Looks like Tommy can't take it anymore

[Sixth Man]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

Wow.  Every one of those statements seems completely divorced from reality.  Did you even actually take time to _read_ the full story?   Rondo specifically stated that he puts a LOT of weight and significance to Tommy's words and advice.   Predictably, you have come up with an interpretation that twists it into Rondo not considering it.

And if you think Tommy hasn't been yelling for the team to "push the ball" since well _before_ Rondo was even drafted you just plain have not been paying attention or watching the Celtics for very long.   He's yelled for that since as long as I can remember and he did indeed do so while the Big 3 were here.

Like i have said, so what if Rondo says he will consider the advice. He is not going to listen.  I bet 20 bucks he won't do it next game. And if he does do it, i will lose the 20 bucks GLADLY.

Tommy has been pressing now more than ever for the ball to be pushed. He stated at the end of last season that Rondo has learned bad habits. That team (big three) could slow down the pace and still win. They were getting old also. 

So its not like he is 24/7 to push the pace . He knows certain teams can't play that way. But this unit can to maximize things and minimize flaws

  Last year we were 17th in pace, right now we're 3rd. What makes you think he's not pushing the pace?

'...pace' is defined as "consistent and continuous speed."  How is this word defined as you are utilizing it here?  Just curious...

[kozlodoev]

'...pace' is defined as "consistent and continuous speed."  How is this word defined as you are utilizing it here?  Just curious...

Pace is typically measured as the number of possessions per basketball game. "Consistent and continuous speed" doesn't hold much basketball meaning.

[hwangjini_1]

'...pace' is defined as "consistent and continuous speed."  How is this word defined as you are utilizing it here?  Just curious...

Pace is typically measured as the number of possessions per basketball game. "Consistent and continuous speed" doesn't hold much basketball meaning.

Koz beat me to it, but here is a more formal definition:

Pace
Pace Factor (available since the 1973-74 season in the NBA); the formula is 48 * ((Tm Poss + Opp Poss) / (2 * (Tm MP / 5))). Pace factor is an estimate of the number of possessions per 48 minutes by a team. (Note: 40 minutes is used in the calculation for the WNBA.)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

so far this season, the celtics are tied for second place at 100.0....with philly!! 

last year the celtics were tied for 15th place at 95.9.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

[greece66]

Pace is one thing.
Pushing the pace is another.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

jesus christ give me a break. you are a child.

[BballTim]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

Wow.  Every one of those statements seems completely divorced from reality.  Did you even actually take time to _read_ the full story?   Rondo specifically stated that he puts a LOT of weight and significance to Tommy's words and advice.   Predictably, you have come up with an interpretation that twists it into Rondo not considering it.

And if you think Tommy hasn't been yelling for the team to "push the ball" since well _before_ Rondo was even drafted you just plain have not been paying attention or watching the Celtics for very long.   He's yelled for that since as long as I can remember and he did indeed do so while the Big 3 were here.

Like i have said, so what if Rondo says he will consider the advice. He is not going to listen.  I bet 20 bucks he won't do it next game. And if he does do it, i will lose the 20 bucks GLADLY.

Tommy has been pressing now more than ever for the ball to be pushed. He stated at the end of last season that Rondo has learned bad habits. That team (big three) could slow down the pace and still win. They were getting old also. 

So its not like he is 24/7 to push the pace . He knows certain teams can't play that way. But this unit can to maximize things and minimize flaws

  Last year we were 17th in pace, right now we're 3rd. What makes you think he's not pushing the pace?

'...pace' is defined as "consistent and continuous speed."  How is this word defined as you are utilizing it here?  Just curious...

  As the basketball stat. There are plenty of websites you could go to if you want to learn it's meaning in that context.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

If any part of that last sentence was true, why has he adhered to what Stevens is calling for him to do out there this season?

One question for you:
Do you think Kobe does what the coach says to him all the time?
Do you think Lebron does what the coach says to him all the time?

