Cavs have been in contact with Cs about facilitating 3 team deals per ESPN

[tazzmaniac]

I'm guessing we are trying to move Thornton out of anyone.  We need to make room for James Young the second half and with Nelson here we don't really need Thornton.

I think Thornton will be hard to move because matching salaries will be hard and I don't see much of a market for him.  Jordan Crawford was movable last year because he was on a much smaller contract.   

[piercetruth34]

If we move green it has to be for picks. I would guess the asking price would be a 1st round pick and a player where we aren't taking on bloated contracts. .  Having Cleveland as a go between might be a way to move green. 

I don't expect a high pick for Green.  I think the c's would take a later pick back.

[tazzmaniac]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

No. A TPE can't be traded. It is part of a specific deal, where the team in stead of a player gets a TPE. So it exists only for the team that created it. But we could use it to take Varejao's expiring contract.

If we take on Varejao using the TPE, we would go over the luxury tax line. 

[piercetruth34]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

We were shopping green but supposedly the deals that were out there weren't too good.  I'm not sure Green gets moved but maybe DA will find something.  Bass is the same issue.  We've been shopping him but no takers so far.

Houston if Josh Smith goes elsewhere might come back for Green again. They still have Terrence jones but who knows.  The teams interested in josh smith that don't get him might look at green again.

DA is always good at waiting until he gets what he wants.  He doesn't just trade for the sake of it.

I don't recall any trade rumor about Houston wanting Green.  If they did, they could have had him for the New Orleans pick.  I would have agreed with you before the Rondo trade but Ainge certainly settled on that one.

There were rumors of green being shopped to Houston along with rondo for parsons, I think it was Lin and Asik. I actually liked that deal.  Ainge might have settled a little but what we got back was similar.  Not parsons.  thing is I actually though Terrence jones made more sense at the time.  The issues with jones anyways there it may have.  The sac trade and all that. I think we did alright.  For what this team is trying to do and build with youth ainge waited and didn't hurt this team.   

Getting those players back isn't necessarily better imo for what we are trying to do.  It's like apples and oranges taking those guys back and having to sign Parsons to an extension.  Going the draft route is good with me.  I was always more on the fence trade rondo or not.   Go all in with the draft or build with rondo. I think we did the right thing.  I hope at least.

I've always hated those in between trades that don't solve anything.  At least  a guy like Crowder could be a roleplayer here and we can move Bass.  Nelson serves a purpose for Smart and Wright is a flier as far as a rim protector with no strings attached really.

I really like what Ainge did per usual but that's me.  I usually do.  Minus a few moves he's made.  I don't like it when he signs crap free agents like shaq to hold the tide.  That's crap.  Dallas is kind of doing that now with ROndo trying to get Jermaine Oneal. Good for them but kind of crap moves.  Dallas is kind of doing what we did with Shaq there.  Rondo is calling for it trying to get some help.  But Rondo is not a GM and is still young.  He's doing what he can though  so can't really fault him for that.

[tazzmaniac]

If we move green it has to be for picks. I would guess the asking price would be a 1st round pick and a player where we aren't taking on bloated contracts. .  Having Cleveland as a go between might be a way to move green. 

I don't expect a high pick for Green.  I think the c's would take a later pick back.

I agree that Ainge is looking for a first rounder.  Trading Green for Prince makes a lot of sense but unfortunately Memphis doesn't have an available first rounder for many years so it would have to be a three team trade.  If Charlotte gets desperate enough and Ainge really wants to take a gamble, we might get Green for Stephenson and a Charlotte protected 1st.  I'm not sure who else is a viable realistic trade partner for Green. 

[tazzmaniac]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

We were shopping green but supposedly the deals that were out there weren't too good.  I'm not sure Green gets moved but maybe DA will find something.  Bass is the same issue.  We've been shopping him but no takers so far.

Houston if Josh Smith goes elsewhere might come back for Green again. They still have Terrence jones but who knows.  The teams interested in josh smith that don't get him might look at green again.

DA is always good at waiting until he gets what he wants.  He doesn't just trade for the sake of it.

I don't recall any trade rumor about Houston wanting Green.  If they did, they could have had him for the New Orleans pick.  I would have agreed with you before the Rondo trade but Ainge certainly settled on that one.

There were rumors of green being shopped to Houston along with rondo for parsons, I think it was Lin and Asik. I actually liked that deal.  Ainge might have settled a little but what we got back was similar.  Not parsons.  thing is I actually though Terrence jones made more sense at the time.  The issues with jones anyways there it may have.  The sac trade and all that. I think we did alright.  For what this team is trying to do and build with youth ainge waited and didn't hurt this team.   

