#DeflateGate (Court of Appeals Reinstates Suspension)

[mahonedog88]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/myers-roger-goodell-suspend-tom-brady-deflategate-article-1.2215881

So it's only one report, but according to the New York Times, Brady's definitely being suspended.  The league office 100% buys into the Wells Report and will suspend him for both cheating, and failure to fully comply with the investigation  Now it's just matter of how many games.  Can't say I didn't see this coming.

First of all, the New York Daily News is not the New York Times.. in pretty much the same way in which the Washington Generals are not the Washington Wizards. And second, Goodell already said he's not handing the suspension, so I guess they have to get their sources straight?

Wups, I meant New York Daily News, my bad on that one.  As for Goodell not handling the suspension...do you really believe that?  I get that he said Troy Vincent will handle it, but I think everyone is in agreement that's just an attempt by Goodell to cover his behind.  Because regardless of what the suspension turns out to be, there's going to be a contingent of fans unhappy with it, so Goodell now has the out of "well don't blame me, I wasn't the one who handed it out".  But the fact is, the buck always ultimately stops with Goodell in these cases and the praise or blame will always go to him

[GreenFaith1819]

Pats great Bruschi supporting NE

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12852559/don-shula-takes-shot-new-england-patriots-says-miami-dolphins-deflate-balls

But Shula taking a shot at you all LOL

DAVIE, Fla. -- Hall of Famer Don Shula, the winningest head coach in NFL history, took a not-so-subtle shot at the New England Patriots and their latest "Deflategate" controversy on Saturday.


"Our record in those 50 years was always done with a lot of class, a lot of dignity, a lot of doing it the right way. We didn't deflate any balls."




Hall of Fame coach Don Shula

Serving as a guest of honor at the Miami Dolphins' 50th season celebration, Shula praised how the organization developed its football tradition "the right way," while slighting the rival Patriots.

"Our record in those 50 years was always done with a lot of class, a lot of dignity, a lot of doing it the right way," Shula said during his speech. "We didn't deflate any balls."

Shula was asked after his speech by the local media to elaborate on his Patriots comment.

"I coached for 33 years and I've never once in that 33-year period of time ever even talked or heard anyone talk about the air in the football," Shula said. "So I'm not going to start talking about the air in the football."

Shula declined to comment whether New England's latest cheating scandal tarnishes the Patriots' legacy of four Super Bowl championships in the past 14 years.

This is not the first time Shula has had disparaging remarks about the Patriots. He also was critical of the Patriots in the past during New England's initial "Spygate" controversy.

I'll just dedicate this song to NE:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zof07-6LOyE

"Kick em when they up, kick em when they down" LOL

[GratefulCs]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/myers-roger-goodell-suspend-tom-brady-deflategate-article-1.2215881

So it's only one report, but according to the New York Times, Brady's definitely being suspended.  The league office 100% buys into the Wells Report and will suspend him for both cheating, and failure to fully comply with the investigation  Now it's just matter of how many games.  Can't say I didn't see this coming.

First of all, the New York Daily News is not the New York Times... in pretty much the same way in which the Washington Generals are not the Washington Wizards. And second, Goodell already said he's not handing the suspension, so I guess they have to get their sources straight?

ok, at SOME point in my life, i'm going to use that whole washington wizards/washington generals line



And i'll do my best to attribute it to the great kozlodoev


But for now, a TP to you sir

[GratefulCs]

The NFL just needs to be honest and explain the typical NFL standard and the different standards they hold the Patriots to so everyone knows what to shoot for.

Some people can't stand greatness


Dead serious

[Granath]

The NFL just needs to be honest and explain the typical NFL standard and the different standards they hold the Patriots to so everyone knows what to shoot for.

Some people can't stand greatness


Dead serious

It's funny to see the lengths some people will go to to justify, excuse or dismiss cheating.

[KG Living Legend]

 Does everyone know that the Colts had 4 deflated balls according to the wells report. There were two separate tests of the four balls. One guy had all 4 balls under for the Colts the other guy had one ball under. And they said they only had time to measure four balls. So do you suspend Luck too?

[KG Living Legend]

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.2212666!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_400/balls1.jpg

[PhoSita]

The NFL just needs to be honest and explain the typical NFL standard and the different standards they hold the Patriots to so everyone knows what to shoot for.

Some people can't stand greatness


Dead serious

It's funny to see the lengths some people will go to to justify, excuse or dismiss cheating.

How about this -- it's a league full of teams that bend the rules, work around the rules, and outright break the rules, all the time. 

I am confident that fiddling with the inflation of the footballs was one of many underhanded things that both teams did to try and gain an edge in the AFC Championship game.  I am also confident that it had a pretty minor impact on the outcome of the game. 

