Cavs have been in contact with Cs about facilitating 3 team deals per ESPN

[SHAQATTACK]

I tell you this much......I would not even PiCK UP the phone ......

Unless I was sure I was getting the BETTER end in any deal with Cavs or anybody really.

For Danny to make other s contenders for peanuts is beyond stupid

Any. Deal ......I d DO.......

Celtics need to be the CLEAR WIINNER in any deal

Screw the being fair.......get the best deal .....top,picks and players ,  they need to bend way over and grit their teeth to get our players .

[manl_lui]

1. Trade wright to CLE ($5 TE) when possible or Bass now
2. Trade Green to a desperate team near the deadline out west for a better return than now
3. Shop anyone else not named Smart, Young, (or Sully and Olynyk for he right price) at the deadline

If we have the option of trading Wright for Memphis' 1st we should do it in a heartbeat.

Bass looks less likely to get dealt if HOU signs Smith, but I'm hoping he and Green get dealt so that we don't have cap holds going into the FA signing period.

Cleveland can wait till the end of the trade deadline for Wright to become available.  They need a true center now and whichever team facilitates the deal should get a nice return.

I agree with this statement. Cleveland front office has more pressure now and wants to win now or else they might see another decision part 3.

[obnoxiousmime]

Sorry, this is a little off topic.  Didn't Danny facilitate a trade a number of years ago that lead to the other team winning the title?  Was it a trade to Miami?  Could someone refresh my memory.  Thanks....

i think you are thinking of the trade with detroit.

He did it twice. He facilitated Sheed to the Pistons who won the title, and Antoine Walker to the Heat who also won the title. He also of course facilitated Lebron to Cleveland this year, so that's potentially three times. I think Ainge when he is sure his team is out of contention for at least a few years, does favors for agents and teams, and in turn they help him out down the road when they are not contending.

Yeah this criticism about facilitating is groundless to me. Especially now that there are lots of teams with cap space, finding non-competitive teams to take on salary for assets is relatively easy. If the Celtics don't do it, somebody else will. The only team I would pause in helping win a title is the Lakers.

I would never take Varejao's deal, however. He can't stay healthy and his deal runs three more years, 30 million. It would be a new Wallace deal on our roster. I also wouldn't take a flier on Waiters who scores but does nothing else. He's the epitome of the overrated individual scorer on a bad team. In fact, he was included in a recent ESPN article about overrated players based on their "real plus minus" which is a new advanced stat some ESPN geeks created (Jeff Green was also on the list). I don't care if it's real plus minus or fake plus minus, I don't want Waiters on this team.

I'm hoping there's some deal out there where we can package some of our veteran depth for a 1st. I'd be willing to take back salary that runs through next year, but anything after that is a dealbreaker.

[tazzmaniac]

Memphis gets Jeff Green, Brendan Haywood
Cleveland gets Kosta Koufos
Boston gets 2015 MEM 1st, Tayshaun Prince, Quincy Pondexter

I hope Pondexter is a great defender because his offensive numbers are truly offensive.

[tazzmaniac]

I tell you this much......I would not even PiCK UP the phone ......

Unless I was sure I was getting the BETTER end in any deal with Cavs or anybody really.

For Danny to make other s contenders for peanuts is beyond stupid

Any. Deal ......I d DO.......

Celtics need to be the CLEAR WIINNER in any deal

Screw the being fair.......get the best deal .....top,picks and players ,  they need to bend way over and grit their teeth to get our players .

Teams that are facilitators in a deal aren't going to be the clear Winner.  You're just trying to pick up more assets.  That's why Philly has been a part of so many trades. 

[Alleyoopster]

Sorry, this is a little off topic.  Didn't Danny facilitate a trade a number of years ago that lead to the other team winning the title?  Was it a trade to Miami?  Could someone refresh my memory.  Thanks....

i think you are thinking of the trade with detroit.

He did it twice. He facilitated Sheed to the Pistons who won the title, and Antoine Walker to the Heat who also won the title. He also of course facilitated Lebron to Cleveland this year, so that's potentially three times. I think Ainge when he is sure his team is out of contention for at least a few years, does favors for agents and teams, and in turn they help him out down the road when they are not contending.

Thanks...I thought Miami was in the picture once. 

