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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #60 on: January 10, 2015, 02:31:09 PM »

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DANNY MUST GO.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD JEFF GREEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE SHOULD STILL HAVE RONDO, PERK, PAUL and KG and SOME YOUNG TALENT
AND DOC RIVERS

DANNY IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.

Why stop there? Posey, Scal, Cassell, and Sheed look like they're still in decent shape. Who cares if we wouldn't make the playoffs? The nostalgia would be amazing and during the game we could sit and stare at the 2008 banner all night long.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #61 on: January 10, 2015, 02:33:12 PM »

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? WHAT I SAID IS TRUE
NO NEED TO MAKE UNCONNECTED STATEMENT

KEEP DEFENDING DANNY

CELTICS A CELLAR TEAM FOR AT LEAST 5 MORE YEARS.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #62 on: January 10, 2015, 02:34:43 PM »

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The OP is another person who fails the marshmallow test.

Huh?

Don't even bother. It's the stupidest most condescending demonstration ever about how patience pays off.

Well here it is: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ

He was suggesting that the people who hate what's happening here want instant gratification.  The kind of people who would rather see us make the playoffs with the 8th seed than land a Top 5 pick.

Honestly, I think it's less "impatience" and more just ignorance.  No fault of their own, a lot of people who hate what is happening here are just casual fans who don't follow the league closely enough.  Frankly, they just don't understand how the league works.  I'm not holding against them.  I invest way too much of my personal time reading about NBA transactions.  I'm definitely not looking down on being a casual fans who show up to games and cheer for their favorite players.   I try explaining to my cousins in Boston why I love what's going on and they totally don't get it.  You don't wear jerseys with your favorite pick protections and trade exceptions named on the back.  They don't get it either.  On the flip side, they can talk to me about the Patriots and I will not have a clue what they are talking about.  Brady still plays there, right?

Unfortunately, a lot of these people seem to assume their favorite players just magically appear on the team.  Like one day, "oh hey... this James Young kid looks good!"... Like he was gifted to us through some miracle virgin basketball birth.   They don't realize that we got James young with the #17 pick.  They don't realize that we got the #17 pick by trading KG and Pierce a year ago... one of several picks we received from that trade that are coming. 

No, they just seem to think James Young fell from the sky.  Like he was a walk-on for our D-league team and we decided to give the kid a crack at it. 

The same people who would lose their mind over us moving Rondo and Green fail to acknowledge that we landed Rondo after the Suns drafted him with the #21 pick in 2006 and we traded a 2007 Cleveland pick for him (that we acquired in a previous trade).

Nope... Rondo just fell from the sky.

Same people losing their minds over Jeff Green probably don't understand that we received Jeff Green (this time around) by trading Kendrick Perkins for him... and that we received Kendrick Perkins after Memphis drafted him #27 and we traded for him on draft night.   

Nope... Green was the result of virgin birth.

Or hey... how about the fact that we whiffed on the 2007 draft and ended up getting Jeff Green with the #5 pick, but salvaged the situation by moving Green for Ray Allen... and later moved Big Al (taken #15), Gerald Green (taken #18) and others for Kevin Garnett.

Nah... Kg just decided to show up one day and win us a title.

All their other current favorite players like Sully (taken #21), Smart (taken #6), Olynyk (taken  #13), appeared magically as well.

 Players enter the league through the draft.  When you draft a guy in the 1st round, they are stuck on your team for at least 4 years at bargain prices.   Ainge very smartly dumped dead weight and somehow acquired a ton of picks out of it.   If someone you know doesn't see how this team is set up for incredible success long-term, they simply don't understand what's going on.   It's going over their head.  Trust me... this is awesome.   Ainge is doing everything he can to set this team up long-term.

For folks like me who pay unreasonably close attention to this nonsense, we've been waiting for this since 2011.   May 7, 2011 is when the Celtics stopped being a legitimate contender.  It sounds absurb, but that was the day Shaq played his last game.  From that point on, the Celtics lacked a legitimate center.   We overachieved on an extended victory lap that lasted a while longer, but the rebuild was effectively in motion at that point.  Where we are right now was inevitable.   It took a little longer than I would have liked, but Ainge has done a fantastic job of laying the groundwork for the future.  I do wish we had started sooner, but I'm rather pleased we finally got here.
very good post lb. it was worth the time and thought you invested in it. tp.

