Will Sacramento go for Rondo without an extension guarantee?

[BballTim]

To think you would rather have soon to be 29 year old Rondo over just turned 21 year old Drummond going forward is laughable. Drummond is one of the most unattainable players in the league for good reason. The guy averaged 13.5 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 1.6 BPG, and shot 62% from the field. Is he limited offensively and a liability at the FT line? Sure, but Rondo isn't? However, one player is a big (something we lack) and one player is a PG (a position we just drafted).

You probably haven't seen Drummond play that much, if at all, and bash him simply because many say they would trade Rondo for him.

  And I'd guess that you don't know much about him other than his stats and youtube dunk highlights. You also don't seem to be able to differentiate between the league leader in assists and a player who's team plays close to 4 on 5 on offense with him when you use "offensively limited", which is pretty unsurprising.

Right, because Drummond in only his second season averaged (13.5) almost identical to Rondo's career high (13.7).

By that "4 on 5" comment I can definitely tell you haven't seen Drummond play. The guy is is an inside player, who usually scores off of putbacks and rolls to the basket, and has to be covered all the time because he plays inside. Are you trying to insinuate that teams leave him alone under the basket? This you know, is part of the problem with Detroit. Monroe and Drummond both need to be inside. Drummond's presence has caused Monroe to change his game an be further out than he needs to be.

It's funny that you used that "4 on 5" because how many teams do exactly that on us when Rondo doesn't have the ball? I also noticed you edited my post and didn't want to discuss Rondo's other stellar contributions in the last minute of the Cavs game.

  I'll address the rest of this when I have more time, but I'd like to point out that someone who's one of the bigger proponents of floor spacing in the free world when it comes to criticizing Rondo is claiming that Drummond is making a contribution to the Detroit offense by insuring that the opposing team's rim protector doesn't have to stray from the rim. Hilarious.

Surely you must see the difference between a big man not having a perimeter game vs a guard not having one. Tim, you'll stand at nothing to back up your hero.

  Sure, I know the difference between a big man not having a perimeter game and a guard not having a perimeter game. I also know that you're commenting on something I didn't say and trying to dress it up as "backing up my hero". Your imagination is getting the better of you again. Nice try though.

[Eddie20]

To think you would rather have soon to be 29 year old Rondo over just turned 21 year old Drummond going forward is laughable. Drummond is one of the most unattainable players in the league for good reason. The guy averaged 13.5 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 1.6 BPG, and shot 62% from the field. Is he limited offensively and a liability at the FT line? Sure, but Rondo isn't? However, one player is a big (something we lack) and one player is a PG (a position we just drafted).

You probably haven't seen Drummond play that much, if at all, and bash him simply because many say they would trade Rondo for him.

  And I'd guess that you don't know much about him other than his stats and youtube dunk highlights. You also don't seem to be able to differentiate between the league leader in assists and a player who's team plays close to 4 on 5 on offense with him when you use "offensively limited", which is pretty unsurprising.

Right, because Drummond in only his second season averaged (13.5) almost identical to Rondo's career high (13.7).

By that "4 on 5" comment I can definitely tell you haven't seen Drummond play. The guy is is an inside player, who usually scores off of putbacks and rolls to the basket, and has to be covered all the time because he plays inside. Are you trying to insinuate that teams leave him alone under the basket? This you know, is part of the problem with Detroit. Monroe and Drummond both need to be inside. Drummond's presence has caused Monroe to change his game an be further out than he needs to be.

It's funny that you used that "4 on 5" because how many teams do exactly that on us when Rondo doesn't have the ball? I also noticed you edited my post and didn't want to discuss Rondo's other stellar contributions in the last minute of the Cavs game.

  I'll address the rest of this when I have more time, but I'd like to point out that someone who's one of the bigger proponents of floor spacing in the free world when it comes to criticizing Rondo is claiming that Drummond is making a contribution to the Detroit offense by insuring that the opposing team's rim protector doesn't have to stray from the rim. Hilarious.

Surely you must see the difference between a big man not having a perimeter game vs a guard not having one. Tim, you'll stand at nothing to back up your hero.

  Sure, I know the difference between a big man not having a perimeter game and a guard not having a perimeter game. I also know that you're commenting on something I didn't say and trying to dress it up as "backing up my hero". Your imagination is getting the better of you again. Nice try though.

