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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #45 on: January 10, 2015, 02:45:48 AM »

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Why are you so combative? Please enlighten us as to what you think Ainge is going to do with his collection of protected picks, TEs, and cap space. I'd love to know.

It's easy to be the criticizer of others' ideas. It's a bit more difficult to come up with your own.
you don't get it...

Ainge is doing a fantastic job

Again, arrogant and off-putting.
You provide no answer. If you're going to be so bold, do yourself a favor and back it up. You may get more readers and (although a reach), credibility.
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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #46 on: January 10, 2015, 02:48:54 AM »

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The OP is another person who fails the marshmallow test.
TP

Why are you so combative? Please enlighten us as to what you think Ainge is going to do with his collection of protected picks, TEs, and cap space. I'd love to know.

It's easy to be the criticizer of others' ideas. It's a bit more difficult to come up with your own.
you don't get it...

Ainge is doing a fantastic job

Again, arrogant and off-putting.
You provide no answer. If you're going to be so bold, back it up. What makes you an authority??
See my other post if you want a more in-depth explanation of why this is awesome. 


Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #47 on: January 10, 2015, 04:51:46 AM »

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Huh?

Don't even bother. It's the stupidest most condescending demonstration ever about how patience pays off.

Well here it is: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ

He was suggesting that the people who hate what's happening here want instant gratification.  The kind of people who would rather see us make the playoffs with the 8th seed than land a Top 5 pick.

Honestly, I think it's less "impatience" and more just ignorance.  No fault of their own, a lot of people who hate what is happening here are just casual fans who don't follow the league closely enough.  Frankly, they just don't understand how the league works.  I'm not holding against them.  I invest way too much of my personal time reading about NBA transactions.  I'm definitely not looking down on being a casual fans who show up to games and cheer for their favorite players.   I try explaining to my cousins in Boston why I love what's going on and they totally don't get it.  You don't wear jerseys with your favorite pick protections and trade exceptions named on the back.  They don't get it either.  On the flip side, they can talk to me about the Patriots and I will not have a clue what they are talking about.  Brady still plays there, right?

Unfortunately, a lot of these people seem to assume their favorite players just magically appear on the team.  Like one day, "oh hey... this James Young kid looks good!"... Like he was gifted to us through some miracle virgin basketball birth.   They don't realize that we got James young with the #17 pick.  They don't realize that we got the #17 pick by trading KG and Pierce a year ago... one of several picks we received from that trade that are coming. 

No, they just seem to think James Young fell from the sky.  Like he was a walk-on for our D-league team and we decided to give the kid a crack at it. 

The same people who would lose their mind over us moving Rondo and Green fail to acknowledge that we landed Rondo after the Suns drafted him with the #21 pick in 2006 and we traded a 2007 Cleveland pick for him (that we acquired in a previous trade).

Nope... Rondo just fell from the sky.

Same people losing their minds over Jeff Green probably don't understand that we received Jeff Green (this time around) by trading Kendrick Perkins for him... and that we received Kendrick Perkins after Memphis drafted him #27 and we traded for him on draft night.   

Nope... Green was the result of virgin birth.

Or hey... how about the fact that we whiffed on the 2007 draft and ended up getting Jeff Green with the #5 pick, but salvaged the situation by moving Green for Ray Allen... and later moved Big Al (taken #15), Gerald Green (taken #18) and others for Kevin Garnett.

Nah... Kg just decided to show up one day and win us a title.

All their other current favorite players like Sully (taken #21), Smart (taken #6), Olynyk (taken  #13), appeared magically as well.

 Players enter the league through the draft.  When you draft a guy in the 1st round, they are stuck on your team for at least 4 years at bargain prices.   Ainge very smartly dumped dead weight and somehow acquired a ton of picks out of it.   If someone you know doesn't see how this team is set up for incredible success long-term, they simply don't understand what's going on.   It's going over their head.  Trust me... this is awesome.   Ainge is doing everything he can to set this team up long-term.