this is a difficult time for the celtics fans. we all want success and wins for the team. ainge has driven the team down a new, unexplored, innovative highway to get us to the promised land. i am optimistic, but i dont fool myself into thinking it is automatically going to happen. pots holes, flat tires, and deranged hitchhikers abound.

the celtics are now in a very interesting rebuild position. they have as much flexibility and assets for a rebuild over the next 4 years (and growing) as any team in nba history i think.

to help keep my spirits up, i tend to look less at w/l this season...and next...and more at the games and risks and choices danny will be making with this cornucopia of assets.

it keeps me entertained if nothing else.  :D
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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #63 on: January 10, 2015, 02:35:32 PM »

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DANNY MUST GO.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD JEFF GREEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE SHOULD STILL HAVE RONDO, PERK, PAUL and KG and SOME YOUNG TALENT
AND DOC RIVERS

DANNY IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.

Why stop there? Posey, Scal, Cassell, and Sheed look like they're still in decent shape. Who cares if we wouldn't make the playoffs? The nostalgia would be amazing and during the game we could sit and stare at the 2008 banner all night long.

LOL! TP

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #64 on: January 10, 2015, 02:37:24 PM »

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DANNY MUST GO.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD JEFF GREEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE SHOULD STILL HAVE RONDO, PERK, PAUL and KG and SOME YOUNG TALENT
AND DOC RIVERS

DANNY IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.
shout much?

just curious, but do you actually think the corpses of kg and perk would make the celtics today a viable team? if so, please explain (using some lower case letters) how so?
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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #65 on: January 10, 2015, 02:39:55 PM »

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DANNY MUST GO.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD JEFF GREEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE SHOULD STILL HAVE RONDO, PERK, PAUL and KG and SOME YOUNG TALENT
AND DOC RIVERS

DANNY IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.
Actually if you wanna get technical about it, we should still have Jerome Moiso and Jiri Welsch.  *shrug*.   We only got Perk/Green and Rondo by trading those guys.

The idiot probably should have just kept Moiso and Welsch.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #66 on: January 10, 2015, 02:43:38 PM »

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I disagree with every single thing Danny Ainge has done since 2007.
That is all the clue you need.
There is no future to look forward to.
We should still have Doc, Paul and KG retire Celtics, Rondo,
and Perk, and Tony Allen, and Ray should have been kept,
so much Danny did wrong I mean 100% wrong since 2007
there is no possible excuse except that he doesn't know what he is doing.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #67 on: January 10, 2015, 02:44:11 PM »

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THIS train wreck of a team that Danny has put together...how the heck do we go from championship contender to this? I know our superstars were aging, but seriously this is the best Danny could do?

Forgive me, I'm just tired of this crap. We are the BOSTON CELTICS, a STAPLE in this league...The house that RED built and we're being laughed at by Raptor fans?


I remember the Celtics being terrible since I was about 12 except for the one season they overachieved and got destroyed by the Nets in the ECF....and I'm 32.  Ainge made them good for the only time in my adult life and when he took the team over they were worse than they are now by a long shot.  They were hopeless.

Now, we had a chance to dump KG (shell of himself), Pierce (still good but can't carry a team single handedly) for a murder's row of assets that don't really come into effect until the end of next season, when we start getting the Nets picks and dump Wallace's contract.  At the end of next season, we'll have like 30 million in cap space and a bunch of lottery picks.  We won't be good yet, but that's what you need to get good.  Getting good is something your team has to earn, it isn't something you're entitled to.

Do you even remember the last season with KG, Pierce and Rondo as our stars?  We came in 7th in the East and lost 4-2 to the Knicks.  That season was like 100x more depressing than watching our team rebuild.  I don't know what moves anybody could have done to keep the train rolling, but I wouldn't take back any of the moves to win a championship back and after that, I mean what star could we have added?  Josh Smith?

All I can think of when people get pessimistic like that is the "don't care how, I want it now!" part of this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wzr12gBrXA8

LOL yes, thank you for calling them out!. TP

For those people, I challenge you to find either:

A.) A franchise (any sport) where they were competitive EVERY year of existence

And/or B.) A team that, while being aggressive, never had a losing season with a roster of bloated contracts of useless players and rookies who were fighting for a spot in the league.
The Nets will finish with the worst record and the Celtics will end up with the 4th pick.

