Turner and Turnovers

[tarheelsxxiii]

Turner has the most turnovers per second, based on  my limited time watching games, in league history. Keeping this in mind, is he worse than Bradley and Thornton is creating his own shot? Or Sully? Or... my mom?

[Scottie]

Turner is currently 39th in turnovers per 48 minutes with 4.3. Behind quite a few bigger names

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/turnovers/sort/avg48Turnovers/order/false

For listed SF's however he is 92nd (of 99) and is 41st for assist/turnover ratio. He's doing a good job on the boards at 11th is listed SF's in rebounds per 48min. For mine, Turner has been pretty much as advertised.

[Beat LA]

Turner has the most turnovers per second, based on  my limited time watching games, in league history. Keeping this in mind, is he worse than Bradley and Thornton is creating his own shot? Or Sully? Or... my mom?

Lol, TP .  He's way better at creating his own shot than Bradley, but I don't think I need to tell you that the bar isn't very high on that one, haha .  As for the other 3, I think he's better than Thornton, but I think it's unfair to compare a wing's ability to create his own offense to a power forward in Sullinger, because 4's aren't traditionally able to cross over a defender and/or hit a step-back jumper.  I'm reserving judgement on your mom, lol , although she's probably better than Turner, haha.  I do think he's been playing a lot more under control now, and his turnovers are drastically fewer now than they were at the beginning of the season.  He'll still make a bad pass every once in a while, but he looks a lot more comfortable out there, to me, at least, and he's been producing very well, consistently, off the bench.

[Chris22]

If I were Stevens, I would tell Turner not to worry about passing the ball....he is a scorer.

Turner gets in trouble when he tries to be a point guard.

[pearljammer10]

If I were Stevens, I would tell Turner not to worry about passing the ball....he is a scorer.

Turner gets in trouble when he tries to be a point guard.

Sounds like another one of our SGs. Except he doesn't worry about passing the ball and isn't a scorer but still tries to be.

Turner's problem, in my eyes anyway, is he basketball IQ. I think he is just a dumb, dumb player and his decision create awful TOs at a high rate.

[apc]

If I were Stevens, I would tell Turner not to worry about passing the ball....he is a scorer.

Turner gets in trouble when he tries to be a point guard.

Sounds like another one of our SGs. Except he doesn't worry about passing the ball and isn't a scorer but still tries to be.

Turner's problem, in my eyes anyway, is he basketball IQ. I think he is just a dumb, dumb player and his decision create awful TOs at a high rate.

I got to agree, on that 2 OT game vs Wizards, it looked like he had a good game, but I think he was more lucky with bad shots falling in..., I thought his decision making was poor plus bad passing skills.

[GzUP617]

Turner has the most turnovers per second, based on  my limited time watching games, in league history. Keeping this in mind, is he worse than Bradley and Thornton is creating his own shot? Or Sully? Or... my mom?

Lol, TP .  He's way better at creating his own shot than Bradley, but I don't think I need to tell you that the bar isn't very high on that one, haha .  As for the other 3, I think he's better than Thornton, but I think it's unfair to compare a wing's ability to create his own offense to a power forward in Sullinger, because 4's aren't traditionally able to cross over a defender and/or hit a step-back jumper.  I'm reserving judgement on your mom, lol , although she's probably better than Turner, haha.  I do think he's been playing a lot more under control now, and his turnovers are drastically fewer now than they were at the beginning of the season.  He'll still make a bad pass every once in a while, but he looks a lot more comfortable out there, to me, at least, and he's been producing very well, consistently, off the bench.

Who's the second best. ?

[Chris22]

If I were Stevens, I would tell Turner not to worry about passing the ball....he is a scorer.

Turner gets in trouble when he tries to be a point guard.

Sounds like another one of our SGs. Except he doesn't worry about passing the ball and isn't a scorer but still tries to be.

Turner's problem, in my eyes anyway, is he basketball IQ. I think he is just a dumb, dumb player and his decision create awful TOs at a high rate.

Turner is a shooting guard, not a point guard.

[D.o.s.]

If I were Stevens, I would tell Turner not to worry about passing the ball....he is a scorer.

Turner gets in trouble when he tries to be a point guard.

Sounds like another one of our SGs. Except he doesn't worry about passing the ball and isn't a scorer but still tries to be.

Turner's problem, in my eyes anyway, is he basketball IQ. I think he is just a dumb, dumb player and his decision create awful TOs at a high rate.

Turner is a shooting guard, not a point guard.

Sure, but how does that square with Stevens's goal of high ball movement?

Answer: it doesn't.

[Who]

If I were Stevens, I would tell Turner not to worry about passing the ball....he is a scorer.

Turner gets in trouble when he tries to be a point guard.

I've long felt the opposite way about Turner.

I consider him a multi-functional role player (defense, rebounding, ball-handling, passing, adequate scoring) who gets into trouble when he tries to be a prolific scorer.

[Fafnir]

If I were Stevens, I would tell Turner not to worry about passing the ball....he is a scorer.

Turner gets in trouble when he tries to be a point guard.

Sounds like another one of our SGs. Except he doesn't worry about passing the ball and isn't a scorer but still tries to be.

Turner's problem, in my eyes anyway, is he basketball IQ. I think he is just a dumb, dumb player and his decision create awful TOs at a high rate.

Turner is a shooting guard, not a point guard.

Sure, but how does that square with Stevens's goal of high ball movement?

Answer: it doesn't.

Yeah, Turner takes the balance of ball-movers from ball stoppers out of wack. Combine that with the lack of shooting he leaves the lineup with and its bad news bears.

Olynyk for all his frustrating non-shooting at times was, moved the ball and moved it quickly. Zeller is a finisher and screener on offense and that's it.

[Fafnir]

If I were Stevens, I would tell Turner not to worry about passing the ball....he is a scorer.

Turner gets in trouble when he tries to be a point guard.

I've always felt the opposite way about Turner.

I consider him a multi-functional role player (defense, rebounding, ball-handling, passing, adequate scoring) who gets into trouble when he tries to be a prolific scorer.

I think he gets into trouble when he tries to do too much period.

[hwangjini_1]

here are some stats for context and perspective on turner's turnovers, and i don't mean apple.

turner this season = 2.1/game, tied for 89th among sg (rondo = 3.4/g, #82 among pg)
turner for career = 1.9/game (rondo = 2.8/g)
turner season total = 44, which tied for 380th worst in the nba (rondo = 67)
turner ast/TO ration = 1.57 ranked 41st among sg (rondo is 3.21, tied for 18th among pg)
turner TO/48 = 4.3, 398th in nba (rondo is 5.0, 414th in nba)

our eyes aren't deceiving us. turner's turnovers are pretty significant, though this year is slightly worse than his career.