[slamtheking]

Memphis gets Jeff Green, Brendan Haywood
Cleveland gets Kosta Koufos
Boston gets 2015 MEM 1st, Tayshaun Prince, Quincy Pondexter

I hope Pondexter is a great defender because his offensive numbers are truly offensive.

for taking on Prince and Quince, and giving up Green, that pick should have the protections removed to make it worth it.  we're improving Memphis a lot, helping Cleveland a lot and getting a measly pick for the effort.
we'd also have to move another player in the deal or eat another contract due to having to waive someone else on the roster.

[aingeforthree]

Sorry, this is a little off topic.  Didn't Danny facilitate a trade a number of years ago that lead to the other team winning the title?  Was it a trade to Miami?  Could someone refresh my memory.  Thanks....

i think you are thinking of the trade with detroit.

He did it twice. He facilitated Sheed to the Pistons who won the title, and Antoine Walker to the Heat who also won the title. He also of course facilitated Lebron to Cleveland this year, so that's potentially three times. I think Ainge when he is sure his team is out of contention for at least a few years, does favors for agents and teams, and in turn they help him out down the road when they are not contending.

Thanks...I thought Miami was in the picture once.

It's a smart way to do business.  Get in on the team that is close to the title, as their willing to part with pieces to get them over the top, but can be had because of the roster, situation, etc.

I.E. Tyler Zeller

Although in Zeller's case, Cleveland may of made a huge mistake there because they have no depth (Who knows though, he didn't get a lot of run with them last year).

[tazzmaniac]

Memphis gets Jeff Green, Brendan Haywood
Cleveland gets Kosta Koufos
Boston gets 2015 MEM 1st, Tayshaun Prince, Quincy Pondexter

I hope Pondexter is a great defender because his offensive numbers are truly offensive.

for taking on Prince and Quince, and giving up Green, that pick should have the protections removed to make it worth it.  we're improving Memphis a lot, helping Cleveland a lot and getting a measly pick for the effort.
we'd also have to move another player in the deal or eat another contract due to having to waive someone else on the roster.

Didn't realize Pondexter is on a 4 year contract.  We definitely don't want him unless we get a much better return or else somehow work it so Cleveland has to take Wallace.  Fortunately the trade can be made without Pondexter in it.

[Dino Pitino]

Looks like we snagged Wright just at the right time. Didn't even need to showcase him in order for him to turn into an asset that could be upgraded into a lottery pick. A 4th overall pick, at that, nice! Granted, that was two years ago, and Waiters is a volume chucker, but he still possesses some high-lotto pedigree, and he's under contract for another year, and on this Celtics squad the rest of the season he could average 20 points like he did late last season, perhaps not be too inefficient if his 3PT% can approach 40 again, all the while not helping the Celtics actually win too much and slip down in the lottery, and then over the summer he can be bundled with other players/picks for an even better asset. It's a perfect buy-low opportunity. Let Ainge do his paperclip thing. Forget about how Waiters will fit long-term plans, or whether Bradley is a better overall player when defense is considered, or whether Waiters would encroach on Smart's minutes. It's all showcase, all the time, for the foreseeable future. You want a 4th overall pick, here is a recent one, not a bust yet, still hyped, with lots of 20+ point games in the last calendar year. Forget chemistry, forget character. Acquire assets, develop assets, upgrade assets. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[LooseCannon]

I tell you this much......I would not even PiCK UP the phone ......

Unless I was sure I was getting the BETTER end in any deal with Cavs or anybody really.

For Danny to make other s contenders for peanuts is beyond stupid

Any. Deal ......I d DO.......

Celtics need to be the CLEAR WIINNER in any deal

Screw the being fair.......get the best deal .....top,picks and players ,  they need to bend way over and grit their teeth to get our players .

Trades aren't necessarily zero-sum games, but if they were, you can have multiple winners in a multi-team trade.

[TheFlex]

Looks like we snagged Wright just at the right time. Didn't even need to showcase him in order for him to turn into an asset that could be upgraded into a lottery pick. A 4th overall pick, at that, nice! Granted, that was two years ago, and Waiters is a volume chucker, but he still possesses some high-lotto pedigree, and he's under contract for another year, and on this Celtics squad the rest of the season he could average 20 points like he did late last season, perhaps not be too inefficient if his 3PT% can approach 40 again, all the while not helping the Celtics actually win too much and slip down in the lottery, and then over the summer he can be bundled with other players/picks for an even better asset. It's a perfect buy-low opportunity. Let Ainge do his paperclip thing. Forget about how Waiters will fit long-term plans, or whether Bradley is a better overall player when defense is considered, or whether Waiters would encroach on Smart's minutes. It's all showcase, all the time, for the foreseeable future. You want a 4th overall pick, here is a recent one, not a bust yet, still hyped, with lots of 20+ point games in the last calendar year. Forget chemistry, forget character. Acquire assets, develop assets, upgrade assets. Wash, rinse, repeat.

