if we sign Monroe and draft a center, how many wins

[Future Celtics Owner]

I like Turner for the draft in the 9-12 range. But I am still keeping hope that we draft Karl Towns by getting lucky in the lottery.

[arctic 3.0]

For this discussion Any center that's realistic in the 10 to 15 range Frank Kaminski ,W.C.S.,  Miles Turner how many wins if we signed Monroe and draft a legitimate center

The problem with Greg Monroe, who I really like as a player, is he's really best playing the 5. SVG found that out this year. He and Drummond often start together and depending on match-up might play a fair amount together, but Monroe does all his damage within 17 ft of the basket. If your gonna try to have him play the 4, you need a 5 who can not only protect the rim but also can stretch the floor.

Not impossible, Myles Turner kinda fits that mold, but it's easier finding a 4 who can shoot and defend than a 5. A back-court like Monroe/ WCS just doesn't space the floor enough for us. Even with Olynyk as the 3rd big.

Athletic 4 next to Monroe would be ideal.
Who could we target in FA/trade/draft?

[Evantime34]

While Monroe might not be a great shot blocker, but he is an upgrade over Zeller at the 5. I think pairing him with Olynyk and 3 other shooters would make for a high quality offense. The defense on the other hand wouldn't be great.

As to how many wins, Monroe would add? If you believe in win Shares he has consistently been good for 6 to 7 wins a year. I'm not sure how much of an effect the rookie we draft will have in their first season.

I think Looney would be a good fit at the 4 long term next to Monroe. He is a stretch 4 with long arms that can block shots and should be able to eventually knock down the 3.

[chambers]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

[wdleehi]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

NBA only goes in a direction until someone with the opposite talent ends up on a team with enough talent for him to be successful.  Then it becomes "the new direction of the NBA"

[rondohondo]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

NBA only goes in a direction until someone with the opposite talent ends up on a team with enough talent for him to be successful.  Then it becomes "the new direction of the NBA"

agreed tp

[chambers]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

NBA only goes in a direction until someone with the opposite talent ends up on a team with enough talent for him to be successful.  Then it becomes "the new direction of the NBA"

No, the NBA generally goes the way of the NBA superstar and the Hawks and Spurs have proven that even without a current top 5 (or perhaps 10) player you can beat the best players in the world to some extent.
Stars will probably always rule the NBA because a basketball court is just so small and the best players have so much impact on the overall outcome in that confined space, but
three point shooting and efficiency are ever increasing para-mounts and they've never been so heralded/important in relative success.

The NBA still gravitates towards a superstars game, but coaching and strategy are making the fight closer and more tactical than it's ever been. The new draft changes will favor this revolution even more.

[Evantime34]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

NBA only goes in a direction until someone with the opposite talent ends up on a team with enough talent for him to be successful.  Then it becomes "the new direction of the NBA"

I can absolutely see a market correction coming in a few years. If every team is running out stretch perimeter 4's then a team with a good post scoring 4 can dominate.

Monroe might not be the perfect fit for a center at the NBA level because he doesn't protect the rim. He does however, score the ball and rebound well making him a big upgrade over Zeller.

[wdleehi]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

NBA only goes in a direction until someone with the opposite talent ends up on a team with enough talent for him to be successful.  Then it becomes "the new direction of the NBA"

No, the NBA generally goes the way of the NBA superstar and the Hawks and Spurs have proven that even without a current top 5 (or perhaps 10) player you can beat the best players in the world to some extent.
Stars will probably always rule the NBA because a basketball court is just so small and the best players have so much impact on the overall outcome in that confined space, but
three point shooting and efficiency are ever increasing para-mounts and they've never been so heralded/important in relative success.

The NBA still gravitates towards a superstars game, but coaching and strategy are making the fight closer and more tactical than it's ever been. The new draft changes will favor this revolution even more.

Except the Spurs have an elite level big man the plays close to the basket in Duncan, the Hawks have won nothing.  The Spurs have stars.



Didn't we hear this same thing the one year Detroit won, only to watch star lead teams win most the titles after that?

[tazzmaniac]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

NBA only goes in a direction until someone with the opposite talent ends up on a team with enough talent for him to be successful.  Then it becomes "the new direction of the NBA"

No, the NBA generally goes the way of the NBA superstar and the Hawks and Spurs have proven that even without a current top 5 (or perhaps 10) player you can beat the best players in the world.
Three point shooting and efficiency are ever increasing paramounts and they've never been so heralded/important in relative success.

The NBA still gravitates towards a superstars game, but coaching and strategy are making the fight closer than it's ever been. The new draft changes will favor this revolution even more.