Getting those players back isn't necessarily better imo for what we are trying to do.  It's like apples and oranges taking those guys back and having to sign Parsons to an extension.  Going the draft route is good with me.  I was always more on the fence trade rondo or not.   Go all in with the draft or build with rondo. I think we did the right thing.  I hope at least.

I've always hated those in between trades that don't solve anything.

I wouldn't have made the Rondo trade for what we got in return.  I think adding a good player with Rondo and Green would have made us competitive in the weak east so I would have risked losing Rondo for nothing in free agency.   

[clover]

The Memphis pick feels like a pretty light return for Green.  But, something like this, with CLE's Memphis pick and a distant future pick coming to the Celtics?

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=lsd5nxc

You might be able to get someone to throw in a 2nd rounder but you're not going to get two 1st rounders for Green.  Have you already forgotten how little we got in the Rondo trade?  Green is going to opt out so he's a half year rental just like Rondo.

Yep, and if anyone had been willing to offer a first rounder for Green to date, he'd be gone already.

[clover]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

We were shopping green but supposedly the deals that were out there weren't too good.  I'm not sure Green gets moved but maybe DA will find something.  Bass is the same issue.  We've been shopping him but no takers so far.

Houston if Josh Smith goes elsewhere might come back for Green again. They still have Terrence jones but who knows.  The teams interested in josh smith that don't get him might look at green again.

DA is always good at waiting until he gets what he wants.  He doesn't just trade for the sake of it.

I don't recall any trade rumor about Houston wanting Green.  If they did, they could have had him for the New Orleans pick.  I would have agreed with you before the Rondo trade but Ainge certainly settled on that one.

There were rumors of green being shopped to Houston along with rondo for parsons, I think it was Lin and Asik. I actually liked that deal.  Ainge might have settled a little but what we got back was similar.  Not parsons.  thing is I actually though Terrence jones made more sense at the time.  The issues with jones anyways there it may have.  The sac trade and all that. I think we did alright.  For what this team is trying to do and build with youth ainge waited and didn't hurt this team.   

Getting those players back isn't necessarily better imo for what we are trying to do.  It's like apples and oranges taking those guys back and having to sign Parsons to an extension.  Going the draft route is good with me.  I was always more on the fence trade rondo or not.   Go all in with the draft or build with rondo. I think we did the right thing.  I hope at least.

I've always hated those in between trades that don't solve anything.

I wouldn't have made the Rondo trade for what we got in return.  I think adding a good player with Rondo and Green would have made us competitive in the weak east so I would have risked losing Rondo for nothing in free agency.

You mean you would have risked losing Rondo AND Green in FA, and I wonder where that good player would have come from.

[piercetruth34]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

We were shopping green but supposedly the deals that were out there weren't too good.  I'm not sure Green gets moved but maybe DA will find something.  Bass is the same issue.  We've been shopping him but no takers so far.

Houston if Josh Smith goes elsewhere might come back for Green again. They still have Terrence jones but who knows.  The teams interested in josh smith that don't get him might look at green again.

DA is always good at waiting until he gets what he wants.  He doesn't just trade for the sake of it.

I don't recall any trade rumor about Houston wanting Green.  If they did, they could have had him for the New Orleans pick.  I would have agreed with you before the Rondo trade but Ainge certainly settled on that one.

There were rumors of green being shopped to Houston along with rondo for parsons, I think it was Lin and Asik. I actually liked that deal.  Ainge might have settled a little but what we got back was similar.  Not parsons.  thing is I actually though Terrence jones made more sense at the time.  The issues with jones anyways there it may have.  The sac trade and all that. I think we did alright.  For what this team is trying to do and build with youth ainge waited and didn't hurt this team.   

Getting those players back isn't necessarily better imo for what we are trying to do.  It's like apples and oranges taking those guys back and having to sign Parsons to an extension.  Going the draft route is good with me.  I was always more on the fence trade rondo or not.   Go all in with the draft or build with rondo. I think we did the right thing.  I hope at least.

I've always hated those in between trades that don't solve anything.

I wouldn't have made the Rondo trade for what we got in return.  I think adding a good player with Rondo and Green would have made us competitive in the weak east so I would have risked losing Rondo for nothing in free agency.