Coaches will not say eff Kobe he did not do what I said.

It's the NBA, star player often overrule coaches, the problem with Rondo is that he's nowhere near that good like prime Kobe or Lebron.

Those are two questions, and coaches bench players all the time, regardless of how the players feel about it.

Nice nitpicking. You get a big applaud for it!

So when was Kobe or Lebron benched? When was KG benched? I can tell this about other star players too.

It's not nitpicking at all, it's a fact. Remember when Pop benched Tim Duncan (and they lost the game) or when Spoelstra benched Hibbert (and they lost the game)? Both of those things happened in the playoffs, and there was a lot of hand-wringing about it.

Those were for single, last possession plays with the philosophy that they wanted to be able to switch everything (less than 10 seconds on the clock). that isn't benching. that is a defensive philosophy. which vogel admitted, and as circumstance proved, he wouldn't do again. it is in no way analogous.

[puskas54_10]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

jesus christ give me a break. you are a child.

Good job pal! Welcome to the ignorant club! I guess your opinion worth more than mine, and put plus 10 emoticon next time! Again very insightful comment!

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

And your lesson from that isn't that Tommy is a fickle homer? I love the guy, but when you put more stock in the color commentator than in people from the organization you are only trafficking in your own biases.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

  When people start assigning motives to players they generally go off the reservation. You've got zero evidence that Rondo's not doing what the coach wants him to.

I know you very well. You are the one guy on the site, who are making a sport about arguing. You always try get quibble things. And you are Rondo number one fan. So have a good time just not with me.

  And you seem to be one of the people in the thread that just don't like Rondo and criticize him for things that you rarely see happen in actual games. Case in point, the Celts take about 30% more shots in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock than the Spurs yet people are talking about how Parker always pushes the pace but Rondo "walks the ball up the court like an old man". Watch a game some time, pay attention to all the plays and not just a few, and watch what happens on both ends of the court. Or at least attempt to.

Amen. The willful ignorance around here is crazy. Stats, reality, doesn't matter. Will still go forth with their ignorant theories and uneducated propositions. Bunch of morons. TP

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

Wow.  Every one of those statements seems completely divorced from reality.  Did you even actually take time to _read_ the full story?   Rondo specifically stated that he puts a LOT of weight and significance to Tommy's words and advice.   Predictably, you have come up with an interpretation that twists it into Rondo not considering it.

And if you think Tommy hasn't been yelling for the team to "push the ball" since well _before_ Rondo was even drafted you just plain have not been paying attention or watching the Celtics for very long.   He's yelled for that since as long as I can remember and he did indeed do so while the Big 3 were here.

Like i have said, so what if Rondo says he will consider the advice. He is not going to listen.  I bet 20 bucks he won't do it next game. And if he does do it, i will lose the 20 bucks GLADLY.

Tommy has been pressing now more than ever for the ball to be pushed. He stated at the end of last season that Rondo has learned bad habits. That team (big three) could slow down the pace and still win. They were getting old also. 

So its not like he is 24/7 to push the pace . He knows certain teams can't play that way. But this unit can to maximize things and minimize flaws

No offense, I love Tommy, but he is an old man. An old man with set in stone convictions and greener eyed glasses than anyone on earth. Why all of a sudden you put the utmost stock in the color commentator, and find any disagreeing with him (WHEN THAT ISN"T EVEN WHAT HAPPENED---READ THE ARTICLE), to be the greatest offense known to man....well....that says a lot more about you and your own biases. Give me a break. You are a broken record. And the tune you played to begin with wasn't good.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

And your lesson from that isn't that Tommy is a fickle homer? I love the guy, but when you put more stock in the color commentator than in people from the organization you are only trafficking in your own biases.

See what i mean. No respect for a legend.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

Wow.  Every one of those statements seems completely divorced from reality.  Did you even actually take time to _read_ the full story?   Rondo specifically stated that he puts a LOT of weight and significance to Tommy's words and advice.   Predictably, you have come up with an interpretation that twists it into Rondo not considering it.

