Looks like Tommy can't take it anymore

[TwinTower14]

30% free throw shooter for a PG is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long time.  For that reason alone, he shouldn't be on the court for the last couple of minutes of a game. 

2 Things with Rondo that drives me crazy...

1-He has not improved his shot at all, like not even a little bit
2- He refuses to play defense...

I mentioned it earlier, DA really misjudged this whole thing.  He should have traded him when he had the shot.  He has little value on the market right now.  Too many good PG's now, plus what team is going to give up anything for a guy that literally can't shoot?

[puskas54_10]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

Ummmm and you know this how?...

Do you by any chance have connections to CBS? Where are your facts? Also if Smart didn't make it, then Rondo would try to find a man that can or has a better look.. It's called having high BBIQ which Rondo has..

Also can't believe I read the word selfish and Rondo in the same sentence.. Back up your statements with stats and quotes..

Just watch the games. I watched more than 500 games with Rondo playing. I'm not blind.
Doc left this team because he doesn't want to coach a team that's best player is Rondo.

I never said he was selfish, so looks like people here don't even can read. I said it's the Rondo way or the highway.

You seriously underrate other players BBIQ. If Rondo is that smart he would know how he's hurting the team on offense that he can't shoot. He would practice till his arms falling off. He ruins spacing. Defenders backing off playing free safety.He can be the smatest player ever, he will not win many games if he can't improve his shooting. I bet Thibs is way smarter than Rondo. He just don't have the tools to succeed as a player. Rondo is not a coach, he's just one of the player, so improve your skills and let the coach orchestrate the offense, defense. Don't try to overrule your coach.

BTW You don't need to like my opinion. That's my opinion.

[puskas54_10]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

If any part of that last sentence was true, why has he adhered to what Stevens is calling for him to do out there this season?

One question for you:
Do you think Kobe does what the coach says to him all the time?
Do you think Lebron does what the coach says to him all the time?

Coaches will not say eff Kobe he did not do what I said.

It's the NBA, star player often overrule coaches, the problem with Rondo is that he's nowhere near that good like prime Kobe or Lebron.

[clover]

30% free throw shooter for a PG is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long time.  For that reason alone, he shouldn't be on the court for the last couple of minutes of a game. 

2 Things with Rondo that drives me crazy...

1-He has not improved his shot at all, like not even a little bit
2- He refuses to play defense...

I mentioned it earlier, DA really misjudged this whole thing.  He should have traded him when he had the shot.  He has little value on the market right now.  Too many good PG's now, plus what team is going to give up anything for a guy that literally can't shoot?

You may underestimate Wyc's say in the trading of stars.

[D.o.s.]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

If any part of that last sentence was true, why has he adhered to what Stevens is calling for him to do out there this season?

One question for you:
Do you think Kobe does what the coach says to him all the time?
Do you think Lebron does what the coach says to him all the time?

Coaches will not say eff Kobe he did not do what I said.

It's the NBA, star player often overrule coaches, the problem with Rondo is that he's nowhere near that good like prime Kobe or Lebron.

Those are two questions, and coaches bench players all the time, regardless of how the players feel about it.

[greece66]

I really do not get the frustration with RR.
He sure had some bad moments, but this is part of the game.
And as it has been pointed out already countless times, for a pass first PG like him, his game is dependent on who he plays with.
I think what is really going on is that many people are slowly realizing what this team really is. A bottom-ten in the NBA, with lots of inexperienced players who cannot cope with pressure.
As has already been said further up in the thread, no one is to blame for this apart from Ainge. But even with him, what is done is done,  so we'd better trust in his ability to turn these draft pick into something meaningful.
To my mind, the main point of Tommy discussing with RR was that he is the leader of the team. It was the paradigmatic exchange of wisdom between the old king and his favourite young prince. The exact content of the conversation is not known (nor does it really matter). It was a symbolical rally for Celtic pride and past glory- the last resort of the hopeless.
We are what we are, one more season of painful games is ahead of us, patience (and beer) is all we are left with.

[puskas54_10]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

If any part of that last sentence was true, why has he adhered to what Stevens is calling for him to do out there this season?

One question for you:
Do you think Kobe does what the coach says to him all the time?
Do you think Lebron does what the coach says to him all the time?

Coaches will not say eff Kobe he did not do what I said.

It's the NBA, star player often overrule coaches, the problem with Rondo is that he's nowhere near that good like prime Kobe or Lebron.

Those are two questions, and coaches bench players all the time, regardless of how the players feel about it.

Nice nitpicking. You get a big applaud for it!

So when was Kobe or Lebron benched? When was KG benched? I can tell this about other star players too.

[greece66]

30% free throw shooter for a PG is the most ridiculous thing I have seen in a long time.  For that reason alone, he shouldn't be on the court for the last couple of minutes of a game. 

2 Things with Rondo that drives me crazy...

1-He has not improved his shot at all, like not even a little bit
2- He refuses to play defense...