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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #68 on: January 10, 2015, 02:45:55 PM »

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DANNY MUST GO.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD JEFF GREEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE SHOULD STILL HAVE RONDO, PERK, PAUL and KG and SOME YOUNG TALENT
AND DOC RIVERS

DANNY IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.

Lets see what he does first, okay?

I myself disagreed with the tanking idea but he looks like he has a plan in place. Give him two or three years. If by 2017 and this team still looks like its not even close to being contending for a Playoff spot, then we should let him go.

Danny thinks he can land us a player we can build around if we blow it up, then lets atleast make him execute that plan. I know, it sad that the team would be bottom dwellers for this year and maybe the next, but let the man do what he intended to do first.

Either he gets us bavk on top or destroys us for the next decade, we have to see what Danny first before we can ax him. I've come to accept this already.
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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #69 on: January 10, 2015, 02:47:07 PM »

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wow! wow! wow!

sooo judging by some of these posts Danny is [dang]ed either way.

way to convince us why danny should go.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #70 on: January 10, 2015, 02:48:20 PM »

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I disagree with every single thing Danny Ainge has done since 2007.
That is all the clue you need.
There is no future to look forward to.
We should still have Doc, Paul and KG retire Celtics, Rondo,
and Perk, and Tony Allen, and Ray should have been kept,
so much Danny did wrong I mean 100% wrong since 2007
there is no possible excuse except that he doesn't know what he is doing.

It's ironic that in the same post you say "there is no future to look forward to", but then say "we should still have KG (age 38), Pierce (age 37), and Ray (age 39)".

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #71 on: January 10, 2015, 02:51:01 PM »

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The problem is Danny doesn't seem to have a clue what he wants to do.

He is gathering picks if you can't see that I feel sorry for you.  I can easy see that, why can't you?
He tried to add a piece this summer to go with Rondo and Green it didn't work out.   So now time for plan B the long rebuild.

Ainge knows what he is doing, things don't always go the way you want them to though.

What were the Cavs going prior to 2003, the Sonics prior to 2007 (Ray Allen and Rashard Lewis are not the answer, spending money doesn't = a plan), Lakers from 2005-2007, Miami between between Shaq and Lebron (Beasley was not the answer).
The Nets will finish with the worst record and the Celtics will end up with the 4th pick.

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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #72 on: January 10, 2015, 04:33:19 PM »

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The OP is another person who fails the marshmallow test.

Huh?

Don't even bother. It's the stupidest most condescending demonstration ever about how patience pays off.

Well here it is: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ

He was suggesting that the people who hate what's happening here want instant gratification.  The kind of people who would rather see us make the playoffs with the 8th seed than land a Top 5 pick.

Honestly, I think it's less "impatience" and more just ignorance.  No fault of their own, a lot of people who hate what is happening here are just casual fans who don't follow the league closely enough.  Frankly, they just don't understand how the league works.  I'm not holding against them.  I invest way too much of my personal time reading about NBA transactions.  I'm definitely not looking down on being a casual fans who show up to games and cheer for their favorite players.   I try explaining to my cousins in Boston why I love what's going on and they totally don't get it.  You don't wear jerseys with your favorite pick protections and trade exceptions named on the back.  They don't get it either.  On the flip side, they can talk to me about the Patriots and I will not have a clue what they are talking about.  Brady still plays there, right?

Unfortunately, a lot of these people seem to assume their favorite players just magically appear on the team.  Like one day, "oh hey... this James Young kid looks good!"... Like he was gifted to us through some miracle virgin basketball birth.   They don't realize that we got James young with the #17 pick.  They don't realize that we got the #17 pick by trading KG and Pierce a year ago... one of several picks we received from that trade that are coming. 

No, they just seem to think James Young fell from the sky.  Like he was a walk-on for our D-league team and we decided to give the kid a crack at it. 

The same people who would lose their mind over us moving Rondo and Green fail to acknowledge that we landed Rondo after the Suns drafted him with the #21 pick in 2006 and we traded a 2007 Cleveland pick for him (that we acquired in a previous trade).

Nope... Rondo just fell from the sky.

Same people losing their minds over Jeff Green probably don't understand that we received Jeff Green (this time around) by trading Kendrick Perkins for him... and that we received Kendrick Perkins after Memphis drafted him #27 and we traded for him on draft night.   

Nope... Green was the result of virgin birth.

