Spurs (11-4) at Celtics (4-9) Game #14 11/30/14

[KeepRondo]

i dont see how a single celtic is to blame for the repeated 4th quarter woes. it takes a collective effort to suck this much, and that is what happens time after time.

the celtics simply are an over all bad team that cannot keep up with opponents when opponents play hard and well in the 4th quarter.

this isnt about rondo not doing this or that. or thornton making or not making shots. or turner, or sully, or olly, or green, or bradley. thus far this season, each of the celtics have failed somehow in the fourth quarter, but none of them should have to be single handedly responsible for "saving" this team in close games.

collectively this team is a poor team on a number of levels. singling out this or that player does no one any good or gains us any meaningful insights.

Good point. But this all started cause I said I as done with the Kelly experiment. I'm not blaming him for the loss. He certainly had a big part in it but nobody stepped up. We lack the play makers who can create their own shot. Closest thing we have is Turner who turns the ball over too much. And then there's Green but his handle is too high and has a tough time getting in the lane without a running start and using those two gigantic steps he takes. Maybe Young can be that guy in the future.

[Kuberski33]

Anyone else notice that this slide down the tubes started when Smart got hurt?  He's our toughness.

[Celtics4ever]

They played simply to keep with us, I told my son they will floor us in the fourth and they did.  I do not think we played well, I think they were coasting.  I think we have three players who play on the Spurs.   One name has two o's, one two ee's and one two ll's.

We have to be tanking it's the only reason to play Oly in the fourth.


We might win two games this week, though.

[MBunge]

Anyone else done with this Olynyk experiment?

KO has the second best +\- of the game.  Rondo and Jeff Green had by far the worst.

Mike

He got those stats cause Thornton and Turner were hitting shots in that second unit. That +- is over rated. Olynyk had very little to do with it.

Did you not see all the awkward fouls and forced shots and clumsy plays?

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Did you see KO on the floor when the Celtics imploded in the fourth?

Mike

Did you not watch the game? He played during that stretch. He came in when it was still close and then came out after several clumsy fouls and fumbling the ball. I think he came out after it was 15 point game.

KO came in at 9:14 of the 4th with Boston down 85-77, so the collapse started with KO on the bench.  Between 9:14 and 6:09 when KO came out, here are the negative plays by Boston.

Bradley miss.
Rondo foul.
KO foul.
KO miss.
Sully miss.
Sully foul.
Sully turnover.
Sully foul.
KO turnover.

Spurs 94 Boston 79, and it got worse after that.

To recap...

The team was playing like crap with KO on the bench.  KO came in and played like crap.  At the same time, Sully was playing just as bad if not worse.  KO goes to the bench and the team keeps playing like crap.

I don't want to make any excuses for KO, but he's not the biggest thing wrong with this team.

Mike

[MBunge]

And +\- is a flawed stat, but...

Rondo 31 minutes -19
Green 30 minutes -28
Bradley 27 minutes -11
Zeller 23 minutes -15
Bass 19 minutes -13
Sully 26 minutes -9
KO 25 minutes -3

Now, that -3 may not say much about how KO played, but I think it is dumb to talk about the KO experiment being over but not the Rondo experiment or the Bradley experiment or the Green experiment.

Mike

[KeepRondo]

And +\- is a flawed stat, but...

Rondo 31 minutes -19
Green 30 minutes -28
Bradley 27 minutes -11
Zeller 23 minutes -15
Bass 19 minutes -13
Sully 26 minutes -9
KO 25 minutes -3

Now, that -3 may not say much about how KO played, but I think it is dumb to talk about the KO experiment being over but not the Rondo experiment or the Bradley experiment or the Green experiment.

Mike

Bass had a minus 13 and if you think Olynyk played better than bass because of this +- bs you must had been sleeping during the game.

[MBunge]

And +\- is a flawed stat, but...

Rondo 31 minutes -19
Green 30 minutes -28
Bradley 27 minutes -11
Zeller 23 minutes -15
Bass 19 minutes -13
Sully 26 minutes -9
KO 25 minutes -3

Now, that -3 may not say much about how KO played, but I think it is dumb to talk about the KO experiment being over but not the Rondo experiment or the Bradley experiment or the Green experiment.

Mike

Bass had a minus 13 and if you think Olynyk played better than bass because of this +- bs you must had been sleeping during the game.

I didn't say KO layer better than Bass.  I didn't say KO played better than anyone.  I'm just saying that KO should not be the scapegoat when the problems with this team run a lot deeper.

Mike

[KeepRondo]

And +\- is a flawed stat, but...

Rondo 31 minutes -19
Green 30 minutes -28
Bradley 27 minutes -11
Zeller 23 minutes -15
Bass 19 minutes -13
Sully 26 minutes -9
KO 25 minutes -3

Now, that -3 may not say much about how KO played, but I think it is dumb to talk about the KO experiment being over but not the Rondo experiment or the Bradley experiment or the Green experiment.

Mike

Bass had a minus 13 and if you think Olynyk played better than bass because of this +- bs you must had been sleeping during the game.

I didn't say KO layer better than Bass.  I didn't say KO played better than anyone.  I'm just saying that KO should not be the scapegoat when the problems with this team run a lot deeper.

Mike

my point is your +- stats mean little.

[Who]

And +\- is a flawed stat, but...

Rondo 31 minutes -19
Green 30 minutes -28
Bradley 27 minutes -11
Zeller 23 minutes -15
Bass 19 minutes -13
Sully 26 minutes -9
KO 25 minutes -3

Now, that -3 may not say much about how KO played, but I think it is dumb to talk about the KO experiment being over but not the Rondo experiment or the Bradley experiment or the Green experiment.

Mike

I am ready to move on from Bradley too. As well as Olynyk.

I think Rondo and Jeff Green are keepers on perimeter. Not wild about how Bradley and them are as a perimeter unit. Bradley is the one I'd jettison.

Sully is a keeper for me at PF. I am happy with Zeller and Bass as backup bigs.

[Celtics4ever]

Sully is a keeper only if you have a rim protector with him.   Offensively, he is good but defensively he is poor but a solid rebounder.   He looked average today against the Spurs.

[Tr1boy]

How did powell play today?

[Chief]

And +\- is a flawed stat, but...

Rondo 31 minutes -19
Green 30 minutes -28
Bradley 27 minutes -11
Zeller 23 minutes -15
Bass 19 minutes -13
Sully 26 minutes -9
KO 25 minutes -3

Now, that -3 may not say much about how KO played, but I think it is dumb to talk about the KO experiment being over but not the Rondo experiment or the Bradley experiment or the Green experiment.

Mike

Bass had a minus 13 and if you think Olynyk played better than bass because of this +- bs you must had been sleeping during the game.

how about the Bass fast break? trade that dude now!

[hwangjini_1]

How did powell play today?

powell's numbers:

4:19 minutes
6 points (almost 50 points per 36 minutes!!!!!)
1 rebound
1 steal
3/4 on shots, 0-1 for 3 pointers
2 turnovers, apple i think.

i am surprised i have not seen any "start young" threads yets.

[inverselock]

Are we allowed to play teams below 0.500 this season?

[Celtics4ever]

Powell is the most athletic big we have aside Green or Bass.  He is active but a work in progress.