIT: 2011 is a good example of this.  the 10th pick was Jimmer Fredette. The 16th pick was Nikola Vucevic.  11 was Klay Thompson.  12-15 were Alec Burks, the Morris twins, and Kawhi Leonard.  Thus if the Kings weren't idiots, they would have had their pick of 3 all star level players in Leonard, Thompson, and Vucevic or 3 solid rotational players in Burks and the Morris brothers, but instead they took Fredette.  That is the advantage of 10 vs. 16.  And while 2011 was a bit rare with the shear quality of player still on the board at 10, every year there are a lot more quality players available at 10 than 16.

And I could point to Vucevic at 16, Iman Shumpert at 17, Tobias Harris at 19, Montiejunas at 20, Farried at 22, Mirotic at 23, Reggie Jackson at 24, Cory Joseph at 29, and Jimmy Butler at 30, Chandler Parsons at 38, and Isaiah Thomas at 60 as still available.  If we'd have pulled Vucevic, Chandler Parsons, and Isaiah Thomas out of that draft, could anyone be complaining?  We'd probably be a third seed this year.

We could have done awesome with picks 16 and later, we could have drafted Fredette with the 10th pick.  It isn't the position you draft, it is invariably who you take.

I suspect 2012 is more the usual than 2011 though.  Take a look at that draft and tell me 10 and 16 made a huge difference.  Picks 10-16 are all pretty unremarkable.
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Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #178 on: April 24, 2015, 06:52:51 PM »

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Absolutely. The country knows the progress that the franchise has made.

Now, the pressure is on Ainge to put the pieces on the floor next season to be better. No stepping back. Time to convert assets into improvement on the floor.
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Re: Was this playoff appearance worth it?
« Reply #179 on: April 24, 2015, 07:01:45 PM »

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I said 15-25 was our range prior to making any moves.   15 was the worst-case scenario.  We ended up flipping half our roster and getting rid of cancers like Rondo who were holding us back.  My pre-season expectations have been irrelevant for a long time.

I just said I see this team as a 32-45 win team right now.   If we go and sign LeBron James this summer, are you going to claim I predicted 32 wins?

At the time Rondo was traded, they were 9-14.  So you were way off on your lower estimate, and that was a 32 win pace, so you were pretty much way off on your upper estimate.

You were wrong.
I was right.  In the alt universe where Rondo stayed, he gets frustrated with the losing record, he and Stevens have a public blow-out, Bradley gets injured playing along-side him, Rondo is sent home indefinitely to finish out his contract, Marcus Thornton and Evan Turner finish the season starting at PG/SG, Smart struggles in spot-minutes and is relegated to the d-league, the players lose trust in Stevens and start focusing on stats, Jeff Green shoots 34% for the season, we go on a 50 game losing streak, Stevens returns to College, and we finish with 15-25 wins.   Fact.  Multi-verse.  Boom.

In the alt universe where you stay, you are right.