Or hey... how about the fact that we whiffed on the 2007 draft and ended up getting Jeff Green with the #5 pick, but salvaged the situation by moving Green for Ray Allen... and later moved Big Al (taken #15), Gerald Green (taken #18) and others for Kevin Garnett.

Nah... Kg just decided to show up one day and win us a title.

All their other current favorite players like Sully (taken #21), Smart (taken #6), Olynyk (taken  #13), appeared magically as well.

 Players enter the league through the draft.  When you draft a guy in the 1st round, they are stuck on your team for at least 4 years at bargain prices.   Ainge very smartly dumped dead weight and somehow acquired a ton of picks out of it.   If someone you know doesn't see how this team is set up for incredible success long-term, they simply don't understand what's going on.   It's going over their head.  Trust me... this is awesome.   Ainge is doing everything he can to set this team up long-term.

For folks like me who pay unreasonably close attention to this nonsense, we've been waiting for this since 2011.   May 7, 2011 is when the Celtics stopped being a legitimate contender.  It sounds absurb, but that was the day Shaq played his last game.  From that point on, the Celtics lacked a legitimate center.   We overachieved on an extended victory lap that lasted a while longer, but the rebuild was effectively in motion at that point.  Where we are right now was inevitable.   It took a little longer than I would have liked, but Ainge has done a fantastic job of laying the groundwork for the future.  I do wish we had started sooner, but I'm rather pleased we finally got here.

I guess I give the average poster here a bit more credit than you do. Maybe casual fans on the street and idiots who post on Facebook don't know where James Young came from, but I'd be surprised if less than 95% of the frequent posters here know we got him with the Nets pick, and how we obtained the Nets pick(s). I know where every player on the roster came from, what picks are owed us(Green trade aside), and what our salary situation looks like. I have like, a 60 IQ. You seem to think people who don't like our current approach literally don't understand how the draft lottery works, that the better players tend to be at the top of it, or have any clue how an NBA roster is constructed. I disagree.

And your claim that we were doomed once Shaq went down strikes me as revisionist history. It's easy to say that now(since we haven't been to the finals the last few years), but KG played the 5 the second half of '11-12 at an all-star level. It may have been an easy road to the ECF with the Rose injury, but we still went 7 games and just came up a little short. I would liken characterizing that year as futile to saying they should have broken the Spurs up and traded Parker,Duncan, Ginobli back in '09-'10 after getting knocked off by the Suns. I don't fault Ainge for keeping the band together for as long as he did.

For the record, I'm okay with what's happened this year. Nobody in their right mind thought we were going to contend, and I don't think paying Rondo 5/90 this summer was a good plan either. I'm content with hard fought close losses and waiting until May something to see if they picked one of our ping pong balls this time. I just don't think that people who disagree with the direction of the team are clueless twits who don't understand the benefits of finishing at the bottom of the standings.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #73 on: January 10, 2015, 04:38:03 PM »

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The OP is another person who fails the marshmallow test.

Huh?

Don't even bother. It's the stupidest most condescending demonstration ever about how patience pays off.

Well here it is: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ

He was suggesting that the people who hate what's happening here want instant gratification.  The kind of people who would rather see us make the playoffs with the 8th seed than land a Top 5 pick.

Honestly, I think it's less "impatience" and more just ignorance.  No fault of their own, a lot of people who hate what is happening here are just casual fans who don't follow the league closely enough.  Frankly, they just don't understand how the league works.  I'm not holding against them.  I invest way too much of my personal time reading about NBA transactions.  I'm definitely not looking down on being a casual fans who show up to games and cheer for their favorite players.   I try explaining to my cousins in Boston why I love what's going on and they totally don't get it.  You don't wear jerseys with your favorite pick protections and trade exceptions named on the back.  They don't get it either.  On the flip side, they can talk to me about the Patriots and I will not have a clue what they are talking about.  Brady still plays there, right?

Unfortunately, a lot of these people seem to assume their favorite players just magically appear on the team.  Like one day, "oh hey... this James Young kid looks good!"... Like he was gifted to us through some miracle virgin basketball birth.   They don't realize that we got James young with the #17 pick.  They don't realize that we got the #17 pick by trading KG and Pierce a year ago... one of several picks we received from that trade that are coming. 

No, they just seem to think James Young fell from the sky.  Like he was a walk-on for our D-league team and we decided to give the kid a crack at it. 