Those deals had to be there though that's the thing.  Ainge tried to go after Kevin Love or he let Rondo recruit him I think.  I don't know if I would have built with all youth.  Wright, Crowder, Jameer seem to fit what we need.  I really like the deal.  We sort of agree but don't haha.  It's alright though.  It's fun talking about this stuff.

Thing is we are pretty bad but I still think we can compete.  This season is going to be in flux.  Emotions everything.  Sully is all upset now. They are young.  I like it when players show emotion though. At least Sully gives a **** is how I see it. Needs to play better. Channel that inner beast.

[colincb]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

No. A TPE can't be traded. It is part of a specific deal, where the team in stead of a player gets a TPE. So it exists only for the team that created it. But we could use it to take Varejao's expiring contract.

If we take on Varejao using the TPE, we would go over the luxury tax line.

  Varejo hads an awful contract. Cannot imagine he's in any deal, especially if he has an Achilles tear.

[MISSERY]

Kevin Seraphin for a 1st?

[tazzmaniac]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

We were shopping green but supposedly the deals that were out there weren't too good.  I'm not sure Green gets moved but maybe DA will find something.  Bass is the same issue.  We've been shopping him but no takers so far.

Houston if Josh Smith goes elsewhere might come back for Green again. They still have Terrence jones but who knows.  The teams interested in josh smith that don't get him might look at green again.

DA is always good at waiting until he gets what he wants.  He doesn't just trade for the sake of it.

I don't recall any trade rumor about Houston wanting Green.  If they did, they could have had him for the New Orleans pick.  I would have agreed with you before the Rondo trade but Ainge certainly settled on that one.

There were rumors of green being shopped to Houston along with rondo for parsons, I think it was Lin and Asik. I actually liked that deal.  Ainge might have settled a little but what we got back was similar.  Not parsons.  thing is I actually though Terrence jones made more sense at the time.  The issues with jones anyways there it may have.  The sac trade and all that. I think we did alright.  For what this team is trying to do and build with youth ainge waited and didn't hurt this team.   

Getting those players back isn't necessarily better imo for what we are trying to do.  It's like apples and oranges taking those guys back and having to sign Parsons to an extension.  Going the draft route is good with me.  I was always more on the fence trade rondo or not.   Go all in with the draft or build with rondo. I think we did the right thing.  I hope at least.

I've always hated those in between trades that don't solve anything.

I wouldn't have made the Rondo trade for what we got in return.  I think adding a good player with Rondo and Green would have made us competitive in the weak east so I would have risked losing Rondo for nothing in free agency.

You mean you would have risked losing Rondo AND Green in FA, and I wonder where that good player would have come from.

You're right we could have lost both Rondo and Green for nothing and if Ainge manages to trade Green for a 1st that would mean two late 1sts lost.  However, we'd still have the possibility of getting similar deals via sign and trades.  As to who that good player would be, one possibility is Monroe during free agency.  I have a feeling the trade season is going to be pretty active and Ainge has the assets to outbid anyone if someone he wants becomes available. 

[tazzmaniac]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

No. A TPE can't be traded. It is part of a specific deal, where the team in stead of a player gets a TPE. So it exists only for the team that created it. But we could use it to take Varejao's expiring contract.

If we take on Varejao using the TPE, we would go over the luxury tax line.

  Varejo hads an awful contract. Cannot imagine he's in any deal, especially if he has an Achilles tear.

He's in the last year of his contract so its not bad.  I'd take him if Cleveland would give up the Memphis 1st rounder. 

[BleedGreen1989]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

No. A TPE can't be traded. It is part of a specific deal, where the team in stead of a player gets a TPE. So it exists only for the team that created it. But we could use it to take Varejao's expiring contract.

If we take on Varejao using the TPE, we would go over the luxury tax line.

  Varejo hads an awful contract. Cannot imagine he's in any deal, especially if he has an Achilles tear.

He's in the last year of his contract so its not bad.  I'd take him if Cleveland would give up the Memphis 1st rounder.

He signed an extension.

[tazzmaniac]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

No. A TPE can't be traded. It is part of a specific deal, where the team in stead of a player gets a TPE. So it exists only for the team that created it. But we could use it to take Varejao's expiring contract.

If we take on Varejao using the TPE, we would go over the luxury tax line.

  Varejo hads an awful contract. Cannot imagine he's in any deal, especially if he has an Achilles tear.

He's in the last year of his contract so its not bad.  I'd take him if Cleveland would give up the Memphis 1st rounder.

He signed an extension.

Yikes!  When did that happen?  Seems like a major suck up to Lebron cause Verejao gets injured too much to get that deal otherwise.