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[DefenseWinsChamps]

Celtics over the last 3 years have 3 of the 10 top offensive ratings in NBA history.

Joe Mazz might be the best offensive coach ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1kG7FR48v0

[Vermont Green]

There are a lot of options and iterations that they can do for the rest of the season.  Here is what I see in the most simplified way that I can come up with.

Tax Limit:     $187,895,000
Current*:     $187,257,831
Under Tax:         $637,169

*Includes the 12 regular contracts plus the (2) 10-day deals for Tonje and Banton.

The 10-day deals expire I believe on March 1.  They then have 14 more days where they can be under 14 contracts.  That gets to March 15 with 28 days remaining in the season.  By this date, BOS needs to sign (2) more players to get back to 14, either 10-day deals or "rest of season" deals.

If they simply signed Tonje and Banton to "rest of season" deals on March 15, the cost for each would be:

Tonje:       $204,830
Banton:    $369,515

Total:        $574,345

Remaining:  $62,824

That would allow them to sign pretty much anyone they wanted to a last day of the season min contract.  That could be Shulga or Harper, but wouldn't have to be.  If a more tenured vet were to become available, even a 10+ year vet, there is enough money to sign that player as well.  And as someone said, this could be a multi-year deal, it doesn't have to be only the rest of this season.

Since they have chosen to sign Tonje and Banton to these first 10-day deals, I am not sure why they would chose a different player for the rest of season eventual deals.  Why not just stay with Tonje and Banton since I believe they can afford it?  Shulga and Harper as 2-ways can still be available to the team.  No need to do anything different until the last day of the season.

Am I missing something?

[Vermont Green]

Something else I am wondering about that perhaps someone can confirm.  Start by assuming that my math is right and that they would have approximately $62,000 left under the tax line on the last day of the season (understanding my math may not be right).  Is it correct that they could sign a vet to a multi-year deal starting at about $10.7M?  The hit for this season would be only 1/174th of this value since it is prorated to the last day of the season (thereby about $62,000).

Using the MLE would hard cap us at the first apron I believe, but would that be for this season only?  Would that carry over to next season?

[Celtics2021]

There are a lot of options and iterations that they can do for the rest of the season.  Here is what I see in the most simplified way that I can come up with.

Tax Limit:     $187,895,000
Current*:     $187,257,831
Under Tax:         $637,169

*Includes the 12 regular contracts plus the (2) 10-day deals for Tonje and Banton.

The 10-day deals expire I believe on March 1.  They then have 14 more days where they can be under 14 contracts.  That gets to March 15 with 28 days remaining in the season.  By this date, BOS needs to sign (2) more players to get back to 14, either 10-day deals or "rest of season" deals.

If they simply signed Tonje and Banton to "rest of season" deals on March 15, the cost for each would be:

Tonje:       $204,830
Banton:    $369,515

Total:        $574,345

Remaining:  $62,824

That would allow them to sign pretty much anyone they wanted to a last day of the season min contract.  That could be Shulga or Harper, but wouldn't have to be.  If a more tenured vet were to become available, even a 10+ year vet, there is enough money to sign that player as well.  And as someone said, this could be a multi-year deal, it doesn't have to be only the rest of this season.

Since they have chosen to sign Tonje and Banton to these first 10-day deals, I am not sure why they would chose a different player for the rest of season eventual deals.  Why not just stay with Tonje and Banton since I believe they can afford it?  Shulga and Harper as 2-ways can still be available to the team.  No need to do anything different until the last day of the season.

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something.  Once Tonje is not renewed with his 10-day, he costs more against the tax, the same amount as Banton.   That is why Shulga will be the next two-way signed to a contract, and for the rest of the season.

[Vermont Green]

There are a lot of options and iterations that they can do for the rest of the season.  Here is what I see in the most simplified way that I can come up with.

Tax Limit:     $187,895,000
Current*:     $187,257,831
Under Tax:         $637,169

*Includes the 12 regular contracts plus the (2) 10-day deals for Tonje and Banton.

The 10-day deals expire I believe on March 1.  They then have 14 more days where they can be under 14 contracts.  That gets to March 15 with 28 days remaining in the season.  By this date, BOS needs to sign (2) more players to get back to 14, either 10-day deals or "rest of season" deals.

If they simply signed Tonje and Banton to "rest of season" deals on March 15, the cost for each would be:

Tonje:       $204,830
Banton:    $369,515

Total:        $574,345

Remaining:  $62,824

That would allow them to sign pretty much anyone they wanted to a last day of the season min contract.  That could be Shulga or Harper, but wouldn't have to be.  If a more tenured vet were to become available, even a 10+ year vet, there is enough money to sign that player as well.  And as someone said, this could be a multi-year deal, it doesn't have to be only the rest of this season.

Since they have chosen to sign Tonje and Banton to these first 10-day deals, I am not sure why they would chose a different player for the rest of season eventual deals.  Why not just stay with Tonje and Banton since I believe they can afford it?  Shulga and Harper as 2-ways can still be available to the team.  No need to do anything different until the last day of the season.