For folks like me who pay unreasonably close attention to this nonsense, we've been waiting for this since 2011.   May 7, 2011 is when the Celtics stopped being a legitimate contender.  It sounds absurb, but that was the day Shaq played his last game.  From that point on, the Celtics lacked a legitimate center.   We overachieved on an extended victory lap that lasted a while longer, but the rebuild was effectively in motion at that point.  Where we are right now was inevitable.   It took a little longer than I would have liked, but Ainge has done a fantastic job of laying the groundwork for the future.  I do wish we had started sooner, but I'm rather pleased we finally got here.

TP

ainge tried to get CP3, he tried to get west, he tried to get love, and he probably tried to get other stars. it didn't pan out.
at that point we have two options: we either move forward with KG/pierce/rondo/green/bass/bradley, a core that's not a contender and yet takes up almost all of our cap space, or we go for a rebuild.
danny wisely chose the latter. he started with a mini-rebuild when he tried to get love/melo etc. that didn't work. after that he dumped rondo and green because they were likely gone to a better team unless we severely overpaid for them. unlike the lakers, he's gotten something for almost all the players that have left (even kris humphries and jordan crawford!).
the bottom line is that i have yet to see anyone lay out the plan for how ainge could have added any star players to the old core (and please don't say "aaron afflalo", etc, he's not a star). if he could have, he would have, ainge is a competitor and wants to contend as much as anyone, but good players didn't want to play with our old/mediocre core. once you accept that fact then the rest of what has happened makes a lot more sense and is easier to digest.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #48 on: January 10, 2015, 05:43:39 AM »

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I agree 100% this is a bunch of bs. I really think the commissioner should step in. he did with the cp trade.

The league stepped in on that trade because they owned the Hornets at the time.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2015, 07:42:32 AM »

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The OP is another person who fails the marshmallow test.

Huh?

Don't even bother. It's the stupidest most condescending demonstration ever about how patience pays off.

Well here it is: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ

He was suggesting that the people who hate what's happening here want instant gratification.  The kind of people who would rather see us make the playoffs with the 8th seed than land a Top 5 pick.

Honestly, I think it's less "impatience" and more just ignorance.  No fault of their own, a lot of people who hate what is happening here are just casual fans who don't follow the league closely enough.  Frankly, they just don't understand how the league works.  I'm not holding against them.  I invest way too much of my personal time reading about NBA transactions.  I'm definitely not looking down on being a casual fans who show up to games and cheer for their favorite players.   I try explaining to my cousins in Boston why I love what's going on and they totally don't get it.  You don't wear jerseys with your favorite pick protections and trade exceptions named on the back.  They don't get it either.  On the flip side, they can talk to me about the Patriots and I will not have a clue what they are talking about.  Brady still plays there, right?

Unfortunately, a lot of these people seem to assume their favorite players just magically appear on the team.  Like one day, "oh hey... this James Young kid looks good!"... Like he was gifted to us through some miracle virgin basketball birth.   They don't realize that we got James young with the #17 pick.  They don't realize that we got the #17 pick by trading KG and Pierce a year ago... one of several picks we received from that trade that are coming. 

No, they just seem to think James Young fell from the sky.  Like he was a walk-on for our D-league team and we decided to give the kid a crack at it. 

The same people who would lose their mind over us moving Rondo and Green fail to acknowledge that we landed Rondo after the Suns drafted him with the #21 pick in 2006 and we traded a 2007 Cleveland pick for him (that we acquired in a previous trade).

Nope... Rondo just fell from the sky.

Same people losing their minds over Jeff Green probably don't understand that we received Jeff Green (this time around) by trading Kendrick Perkins for him... and that we received Kendrick Perkins after Memphis drafted him #27 and we traded for him on draft night.   

Nope... Green was the result of virgin birth.

Or hey... how about the fact that we whiffed on the 2007 draft and ended up getting Jeff Green with the #5 pick, but salvaged the situation by moving Green for Ray Allen... and later moved Big Al (taken #15), Gerald Green (taken #18) and others for Kevin Garnett.