The same people who would lose their mind over us moving Rondo and Green fail to acknowledge that we landed Rondo after the Suns drafted him with the #21 pick in 2006 and we traded a 2007 Cleveland pick for him (that we acquired in a previous trade).

Nope... Rondo just fell from the sky.

Same people losing their minds over Jeff Green probably don't understand that we received Jeff Green (this time around) by trading Kendrick Perkins for him... and that we received Kendrick Perkins after Memphis drafted him #27 and we traded for him on draft night.   

Nope... Green was the result of virgin birth.

Or hey... how about the fact that we whiffed on the 2007 draft and ended up getting Jeff Green with the #5 pick, but salvaged the situation by moving Green for Ray Allen... and later moved Big Al (taken #15), Gerald Green (taken #18) and others for Kevin Garnett.

Nah... Kg just decided to show up one day and win us a title.

All their other current favorite players like Sully (taken #21), Smart (taken #6), Olynyk (taken  #13), appeared magically as well.

 Players enter the league through the draft.  When you draft a guy in the 1st round, they are stuck on your team for at least 4 years at bargain prices.   Ainge very smartly dumped dead weight and somehow acquired a ton of picks out of it.   If someone you know doesn't see how this team is set up for incredible success long-term, they simply don't understand what's going on.   It's going over their head.  Trust me... this is awesome.   Ainge is doing everything he can to set this team up long-term.

For folks like me who pay unreasonably close attention to this nonsense, we've been waiting for this since 2011.   May 7, 2011 is when the Celtics stopped being a legitimate contender.  It sounds absurb, but that was the day Shaq played his last game.  From that point on, the Celtics lacked a legitimate center.   We overachieved on an extended victory lap that lasted a while longer, but the rebuild was effectively in motion at that point.  Where we are right now was inevitable.   It took a little longer than I would have liked, but Ainge has done a fantastic job of laying the groundwork for the future.  I do wish we had started sooner, but I'm rather pleased we finally got here.

I guess I give the average poster here a bit more credit than you do. Maybe casual fans on the street and idiots who post on Facebook don't know where James Young came from, but I'd be surprised if less than 95% of the frequent posters here know we got him with the Nets pick, and how we obtained the Nets pick(s). I know where every player on the roster came from, what picks are owed us(Green trade aside), and what our salary situation looks like. I have like, a 60 IQ. You seem to think people who don't like our current approach literally don't understand how the draft lottery works, that the better players tend to be at the top of it, or have any clue how an NBA roster is constructed. I disagree.

And your claim that we were doomed once Shaq went down strikes me as revisionist history. It's easy to say that now(since we haven't been to the finals the last few years), but KG played the 5 the second half of '11-12 at an all-star level. It may have been an easy road to the ECF with the Rose injury, but we still went 7 games and just came up a little short. I would liken characterizing that year as futile to saying they should have broken the Spurs up and traded Parker,Duncan, Ginobli back in '09-'10 after getting knocked off by the Suns. I don't fault Ainge for keeping the band together for as long as he did.

For the record, I'm okay with what's happened this year. Nobody in their right mind thought we were going to contend, and I don't think paying Rondo 5/90 this summer was a good plan either. I'm content with hard fought close losses and waiting until May something to see if they picked one of our ping pong balls this time. I just don't think that people who disagree with the direction of the team are clueless twits who don't understand the benefits of finishing at the bottom of the standings.
Nerf, just as long as you're aware that the deals that just transpired actually equate to Boston trading Jerome Moiso and Jiri Welsch for at least 5 draft picks + Austin Rivers.

If people understand that, they should understand why Ainge is doing a marvelous job.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #74 on: January 10, 2015, 05:06:50 PM »

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And your claim that we were doomed once Shaq went down strikes me as revisionist history. It's easy to say that now(since we haven't been to the finals the last few years), but KG played the 5 the second half of '11-12 at an all-star level. It may have been an easy road to the ECF with the Rose injury, but we still went 7 games and just came up a little short. I would liken characterizing that year as futile to saying they should have broken the Spurs up and traded Parker,Duncan, Ginobli back in '09-'10 after getting knocked off by the Suns. I don't fault Ainge for keeping the band together for as long as he did.

Agreed.  That C's team deserved another shot in 12-13 after taking the Heat to 7.  Hell, even if Ainge would have like to rebuild during the summer of 12, I'd bet that the C's ownership would have said no.  The consensus at the time was to reload, not rebuild.