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something.  Once Tonje is not renewed with his 10-day, he costs more against the tax, the same amount as Banton.   That is why Shulga will be the next two-way signed to a contract, and for the rest of the season.

OK, that makes sense (there is always something).  So is it that Tonje becomes a 1 year vet due to the 10-day deal, thus pushing him to a higher min contract value?  Would this also apply if there is a second 10-day for him?  Does he become classified as a 1-year vet for that too, also resulting in a jump in cost?  I am guessing based on your wording that if they "renew" him on day 11, it is the same cost, but if they wait 14 days, it would not count as "renewing".

[Celtics2021]

There are a lot of options and iterations that they can do for the rest of the season.  Here is what I see in the most simplified way that I can come up with.

Tax Limit:     $187,895,000
Current*:     $187,257,831
Under Tax:         $637,169

*Includes the 12 regular contracts plus the (2) 10-day deals for Tonje and Banton.

The 10-day deals expire I believe on March 1.  They then have 14 more days where they can be under 14 contracts.  That gets to March 15 with 28 days remaining in the season.  By this date, BOS needs to sign (2) more players to get back to 14, either 10-day deals or "rest of season" deals.

If they simply signed Tonje and Banton to "rest of season" deals on March 15, the cost for each would be:

Tonje:       $204,830
Banton:    $369,515

Total:        $574,345

Remaining:  $62,824

That would allow them to sign pretty much anyone they wanted to a last day of the season min contract.  That could be Shulga or Harper, but wouldn't have to be.  If a more tenured vet were to become available, even a 10+ year vet, there is enough money to sign that player as well.  And as someone said, this could be a multi-year deal, it doesn't have to be only the rest of this season.

Since they have chosen to sign Tonje and Banton to these first 10-day deals, I am not sure why they would chose a different player for the rest of season eventual deals.  Why not just stay with Tonje and Banton since I believe they can afford it?  Shulga and Harper as 2-ways can still be available to the team.  No need to do anything different until the last day of the season.

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something.  Once Tonje is not renewed with his 10-day, he costs more against the tax, the same amount as Banton.   That is why Shulga will be the next two-way signed to a contract, and for the rest of the season.

OK, that makes sense (there is always something).  So is it that Tonje becomes a 1 year vet due to the 10-day deal, thus pushing him to a higher min contract value?  Would this also apply if there is a second 10-day for him?  Does he become classified as a 1-year vet for that too, also resulting in a jump in cost?  I am guessing based on your wording that if they "renew" him on day 11, it is the same cost, but if they wait 14 days, it would not count as "renewing".

Mostly correct.  Once Tonje becomes a free agent, he has no longer been signed with his draft rights, which means his tax number becomes the same as a 2-year vet (which is the same as th subsidized minimum that Banton gets).  They have this rule so NBA teams in the Celtics position don?t just load their team with G league rookies at the expense of veterans.

[Vermont Green]

There are a lot of options and iterations that they can do for the rest of the season.  Here is what I see in the most simplified way that I can come up with.

Tax Limit:     $187,895,000
Current*:     $187,257,831
Under Tax:         $637,169

*Includes the 12 regular contracts plus the (2) 10-day deals for Tonje and Banton.

The 10-day deals expire I believe on March 1.  They then have 14 more days where they can be under 14 contracts.  That gets to March 15 with 28 days remaining in the season.  By this date, BOS needs to sign (2) more players to get back to 14, either 10-day deals or "rest of season" deals.

If they simply signed Tonje and Banton to "rest of season" deals on March 15, the cost for each would be:

Tonje:       $204,830
Banton:    $369,515

Total:        $574,345

Remaining:  $62,824

That would allow them to sign pretty much anyone they wanted to a last day of the season min contract.  That could be Shulga or Harper, but wouldn't have to be.  If a more tenured vet were to become available, even a 10+ year vet, there is enough money to sign that player as well.  And as someone said, this could be a multi-year deal, it doesn't have to be only the rest of this season.

Since they have chosen to sign Tonje and Banton to these first 10-day deals, I am not sure why they would chose a different player for the rest of season eventual deals.  Why not just stay with Tonje and Banton since I believe they can afford it?  Shulga and Harper as 2-ways can still be available to the team.  No need to do anything different until the last day of the season.

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something.  Once Tonje is not renewed with his 10-day, he costs more against the tax, the same amount as Banton.   That is why Shulga will be the next two-way signed to a contract, and for the rest of the season.

OK, that makes sense (there is always something).  So is it that Tonje becomes a 1 year vet due to the 10-day deal, thus pushing him to a higher min contract value?  Would this also apply if there is a second 10-day for him?  Does he become classified as a 1-year vet for that too, also resulting in a jump in cost?  I am guessing based on your wording that if they "renew" him on day 11, it is the same cost, but if they wait 14 days, it would not count as "renewing".