Nah... Kg just decided to show up one day and win us a title.

All their other current favorite players like Sully (taken #21), Smart (taken #6), Olynyk (taken  #13), appeared magically as well.

 Players enter the league through the draft.  When you draft a guy in the 1st round, they are stuck on your team for at least 4 years at bargain prices.   Ainge very smartly dumped dead weight and somehow acquired a ton of picks out of it.   If someone you know doesn't see how this team is set up for incredible success long-term, they simply don't understand what's going on.   It's going over their head.  Trust me... this is awesome.   Ainge is doing everything he can to set this team up long-term.

For folks like me who pay unreasonably close attention to this nonsense, we've been waiting for this since 2011.   May 7, 2011 is when the Celtics stopped being a legitimate contender.  It sounds absurb, but that was the day Shaq played his last game.  From that point on, the Celtics lacked a legitimate center.   We overachieved on an extended victory lap that lasted a while longer, but the rebuild was effectively in motion at that point.  Where we are right now was inevitable.   It took a little longer than I would have liked, but Ainge has done a fantastic job of laying the groundwork for the future.  I do wish we had started sooner, but I'm rather pleased we finally got here.

A little harsh, but hilarious and true.  TP for you, and thank you for such an effective presentation...  ;D

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2015, 07:46:03 AM »

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Why are you so combative? Please enlighten us as to what you think Ainge is going to do with his collection of protected picks, TEs, and cap space. I'd love to know.

It's easy to be the criticizer of others' ideas. It's a bit more difficult to come up with your own.
you don't get it...

Ainge is doing a fantastic job

Again, arrogant and off-putting.
You provide no answer. If you're going to be so bold, do yourself a favor and back it up. You may get more readers and (although a reach), credibility.

Gosh, you have my sympathy.  It must be so utterly disconcerting to awake from 3 years away from CelticsBlog while in cryogenic suspension.  By the way, did you happen to run into Timothy Leary's head while you were there?

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #51 on: January 10, 2015, 08:09:04 AM »

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I just hope Danny didn't over do it. I think all the chess moves have been made and it's now time to get some serious contenders in here to start the build and put smiles on the fans faces, they deserve it!!!
I say Danny has done enough to close this year out strong and possibly has enough time to grab a late playoff spot and see how we do against one of the top eastern teams.  if for nothing else, the fans, players and Brad Stevens deserve to see this develop as they climb back into decorating the rafters with banners once again!!!!!!!

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #52 on: January 10, 2015, 08:24:25 AM »

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Stephens is an absolute cancer.  I dont want that scumbag anywhere near the Celtics.

Smart has magic powers to change the character of grown men?  Give me a break.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #53 on: January 10, 2015, 08:36:23 AM »

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ainge tried to get CP3, he tried to get west, he tried to get love, and he probably tried to get other stars. it didn't pan out.
at that point we have two options: we either move forward with KG/pierce/rondo/green/bass/bradley, a core that's not a contender and yet takes up almost all of our cap space, or we go for a rebuild.
danny wisely chose the latter. he started with a mini-rebuild when he tried to get love/melo etc. that didn't work. after that he dumped rondo and green because they were likely gone to a better team unless we severely overpaid for them. unlike the lakers, he's gotten something for almost all the players that have left (even kris humphries and jordan crawford!).
the bottom line is that i have yet to see anyone lay out the plan for how ainge could have added any star players to the old core (and please don't say "aaron afflalo", etc, he's not a star). if he could have, he would have, ainge is a competitor and wants to contend as much as anyone, but good players didn't want to play with our old/mediocre core. once you accept that fact then the rest of what has happened makes a lot more sense and is easier to digest.

TP for you too.

Oh, the naysayers will have a plan. It's always one of the following two:

1. The occasional absolutely moronic poster who posts about all the guys Ainge "missed" while drafting because the guy can look at the 45 selections made after the Celtics' choice of that year and find one that was better than the guy Ainge drafted. Because 20/20 hindsight drafting is a plan (and don't mention that the Celtics draftee was better than 9 out of 10 picks drafted after the Celtics' choice). Somehow, that equates to terrible drafting.