I mentioned it earlier, DA really misjudged this whole thing.  He should have traded him when he had the shot.  He has little value on the market right now.  Too many good PG's now, plus what team is going to give up anything for a guy that literally can't shoot?

You may underestimate Wyc's say in the trading of stars.

On a side note, I'm pretty sure one day a story (a la Tony Parker) will emerge where Giannis will explain that Ainge had chosen him, but Wyc (or someone else) had last-minute qualms. Still, the GM is always to blame, it's in the job description.

[GreenWarrior]

why does "pushing the pace" fall squarely on Rondo's shoulders? if Stevens is really concerned about it? "pushing the pace" doesn't have to start with the PG. in fact I can't stand when we stall a possession by concerning ourselves with taking time to look for the PG instead of just passing the ball up the court. if the D gets back then get the ball to the PG and set your offense.

"pushing the pace" is a team philosophy not a single player philosophy.

[Monkhouse]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

Ummmm and you know this how?...

Do you by any chance have connections to CBS? Where are your facts? Also if Smart didn't make it, then Rondo would try to find a man that can or has a better look.. It's called having high BBIQ which Rondo has..

Also can't believe I read the word selfish and Rondo in the same sentence.. Back up your statements with stats and quotes..

Just watch the games. I watched more than 500 games with Rondo playing. I'm not blind.
Doc left this team because he doesn't want to coach a team that's best player is Rondo.

I never said he was selfish, so looks like people here don't even can read. I said it's the Rondo way or the highway.

You seriously underrate other players BBIQ. If Rondo is that smart he would know how he's hurting the team on offense that he can't shoot. He would practice till his arms falling off. He ruins spacing. Defenders backing off playing free safety.He can be the smatest player ever, he will not win many games if he can't improve his shooting. I bet Thibs is way smarter than Rondo. He just don't have the tools to succeed as a player. Rondo is not a coach, he's just one of the player, so improve your skills and let the coach orchestrate the offense, defense. Don't try to overrule your coach.

BTW You don't need to like my opinion. That's my opinion.

Exactly. Nothing factual, just another triboy type of post.

Also... how does Rondo always manage to suck the defense in consistently...? Doesn't the act of driving open up shots from the perimeter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

[D.o.s.]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

If any part of that last sentence was true, why has he adhered to what Stevens is calling for him to do out there this season?

One question for you:
Do you think Kobe does what the coach says to him all the time?
Do you think Lebron does what the coach says to him all the time?

Coaches will not say eff Kobe he did not do what I said.

It's the NBA, star player often overrule coaches, the problem with Rondo is that he's nowhere near that good like prime Kobe or Lebron.

Those are two questions, and coaches bench players all the time, regardless of how the players feel about it.

Nice nitpicking. You get a big applaud for it!

So when was Kobe or Lebron benched? When was KG benched? I can tell this about other star players too.

It's not nitpicking at all, it's a fact. Remember when Pop benched Tim Duncan (and they lost the game) or when Spoelstra benched Hibbert (and they lost the game)? Both of those things happened in the playoffs, and there was a lot of hand-wringing about it.

[greece66]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

Ummmm and you know this how?...

Do you by any chance have connections to CBS? Where are your facts? Also if Smart didn't make it, then Rondo would try to find a man that can or has a better look.. It's called having high BBIQ which Rondo has..

Also can't believe I read the word selfish and Rondo in the same sentence.. Back up your statements with stats and quotes..

Just watch the games. I watched more than 500 games with Rondo playing. I'm not blind.
Doc left this team because he doesn't want to coach a team that's best player is Rondo.

I never said he was selfish, so looks like people here don't even can read. I said it's the Rondo way or the highway.

You seriously underrate other players BBIQ. If Rondo is that smart he would know how he's hurting the team on offense that he can't shoot. He would practice till his arms falling off. He ruins spacing. Defenders backing off playing free safety.He can be the smatest player ever, he will not win many games if he can't improve his shooting. I bet Thibs is way smarter than Rondo. He just don't have the tools to succeed as a player. Rondo is not a coach, he's just one of the player, so improve your skills and let the coach orchestrate the offense, defense. Don't try to overrule your coach.

BTW You don't need to like my opinion. That's my opinion.

Exactly. Nothing factual, just another triboy type of post.

Also... how does Rondo always manage to suck the defense in consistently...? Doesn't the act of driving open up shots from the perimeter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

TP for the memories.
This vid is a painful reminder that you can't have a Stockton without a Malone. Zeller or Kelly would have mishandled half of the passes that KG turned into highlights. Again, patience...

[puskas54_10]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

Ummmm and you know this how?...

Do you by any chance have connections to CBS? Where are your facts? Also if Smart didn't make it, then Rondo would try to find a man that can or has a better look.. It's called having high BBIQ which Rondo has..

Also can't believe I read the word selfish and Rondo in the same sentence.. Back up your statements with stats and quotes..