Weak. 

[Csfan1984]

Monroe is basically untradeable.  He has a no trade clause and you can't use Bird rights to re-sign him so you have to use cap room.

No trade clause will expire and team will have plenty of cap.

[TheFlex]

I dont think Rondo is getting moved this season, my gut feeling is that DA lets it ride and hopes for fireworks this offseason.


That being said,

My 3 team deal

Cs get Henson, Stauskas
Cs trade Rondo

Kings get Rondo
Kings trade Collison, Stauskas, Williams, loto protected 1st

Bucks get Collison, D Williams, kings 1st
Bucks trade Henson

Cs, Not the greatest of trades for the Cs but they get two high value young players. More trade involving Bass and or green would likely have to follow.

Kings, get Rondo creating a core of Rondo, Cousins and Gay

Bucks, get a starting PG and allow Knight to play his more natural role as a SG. The first takes some of the sting out of trading Henson but they haven't played him a lot so I question how much the franchise values him. This is not a great trade for the bucks but one that might help them start winning more games and building their young core. 

Rondo's going nowhere this season.  no reason to trade him.

having said that, Henson and Stauskas for Rondo is horrible.  just horrible.  we're loaded at SG already and Henson would have a **** of a time getting minutes here as it is and that's with our current roster. 

Rondo should only be traded if we're getting a better player back.  period.  the likelihood someone better would be coming here in a trade is unlikely and if they were, the point of the trade would be to pair that player with Rondo. 

the fascination with trading our best player for crap to make this team worse astounds me

Your fascination with Rondo astounds the rest of us. Rondo is a great player, an All-Star no doubt, but his value as a franchise player is fairly debatable and he's going to be a free agent at the end of the year, asking for a max, as he enters the last stint of his prime. Perhaps he'll buck the trend of 28-32 year old All-Stars leaving young, mediocre teams for greener grasses, but that's hardly something you can bank on when rebuilding a team from scratch.

I personally like the trade I proposed a few pages ago in which we net McLemore, Henson and Thomas Robinson, but this trade isn't nearly as bad as you make it seem. Stauskas was a top ten pick in one of the better drafts of the last decade. We're not "loaded" at SG, we have Avery Bradley and Marcus Thornton (expiring contract). Turner and James Young are better suited at SF. So essentially we'd have a three-guard rotation of Smart, Bradley and Stauskas. Hardly overcrowded, but even if you consider it to be, why is that a bad problem to have?

Henson has legit potential as a two-way center who fulfills our greatest needs: shot-blocking and athletic low post D as a whole. He's only 23 and has put on the weight to play center. Perhaps you should do your research before suggesting that you don't want another PF stuck behind Sullynyk in a Rondo trade.

[Moranis]

Monroe is basically untradeable.  He has a no trade clause and you can't use Bird rights to re-sign him so you have to use cap room.

No trade clause will expire and team will have plenty of cap.

The no trade clause means Monroe has to want to go to Boston and has to want to go there without Rondo.  But the larger point is, why give up assets for Monroe when you can just sign him this summer and when Detroit has no advantage over any other team and pretty darn good odds Monroe leaves them (based on what happened last summer).  Boston also wouldn't be in a better position than any other team with cap space because it can't offer him an extra year or more money.  I suspect Monroe is going to get a max offer (and is that something Boston is going to want to give him) and then it will come down where he wants to be.  Monroe grew up in Louisiana and went to college at Georgetown so he has no ties to Boston.  Boston has Sullinger and Olynyk he would be competing for playing time with.  Maybe he comes here (or re-signs after a trade), but it is a pretty large risk to take with giving up your best asset.

[LarBrd33]

I have Ben Mclemore in one of my fantasy leagues.  Amazing to me that people can call a 21 year old kid a "bust" after a single season.  He proved he could shoot in College.   I still expect him to have a solid career.

So far in 10 games he's averaging 10 points with shooting percentages of 45%/41%/87%

[snively]

Sacramento doesn't have a good trade package for Rondo. I don't understand the McLemore fever for one - what makes him preferable to James Young as a project exactly? And Sacramento's picks (the ones that they are allowed to trade that is - the OP's trade isn't possible) aren't likely to be all that desirable with a Rondo/Gay/Cousins trio intact.