Mostly correct.  Once Tonje becomes a free agent, he has no longer been signed with his draft rights, which means his tax number becomes the same as a 2-year vet (which is the same as th subsidized minimum that Banton gets).  They have this rule so NBA teams in the Celtics position don?t just load their team with G league rookies at the expense of veterans.

OK, I get it (I think), thanks for explaining.  Bottom line is that I have to amend my previous scenario to be they sign Banton and Shugla on March 15 to "rest of season" deals, and that leaves them in the range of $62,000 to work with for a potential last day of season contract, barring some other loophole I am missing.

That probably ends up being Harper the way things look, but I will hold out hope that some really useful vet is willing to sign on at the last day of the season. A MLE level player, as you explained above.  I recognize that is probably a long shot at this point, but I will remain optimistic.

Another variation on this is that they could waive Shugla on the last day, sign Harper to a one day prorated deal, and also sign a mystery vet on the last day.  That one day of Harper would cost a little more than the one day of Shugla, but I think it would still leave them with ample money to work out a deal with the mystery vet.

[Redz]

Celtics over the last 3 years have 3 of the 10 top offensive ratings in NBA history.

Joe Mazz might be the best offensive coach ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1kG7FR48v0

Joe also has the best coaching win pct in league history by a fairly wide margin.  And it's not so small of a sample anymore.

[Celtics2021]

There are a lot of options and iterations that they can do for the rest of the season.  Here is what I see in the most simplified way that I can come up with.

Tax Limit:     $187,895,000
Current*:     $187,257,831
Under Tax:         $637,169

*Includes the 12 regular contracts plus the (2) 10-day deals for Tonje and Banton.

The 10-day deals expire I believe on March 1.  They then have 14 more days where they can be under 14 contracts.  That gets to March 15 with 28 days remaining in the season.  By this date, BOS needs to sign (2) more players to get back to 14, either 10-day deals or "rest of season" deals.

If they simply signed Tonje and Banton to "rest of season" deals on March 15, the cost for each would be:

Tonje:       $204,830
Banton:    $369,515

Total:        $574,345

Remaining:  $62,824

That would allow them to sign pretty much anyone they wanted to a last day of the season min contract.  That could be Shulga or Harper, but wouldn't have to be.  If a more tenured vet were to become available, even a 10+ year vet, there is enough money to sign that player as well.  And as someone said, this could be a multi-year deal, it doesn't have to be only the rest of this season.

Since they have chosen to sign Tonje and Banton to these first 10-day deals, I am not sure why they would chose a different player for the rest of season eventual deals.  Why not just stay with Tonje and Banton since I believe they can afford it?  Shulga and Harper as 2-ways can still be available to the team.  No need to do anything different until the last day of the season.

Am I missing something?

Yes, you are missing something.  Once Tonje is not renewed with his 10-day, he costs more against the tax, the same amount as Banton.   That is why Shulga will be the next two-way signed to a contract, and for the rest of the season.

OK, that makes sense (there is always something).  So is it that Tonje becomes a 1 year vet due to the 10-day deal, thus pushing him to a higher min contract value?  Would this also apply if there is a second 10-day for him?  Does he become classified as a 1-year vet for that too, also resulting in a jump in cost?  I am guessing based on your wording that if they "renew" him on day 11, it is the same cost, but if they wait 14 days, it would not count as "renewing".

Mostly correct.  Once Tonje becomes a free agent, he has no longer been signed with his draft rights, which means his tax number becomes the same as a 2-year vet (which is the same as th subsidized minimum that Banton gets).  They have this rule so NBA teams in the Celtics position don?t just load their team with G league rookies at the expense of veterans.

OK, I get it (I think), thanks for explaining.  Bottom line is that I have to amend my previous scenario to be they sign Banton and Shugla on March 15 to "rest of season" deals, and that leaves them in the range of $62,000 to work with for a potential last day of season contract, barring some other loophole I am missing.

That probably ends up being Harper the way things look, but I will hold out hope that some really useful vet is willing to sign on at the last day of the season. A MLE level player, as you explained above.  I recognize that is probably a long shot at this point, but I will remain optimistic.

Another variation on this is that they could waive Shugla on the last day, sign Harper to a one day prorated deal, and also sign a mystery vet on the last day.  That one day of Harper would cost a little more than the one day of Shugla, but I think it would still leave them with ample money to work out a deal with the mystery vet.

I don?t have a spreadsheet handy, but someone else worked it out online that they would have about $8k of space on the last day after signing the 15tb player, so I don?t think they could add two mystery players the last day by cutting someone.  Also, that is a bad look unless someone is hurt or they brought in a total locker room cancer by accident, so I would not expect that even if it were possible.

[Goldstar88]

Celtics over the last 3 years have 3 of the 10 top offensive ratings in NBA history.

Joe Mazz might be the best offensive coach ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1kG7FR48v0

Joe also has the best coaching win pct in league history by a fairly wide margin.  And it's not so small of a sample anymore.

Pfft.. He stinks