Just watch the games. I watched more than 500 games with Rondo playing. I'm not blind.
Doc left this team because he doesn't want to coach a team that's best player is Rondo.

I never said he was selfish, so looks like people here don't even can read. I said it's the Rondo way or the highway.

You seriously underrate other players BBIQ. If Rondo is that smart he would know how he's hurting the team on offense that he can't shoot. He would practice till his arms falling off. He ruins spacing. Defenders backing off playing free safety.He can be the smatest player ever, he will not win many games if he can't improve his shooting. I bet Thibs is way smarter than Rondo. He just don't have the tools to succeed as a player. Rondo is not a coach, he's just one of the player, so improve your skills and let the coach orchestrate the offense, defense. Don't try to overrule your coach.

BTW You don't need to like my opinion. That's my opinion.

Exactly. Nothing factual, just another triboy type of post.

Also... how does Rondo always manage to suck the defense in consistently...? Doesn't the act of driving open up shots from the perimeter?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTMcjdrjviY

I think you are offensive. I find it shameful, that people only can say this much like you. You clearly don't want to face what I wrote, so try to discredit me. I guess you are a sore looser in life too. I say nothing offensive for you yet you attack me.

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You guys are out of control. He's right, when the ball is going in time after time how in the hell are you supposed to push the pace? You might get a lucky quick basket once in a whole but that's because the other team has a brain fart after the made basket. The sours are different because they actually get stops

You push the pace bc we can outrun them on both ends. You push the pace offensively then you tire them out. We have the young legs to do it. But rondo does not understand this and wants to play half court basketball. The style where we will get burnt defensively

[puskas54_10]

{Of Heinsohn's advice, Rondo said, "Just stay positive. Continue to push the pace -- in the fourth quarter we tend to walk the ball up the court. Myself, I was just sharing my thoughts about how it’s hard to push the pace when the ball’s going through the net every time. It’s just difficult. Like I said, it starts on the defensive end of the floor."}

So he knows where the problem is and tried to tell Rondo (not the first time obviously)
and Rondo, either is making excuses to not to do it, or he want's to but simply can't do it

I'm pretty sure the spurs pushs the pace almost everytime in the finals no matter it's a made basket or not, so it can be done, and that shows how Rondo's playstyle(mentality) doesn't fit BS's motion offense-pace&space system, yet

My only take away from this is that Rondo is doing what Rondo thinks is the best. You can say anything to him, and you can be anybody (even Tommy) he will do what he thinks is the best, not what coaches or respected former players say or just suggest. He's clearly not an easy player to deal with. He's a stobborn as a mule.The problem is he's not the superstar he thinks he is like younger Kobe or Lebron. So not worth the ado.

Hmm..well from the quotes he gave (I posted them on page 2) seems to say the opposite of what you think.

"Tommy is a guy I've been talking to since Day One," Rondo said. "He's been a big fan of mine and I believe in what he's done here in the past. He's done it all. Anytime a guy like Tommy wants to share something, I always try to listen."

"He's the biggest supporter here," Rondo said of Heinsohn. "He's here every night, at every home game. He's rooting for us. He wants the best for our team. And he had some good advice for me. I'm going to take it and share that with my guys and figure some things out."

I know Rondo the player pretty well. As a Ray Allen fan I eagerly watched this team since 2007, even after Ray left. He will do what he wants and thinks is best. He's not a mean guy off the field I bet, so he says respectful things to Tommy, but he really don't give a crap, he will do his things on the court as he wants. No Big 3 anymore to take a backseat. It's his show.

So I guess that's why he gave the ball to Smart to run the offense when he crossed half court on multiple occasions . Or Turner and Green . He sets KO up for open threes that he just passes on ,but it all comes back to Rondo's selfishness, I see....

He's not selfish. He just thinks he's above other players on the team. He gave up the ball because he thought that's the best option, if Smart will fail to generate offense in Rondo's book he will get the ball fewer. The point is: Rondo does what he believes the best for the team, not what the coach says.

If any part of that last sentence was true, why has he adhered to what Stevens is calling for him to do out there this season?

One question for you:
Do you think Kobe does what the coach says to him all the time?
Do you think Lebron does what the coach says to him all the time?

Coaches will not say eff Kobe he did not do what I said.

It's the NBA, star player often overrule coaches, the problem with Rondo is that he's nowhere near that good like prime Kobe or Lebron.

Those are two questions, and coaches bench players all the time, regardless of how the players feel about it.

Nice nitpicking. You get a big applaud for it!

So when was Kobe or Lebron benched? When was KG benched? I can tell this about other star players too.

It's not nitpicking at all, it's a fact. Remember when Pop benched Tim Duncan (and they lost the game) or when Spoelstra benched Hibbert (and they lost the game)? Both of those things happened in the playoffs, and there was a lot of hand-wringing about it.

You clearly not understand what I mean. You can bench players for tactical reasons. I talk about benching somebody because of not doing the earlier said plays.