And if you think Tommy hasn't been yelling for the team to "push the ball" since well _before_ Rondo was even drafted you just plain have not been paying attention or watching the Celtics for very long.   He's yelled for that since as long as I can remember and he did indeed do so while the Big 3 were here.

Like i have said, so what if Rondo says he will consider the advice. He is not going to listen.  I bet 20 bucks he won't do it next game. And if he does do it, i will lose the 20 bucks GLADLY.

Tommy has been pressing now more than ever for the ball to be pushed. He stated at the end of last season that Rondo has learned bad habits. That team (big three) could slow down the pace and still win. They were getting old also. 

So its not like he is 24/7 to push the pace . He knows certain teams can't play that way. But this unit can to maximize things and minimize flaws

No offense, I love Tommy, but he is an old man. An old man with set in stone convictions and greener eyed glasses than anyone on earth. Why all of a sudden you put the utmost stock in the color commentator, and find any disagreeing with him (WHEN THAT ISN"T EVEN WHAT HAPPENED---READ THE ARTICLE), to be the greatest offense known to man....well....that says a lot more about you and your own biases. Give me a break. You are a broken record. And the tune you played to begin with wasn't good.

You fool, do you know how many rings he has won? As a player and a coach combined? Plus also advising for the team in the 80s that won a couple of more rings. I think he knows a little bit about the game

He is not only a color commentator. 

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

Rondo is a stubborn, inflexible player.  When Tommy says something it should be considered.

Next game, Rondo still walks up with the ball in the 4th and Tommy starts going crazy again.

Tommy was not like this when the big three were here. He wasn't big on the team pushing the pace bc things worked and we were winning.  Right now , things are different. Rondo does not get it

Rondo should listen to a guy that has won more rings then he can ever dream of winning. 

Some fans here still back up Rondo vs a Legend.  really?   How many rings has he won as a player and coach combined?

Wow.  Every one of those statements seems completely divorced from reality.  Did you even actually take time to _read_ the full story?   Rondo specifically stated that he puts a LOT of weight and significance to Tommy's words and advice.   Predictably, you have come up with an interpretation that twists it into Rondo not considering it.

And if you think Tommy hasn't been yelling for the team to "push the ball" since well _before_ Rondo was even drafted you just plain have not been paying attention or watching the Celtics for very long.   He's yelled for that since as long as I can remember and he did indeed do so while the Big 3 were here.

Like i have said, so what if Rondo says he will consider the advice. He is not going to listen.  I bet 20 bucks he won't do it next game. And if he does do it, i will lose the 20 bucks GLADLY.

Tommy has been pressing now more than ever for the ball to be pushed. He stated at the end of last season that Rondo has learned bad habits. That team (big three) could slow down the pace and still win. They were getting old also. 

So its not like he is 24/7 to push the pace . He knows certain teams can't play that way. But this unit can to maximize things and minimize flaws

  Last year we were 17th in pace, right now we're 3rd. What makes you think he's not pushing the pace?

'...pace' is defined as "consistent and continuous speed."  How is this word defined as you are utilizing it here?  Just curious...

If you don't know what pace means, as a stat, in the context of NBA basketball, and this very discussion, maybe you stop throwing insults and use that floaty to doggy paddle back to the shallow end of the pool.

[ChainSmokingLikeDino]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

jesus christ give me a break. you are a child.

Good job pal! Welcome to the ignorant club! I guess your opinion worth more than mine, and put plus 10 emoticon next time! Again very insightful comment!

Thanks, bro. if you can't tell sarcasm, well....Glad to be a member of that club in your esteem. The main point is that MOST OF THIS ISN'T OPINION. Myself, and others, have refuted your opinion with fact and you still hold that it is all opinion. That is the problem. And why a conversation can't be had. And that problem doesn't stem from those offering actual statistical reasoning. Capeche?