2. A pipe dream plan that contains the following elements (A) Rondo was staying; (B) Rondo was resigning on a team-friendly deal; (C) Rondo is a top player in the league; and (D) Rondo magically will attract other free agents who are just dying to play with him.

Those are the two "plans" you see from these kind of folks.

Danny's been walking a fine line between "rebuild" and "reload" ever since Rondo went down to his ACL injury. He held out hope for a simpler reload process as long as was reasonably possible while at the same time ensuring he didn't make stupid moves that would hurt a total rebuild should that become necessary. It has and now he's committed to the total rebuild. He's trying something that has never been tried before in the NBA. He's accumulated an enormous amount of tradeable assets that cost other teams nothing (draft picks) and simultaneously having the cap space to take on any salary that he deems worthwhile.

Boston can facilitate a trade of any player to any team in this league. That kind of leverage is incredible and hasn't really been seen by anyone. Need to move player X for player Y but can't make the deal work? Call Danny! He's got space, TPEs, picks, you name it...

Boston has essentially cornered the next two drafts. No, they won't use all of their picks. They will trade some of those by the time the draft rolls around. But NO TEAM IN HISTORY has ever had that many opportunities to improve their teams to that extent in the draft. If the draft is a game of craps, Danny has more turns at the table than anyone else ever. Yes, he may roll a bunch of snake-eyes in a row - it could happen - but odds are it won't.
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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #54 on: January 10, 2015, 08:53:44 AM »

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As a lifelong Celtics fan (51 yrs) it's hard to sit back and watch what's going on with this team.  I am one to always try to see the positive, but I can honestly say this is the first time I can't find any.  If you want to count 37 #1 draft picks as a positive then Ok, but even in 2007 when we lost 18 straight, there was still reason for optimism because we had a young budding superstar in Al Jeff and even Rondo, although it wasn't obvious then how good Rondo would be. We also had a cornerstone in all-star PP so I had at least a little hope that things would soon turn around. THIS train wreck of a team that Danny has put together...how the heck do we go from championship contender to this? I know our superstars were aging, but seriously this is the best Danny could do? Teams are adding productive pieces left and right and we trade for bodies just to release or trade again! We have nothing that even resembles 'star' talent much less superstar talent.  We have a coach who thinks what worked in college is going to work in the big leagues, which it wont. Totally different managing kids with no money that are trying to get to the next level then it is managing superstars that's getting direct deposits each week that's more than most of us make in a year! A supposed star that sulks, an overweight PF that shoots threes, a guard drafted at 6 to replace our superstar guard who doesn't know how to drive to the basket and settles for jumpers all game, a 6'3 2-guard who thinks he's Ray Allen, an outcast who was tossed into the starting point guard position because we have no one better, a 4 with a good shot and decent low post moves that's scared to shoot the ball and a center who was a backup at best as our most productive player. Just plain pathetic.

Forgive me, I'm just tired of this crap. We are the BOSTON CELTICS, a STAPLE in this league...The house that RED built and we're being laughed at by Raptor fans?

How did it get to this? SMDH....See you tonight at Indiana (waves and walks away with head down and hands in pockets)

The league is changing and blow up rebuilds are the new smart way to do buisness. Its a tough pill to swallow but the truth is teams have to be bad to be good. What your missing in your 2007 comp are the years leading up to that terrible season. The Cs for years never had a real shot at a championship and kept obtaining young players and flipping them in moves to stay relevant. (Billups, Joe Johnson). When DA came in he shook things up and started developing youth (Perk, Al, Rondo, West, TA). This left us with a young team lead by an increasingly pessimistic caption who was an elite talent signed for multiple years. Pierce was then shut down the second half on 07 and the TANK was on. If Pierce had not extended his contract in 06 he would have likely met the same fate as Rondo.