Superstars are important

Let's see what the Hawks do in the playoffs before declaring them proof of anything.  Personally, I think the East is the Cavs to win or lose.  As for the Spurs, they have Duncan, Parker and Leonard so they are hardly devoid of stars.  I'm not sure what new draft changes you are referring to but the NBA is still going to be about stars.     

[SHAQATTACK]

Nice player.

Not sure he is the right fit exactly.

Gonna give Sully another chance.   He can generate offense and rebounds too.

We need a big big dude ....  a huge defensive man in the paint to match up with certain teams that carry a giant front line.

Celtics need the ability to play big and tuff inside at times......Bass and Sully are too short. Zeller not enough beef and Kelly not enough meanness and fight .

[Csfan1984]

I'd like Monroe or big AL but that brings up questions on Sully IMO. As others have said in the paint bigs are not the same need in today's game. One major low post scorer is all you want in your big man rotation. Need more defenders and spread the floor guys. PnR and stretch are what works right now. Only exception is space eaters with big size and length like a Drummond, Gasol, Gobert, Jordan and to some degree Duncan. (Hibbert could be space eater but he disappears) So basically if Cs sign Monroe or AL, Sully would likely be traded. And Monroe and AL may not fit the philosophy of today's big man roles. Yet they are very good low post bigs, decent rebounders and man defenders at the 5 even Sully is ok. At the 4 they get shredded on D but can score easily. A lot comes down to strategy.

Drummond and Monroe doesn't really work as Pistons record shows so I feel Monroe is better at the 5 with an athletic 4 that can at least shoot from 17'. Bass, Ibaka are good PFs that fit. Porzingis, Portis, and Harrell may be draft options that fit.

Still you have a low post big already in Sully so is it wise to invest $ in another low post big that has many of the same flaws? WCS if available would be great with (under 250lb) Sully. Porzingis, or Portis would also look good with (over 255lb) Sully.

[European NBA fan]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

NBA only goes in a direction until someone with the opposite talent ends up on a team with enough talent for him to be successful.  Then it becomes "the new direction of the NBA"

No, the NBA generally goes the way of the NBA superstar and the Hawks and Spurs have proven that even without a current top 5 (or perhaps 10) player you can beat the best players in the world to some extent.
Stars will probably always rule the NBA because a basketball court is just so small and the best players have so much impact on the overall outcome in that confined space, but
three point shooting and efficiency are ever increasing para-mounts and they've never been so heralded/important in relative success.

The NBA still gravitates towards a superstars game, but coaching and strategy are making the fight closer and more tactical than it's ever been. The new draft changes will favor this revolution even more.

Except the Spurs have an elite level big man the plays close to the basket in Duncan, the Hawks have won nothing.  The Spurs have stars.



Didn't we hear this same thing the one year Detroit won, only to watch star lead teams win most the titles after that?

KG was barely considered a top ten player, when he came to Boston. You don't need top five or top ten stars. You need players with the potential to be that. Considering Detroit, Ben Wallace was really a top ten player, when you look at impact, but defensive players don't get that recognition.

[Moranis]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

How good a defender was Chris Bosh?  How about Pau Gasol?  How about Dirk Nowitzki?  How about Shaq in 06 (with Haslem as the PF and Toine as the SF)?  Those are your best big man from every champion since the 05 Pistons, aside from KG and TD (both great defenders, though neither a shot blocker).  This trend you think exists, not so much.  And frankly I expect the Cavs and Kevin Love to win the title this year.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Monroe is fools gold to me. In the modern NBA you need your big men to be able to defend.As the NBA progresses more and more to inside out games we're going to need bigs that can shoot in the pick and roll and pick and pop, and now in this new era- shoot from deep.... and defend the rim ala Myles Turner and Bobby Portis.
The Spurs have shown this. The Bulls, the Thunder, Clippers, Pacers, Hawks, Pelicans have shown this.  Would I be right if I said only Memphis with Randolph have an inferior/average defender at the 4 of the best 8 teams in the NBA? Can't think of any other weaker combos being significantly held up other than perhaps the new Thunder duo of Ibaka and Adams and even then Adams is improving significantly, very quickly.

Would far rather go after Roy Hibbert or DeAndre Jordan over this guy- he just doens't fit with Stevens system and only hurts spacing- meanwhile having zero positive effect on the defensive end.

In other words, he'll hurt our spacing on the offensive end and be a neutral/negative on the defensive end. He's a suckers max player in the modern NBA. Can't play D and can't shoot past 5 feet.

Your fascination with Hibbert is showing