I am confident that behavior like that happens all the time, regardless of which team in the league we're talking about, and that some of the things we don't know about would make #DeflateGate seem laughable by comparison.

So I guess that's why it just seems ridiculous to me to act like this deflating balls thing, on its own, stands as this grave indictment of the Patriots specifically, and tarnishes their accomplishments.

It's a league of cheaters.



www.yourteamcheats.com


That does not mean the Pats shouldn't be punished, by the way.  Punish them.  Punish Brady.  But the punishment should fit the crime, in terms of the impact the crime had on the vaunted "integrity of the game," and in light of the regime of rules enforcement, which is a total joke.

[PhoSita]

http://wp.me/p14QSB-9LLj

Referee Walt Anderson didn’t clearly recall which gauge he used to set the pressure in the Patriots balls at 12.5 PSI before the game.  Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.   

[knuckleballer]

http://wp.me/p14QSB-9LLj

Referee Walt Anderson didn’t clearly recall which gauge he used to set the pressure in the Patriots balls at 12.5 PSI before the game.  Page 52 of the Wells report reveals that it was Anderson’s “best recollection” that he used before the game the gauge with the logo and the longer, crooked needle. In other words, Anderson recalls using the gauge before the game that, based on the halftime measurements, leads to a finding of no tampering.   

Even if Anderson was mistaken about which gauge he used, the balls would still only be a few tenths under pressure and that is using a lot of guesses and assumptions as data points with no range given for margin of error.  A few tenths is nothing.  The refs' gauges aren't even in sync more accurately than that. 

The Colts raised this issue because of the earlier game in Indy.  McNally was a thousand miles away for that game.  The ball intercepted by the Colts was measured by their equipment manager at 11.45 psi which is precisely where it should have been given the temperature.

So why did the NFL open up a 5 million dollar investigation?  This was never about balls being one or two psi under inflated as reported. 

Now we are left with guesses at pregame and half time locker room temperatures, guessing at which gauges were used, relying on refs hurrying to gauge footballs and trying to estimate exactly what they did and when as just two minutes are crucial to the results, trying to simulate the wetness of balls in that game's conditions and its effects, studying the effects of rubbing footballs, deciphering text messages, analyzing pee breaks, among other nonsense. 

In the end we are left with no answers, but with ruined reputations.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Okay, Shula. I'm sure there were ZERO players on your teams who did steroids.

[GratefulCs]

The NFL just needs to be honest and explain the typical NFL standard and the different standards they hold the Patriots to so everyone knows what to shoot for.

Some people can't stand greatness


Dead serious

It's funny to see the lengths some people will go to to justify, excuse or dismiss cheating.

so where do you draw the line?


Do you think the celts were cheaters for pumping heat through the opponents locker room?

Or for knowing about dead spots on the court?


There's cheating and CHEATING



P.S. Granath can't stand the pats' greatness

[mahonedog88]

Adam Schefter reporting discipline expected to come soon, this week at some point..."imminent" is the word he used and that the "vibe" he's gotten from speaking to his sources is that it's a foregone conclusion Brady will be suspended for "some length of time"

Schefter is rarely wrong so you can pretty much take this to the bank.  I keep hearing the growing comparison to PEDs...PEDs are considered to be a competitive advantage and a punishment for a first timer is 4 games.  What Brady is technically accused of can also be considered a "competitive advantage" so I don't think this argument is that out of this world.

My final prediction is that it will initially be 4 games, but Brady will appeal, and without definitive evidence, the league will shave off a game...so 3 games, then the Pats have the week 4 bye, and then he's back for week 5.

[Donoghus]

I would love to see what happens if this got in the hands of an independent arbitrator.

From PFT: http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/05/11/nflpa-hopes-kraft-pushes-for-neutral-arbitration/

[D.o.s.]

Adam Schefter reporting discipline expected to come soon, this week at some point..."imminent" is the word he used and that the "vibe" he's gotten from speaking to his sources is that it's a foregone conclusion Brady will be suspended for "some length of time"

Schefter is rarely wrong so you can pretty much take this to the bank.  I keep hearing the growing comparison to PEDs...PEDs are considered to be a competitive advantage and a punishment for a first timer is 4 games.  What Brady is technically accused of can also be considered a "competitive advantage" so I don't think this argument is that out of this world.

My final prediction is that it will initially be 4 games, but Brady will appeal, and without definitive evidence, the league will shave off a game...so 3 games, then the Pats have the week 4 bye, and then he's back for week 5.

You trust Schefter after the Dez Bryant Tapes That Weren't? Also, I thought "nobody cared" about PEDs anymore, so we weren't allowed to make that comparison. 

Anyway, predictions: Brady gets 2 games (not because he should, but because the NFL has effectively backed itself into a corner) and a big fine. The Pats get a big fine. The games get appealed, the fines stand.