The elite teams in the NBA are aging Lebron is 30 and the east is weak. Given a couple of years I have fate that DA can bring in the talent to be a playoff team with growth potential to be champions. For those of you who wanted to see a rebuild around Rondo I challenge you to find reasonable moves that would have put good enough talent around Rondo to win, not win the east but actually compete with the elite teams in the west. K Love was the attempt when that ship sailed so did Rondo's tenure in Boston.

     
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Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #55 on: January 10, 2015, 09:11:45 AM »

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The OP is another person who fails the marshmallow test.

Huh?

Don't even bother. It's the stupidest most condescending demonstration ever about how patience pays off.

Well here it is: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QX_oy9614HQ

He was suggesting that the people who hate what's happening here want instant gratification.  The kind of people who would rather see us make the playoffs with the 8th seed than land a Top 5 pick.

Honestly, I think it's less "impatience" and more just ignorance.  No fault of their own, a lot of people who hate what is happening here are just casual fans who don't follow the league closely enough.  Frankly, they just don't understand how the league works.  I'm not holding against them.  I invest way too much of my personal time reading about NBA transactions.  I'm definitely not looking down on being a casual fans who show up to games and cheer for their favorite players.   I try explaining to my cousins in Boston why I love what's going on and they totally don't get it.  You don't wear jerseys with your favorite pick protections and trade exceptions named on the back.  They don't get it either.  On the flip side, they can talk to me about the Patriots and I will not have a clue what they are talking about.  Brady still plays there, right?

Unfortunately, a lot of these people seem to assume their favorite players just magically appear on the team.  Like one day, "oh hey... this James Young kid looks good!"... Like he was gifted to us through some miracle virgin basketball birth.   They don't realize that we got James young with the #17 pick.  They don't realize that we got the #17 pick by trading KG and Pierce a year ago... one of several picks we received from that trade that are coming. 

No, they just seem to think James Young fell from the sky.  Like he was a walk-on for our D-league team and we decided to give the kid a crack at it. 

The same people who would lose their mind over us moving Rondo and Green fail to acknowledge that we landed Rondo after the Suns drafted him with the #21 pick in 2006 and we traded a 2007 Cleveland pick for him (that we acquired in a previous trade).

Nope... Rondo just fell from the sky.

Same people losing their minds over Jeff Green probably don't understand that we received Jeff Green (this time around) by trading Kendrick Perkins for him... and that we received Kendrick Perkins after Memphis drafted him #27 and we traded for him on draft night.   

Nope... Green was the result of virgin birth.

Or hey... how about the fact that we whiffed on the 2007 draft and ended up getting Jeff Green with the #5 pick, but salvaged the situation by moving Green for Ray Allen... and later moved Big Al (taken #15), Gerald Green (taken #18) and others for Kevin Garnett.

Nah... Kg just decided to show up one day and win us a title.

All their other current favorite players like Sully (taken #21), Smart (taken #6), Olynyk (taken  #13), appeared magically as well.

 Players enter the league through the draft.  When you draft a guy in the 1st round, they are stuck on your team for at least 4 years at bargain prices.   Ainge very smartly dumped dead weight and somehow acquired a ton of picks out of it.   If someone you know doesn't see how this team is set up for incredible success long-term, they simply don't understand what's going on.   It's going over their head.  Trust me... this is awesome.   Ainge is doing everything he can to set this team up long-term.

For folks like me who pay unreasonably close attention to this nonsense, we've been waiting for this since 2011.   May 7, 2011 is when the Celtics stopped being a legitimate contender.  It sounds absurb, but that was the day Shaq played his last game.  From that point on, the Celtics lacked a legitimate center.   We overachieved on an extended victory lap that lasted a while longer, but the rebuild was effectively in motion at that point.  Where we are right now was inevitable.   It took a little longer than I would have liked, but Ainge has done a fantastic job of laying the groundwork for the future.  I do wish we had started sooner, but I'm rather pleased we finally got here.