I'd love to get Waiters. He's a talented scorer who probably just needs to find a system and coach that works for him. Whether or not he ever does is not our problem. We just need to make him look good for half a season.

He could probably average 15-20 PPG on our team even if he wasn't starting. I'm hoping Stevens' offense would enhance his efficiency and inflate his offensive averages. Offenses that crank out close to 100 possessions a game and stress ball movement usually do. It's exactly why Evan Turner looked great on the Sixers, terrible on the Pacers and now pretty good again on the Cs. It's also why MCW's stats probably make him look better than he really is. Smart move by Brett Brown and Hinkie for the tanking years.

Boost Waiters' value and package him with our pick to move up in the Draft. If Detroit or NYK are ahead of us, I can totally see them biting.

[slamtheking]

Memphis gets Jeff Green, Brendan Haywood
Cleveland gets Kosta Koufos
Boston gets 2015 MEM 1st, Tayshaun Prince, Quincy Pondexter

I hope Pondexter is a great defender because his offensive numbers are truly offensive.

for taking on Prince and Quince, and giving up Green, that pick should have the protections removed to make it worth it.  we're improving Memphis a lot, helping Cleveland a lot and getting a measly pick for the effort.
we'd also have to move another player in the deal or eat another contract due to having to waive someone else on the roster.

Didn't realize Pondexter is on a 4 year contract.  We definitely don't want him unless we get a much better return or else somehow work it so Cleveland has to take Wallace.  Fortunately the trade can be made without Pondexter in it.

without Pondexter, the deal isn't as bad.  still want more but doesn't make me vomit in my mouth

[spikelovetheCelts]

can we send our 13 million dollar trade exception to Cleveland?
They pick up a center and a back up wing/SG?

God if we could get anything for Green we need to do it now.
Danny would pull the trigger for a few 2nd rounders, but no one wants the chump.

We were shopping green but supposedly the deals that were out there weren't too good.  I'm not sure Green gets moved but maybe DA will find something.  Bass is the same issue.  We've been shopping him but no takers so far.

Houston if Josh Smith goes elsewhere might come back for Green again. They still have Terrence jones but who knows.  The teams interested in josh smith that don't get him might look at green again.

DA is always good at waiting until he gets what he wants.  He doesn't just trade for the sake of it.

I don't recall any trade rumor about Houston wanting Green.  If they did, they could have had him for the New Orleans pick.  I would have agreed with you before the Rondo trade but Ainge certainly settled on that one.

There were rumors of green being shopped to Houston along with rondo for parsons, I think it was Lin and Asik. I actually liked that deal.  Ainge might have settled a little but what we got back was similar.  Not parsons.  thing is I actually though Terrence jones made more sense at the time.  The issues with jones anyways there it may have.  The sac trade and all that. I think we did alright.  For what this team is trying to do and build with youth ainge waited and didn't hurt this team.   

Getting those players back isn't necessarily better imo for what we are trying to do.  It's like apples and oranges taking those guys back and having to sign Parsons to an extension.  Going the draft route is good with me.  I was always more on the fence trade rondo or not.   Go all in with the draft or build with rondo. I think we did the right thing.  I hope at least.

I've always hated those in between trades that don't solve anything.

I wouldn't have made the Rondo trade for what we got in return.  I think adding a good player with Rondo and Green would have made us competitive in the weak east so I would have risked losing Rondo for nothing in free agency.

You mean you would have risked losing Rondo AND Green in FA, and I wonder where that good player would have come from.

You're right we could have lost both Rondo and Green for nothing and if Ainge manages to trade Green for a 1st that would mean two late 1sts lost.  However, we'd still have the possibility of getting similar deals via sign and trades.  As to who that good player would be, one possibility is Monroe during free agency.  I have a feeling the trade season is going to be pretty active and Ainge has the assets to outbid anyone if someone he wants becomes available.

I also see some trades coming. Now that Josh Smith is with Houston. All the other Teams are going to make moves. Wright, Bass and Green Can add fire power to many West Teams. If Bogut stays hurt GS is going to need a big if O'neal signs with Dallas. Wright Or Sully can be of much value. I see all the Teams west adding players.

[boscel33]

When can Wright be traded?  I thought it wasn't until Feb.