Nice post.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2015, 09:28:56 AM »

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As a lifelong Celtics fan (51 yrs) it's hard to sit back and watch what's going on with this team.  I am one to always try to see the positive, but I can honestly say this is the first time I can't find any.  If you want to count 37 #1 draft picks as a positive then Ok, but even in 2007 when we lost 18 straight, there was still reason for optimism because we had a young budding superstar in Al Jeff and even Rondo, although it wasn't obvious then how good Rondo would be. We also had a cornerstone in all-star PP so I had at least a little hope that things would soon turn around. THIS train wreck of a team that Danny has put together...how the heck do we go from championship contender to this? I know our superstars were aging, but seriously this is the best Danny could do? Teams are adding productive pieces left and right and we trade for bodies just to release or trade again! We have nothing that even resembles 'star' talent much less superstar talent.  We have a coach who thinks what worked in college is going to work in the big leagues, which it wont. Totally different managing kids with no money that are trying to get to the next level then it is managing superstars that's getting direct deposits each week that's more than most of us make in a year! A supposed star that sulks, an overweight PF that shoots threes, a guard drafted at 6 to replace our superstar guard who doesn't know how to drive to the basket and settles for jumpers all game, a 6'3 2-guard who thinks he's Ray Allen, an outcast who was tossed into the starting point guard position because we have no one better, a 4 with a good shot and decent low post moves that's scared to shoot the ball and a center who was a backup at best as our most productive player. Just plain pathetic.

Forgive me, I'm just tired of this crap. We are the BOSTON CELTICS, a STAPLE in this league...The house that RED built and we're being laughed at by Raptor fans?

How did it get to this? SMDH....See you tonight at Indiana (waves and walks away with head down and hands in pockets)

I gave you a TP. and a pat on the back. we all feel similarly, there will be brighter days ahead.

with that said, as much a we kick, scream and whine, what the H  was danny supposed to do? make the same mistake we did with Bird, Parish & McHale(bias and reggie's death aside)? hold on to something that just isn't there anymore? hold on to guys that we either see retire who struggle just to get up n' down the court, or retire due to injury?

as much as I hate the idea and can't stand that Pierce is on another team. I like him too much to see him go through another build and end his career carrying guys like Kelly Olynyk - he deserves better than that. and I like the Celtics too much to see them embarrass themselves by holding on to the past.

danny did the right thing. we can debate the value of the trades all we want but the fact is everyone that's been moved so far needed to go regardless. and the one thing we have is flexibility for the future. I don't think you could ask for anything more than that. 

however, I fear danny might not survive this rebuild. he had pierce during the last one, a cornerstone guy, something to build around. getting that piece could take any number of yr's. and if it's not found soon that's when danny will start to feel the heat.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2015, 01:50:49 PM »

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I wasn't on board with trading Pierce and Garnett, but I eventually moved on.  I wasn't on board with trading Rondo, but I'll eventually move on.

Danny Ainge has a great track record, and he's got himself a lot of assets to work with.  I've been in mourning for the last couple of weeks, but I finally feel ready to embrace this young team and root for them to keep showing improvement together and individually.

I'm finally at a point where wins and losses don't really mean that much to me as a Celtics fan.  I'm sad about that.

I'm glad, though, that Rondo and Jeff Green are both in situations that should be really positive for them.

Whether or not there are any marshmallows on the horizon is still very much up in the air. 
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2015, 02:28:25 PM »

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DANNY MUST GO.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD JEFF GREEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE SHOULD STILL HAVE RONDO, PERK, PAUL and KG and SOME YOUNG TALENT
AND DOC RIVERS

DANNY IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.

Re: Sad state of affairs
« Reply #59 on: January 10, 2015, 02:30:39 PM »

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DANNY MUST GO.

WE NEVER SHOULD HAVE HAD JEFF GREEN IN THE FIRST PLACE.
WE SHOULD STILL HAVE RONDO, PERK, PAUL and KG and SOME YOUNG TALENT
AND DOC RIVERS

DANNY IS AN ABSOLUTE IDIOT.

AND NOBODY WANTS TO COME HERE BECAUSE
THEY DONT TRUST HIM