[snively]

I have Ben Mclemore in one of my fantasy leagues.  Amazing to me that people can call a 21 year old kid a "bust" after a single season.  He proved he could shoot in College.   I still expect him to have a solid career.

So far in 10 games he's averaging 10 points with shooting percentages of 45%/41%/87%

10ppg isn't all that impressive in 31 mpg for a guard that was drafted in the lotto for his scoring ability.

[TheFlex]

Sacramento doesn't have a good trade package for Rondo. I don't understand the McLemore fever for one - what makes him preferable to James Young as a project exactly? And Sacramento's picks (the ones that they are allowed to trade that is - the OP's trade isn't possible) aren't likely to be all that desirable with a Rondo/Gay/Cousins trio intact.

Would you take McLemore, Henson and Thomas Robinson for Rondo? If so, look at my trade proposition on the second page of this thread and tell me what you believe is unrealistic about it. Are there small changes that need to be made? Big ones?

[Eddie20]

I have Ben Mclemore in one of my fantasy leagues.  Amazing to me that people can call a 21 year old kid a "bust" after a single season.  He proved he could shoot in College.   I still expect him to have a solid career.

So far in 10 games he's averaging 10 points with shooting percentages of 45%/41%/87%

10ppg isn't all that impressive in 31 mpg for a guard that was drafted in the lotto for his scoring ability.

He's playing the right way. He doesn't look lost out there anymore. He's definitely progressing and his play is a reason why Stauskas is only playing 15 mpg.

[LarBrd33]

I have Ben Mclemore in one of my fantasy leagues.  Amazing to me that people can call a 21 year old kid a "bust" after a single season.  He proved he could shoot in College.   I still expect him to have a solid career.

So far in 10 games he's averaging 10 points with shooting percentages of 45%/41%/87%

10ppg isn't all that impressive in 31 mpg for a guard that was drafted in the lotto for his scoring ability.

He's playing the right way. He doesn't look lost out there anymore. He's definitely progressing and his play is a reason why Stauskas is only playing 15 mpg.

He's scoring 10PPG efficiently right now.  He shares an offense with Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins... I wouldn't expect him to take 15 shots a night right now.   Point is, the kid is 21 and shows signs of developing into a really good shooting guard.

[D Dub]

Sacramento looks really good so far this year. They're 6-4 after beating San Antonio last night. DMC looks like he's coming into his own as a legitimate franchise player. Could they contend in the Western Conference with our very own Rajon Rondo?

I think a Big Three of Rondo/Gay/DMC with a surrounding cast of guys like Collinson, Stauskas, Casspi, Thompson, etc. could, at the very least, make some noise in the playoffs. They'd have a puncher's chance of reaching the Finals.

This is a scenario I'm interested in seeing play out. I was unconvinced that they'd go for Rondo without a guarantee that he'd stay if they started out the season playing as they did last year. Will their hungry owner relent on Rondo's insistence on testing free agency now that he has a team that's just one piece away from contending?

Here's a three-team scenario I've found myself warming up to:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nn6xptg

BOS trades: Rajon Rondo
BOS receives: Raymond Felton, Ben McLemore, Greg Smith, 2015 SAC 1st, 2016 SAC 1st

SAC trades: Ben McLemore, Carl Landry, 2015 SAC 1st, 2016 SAC 1st
SAC receives: Rajon Rondo, 2015 DAL 1st

DAL trades: Raymond Felton, Greg Smith, 2015 DAL 1st
DAL receives: Carl Landry

Yes? No? Why or why not? Should we get Dallas' 1st?

edit: SAC's playoff rotation:

Rondo/D. Collison/Ramon Sessions
Stauskas/[Casspi]/[R. Sessions]
Gay/Omri Casspi
Thompson/Reggie Evans
DMC

I'd do Rondo/Wallace straight up for Gay & McLemore.

That would be a nice rebuild-on-the-fly move because you would still have another package (Sully\Green\picks) to go after a big a la Sanders/Hibbert/Horford.

Enter the Marcus Smart era.

Smart
McLemore
Gay
Olynyk
Horford

[Endless Paradise]

I have Ben Mclemore in one of my fantasy leagues.  Amazing to me that people can call a 21 year old kid a "bust" after a single season.  He proved he could shoot in College.   I still expect him to have a solid career.

So far in 10 games he's averaging 10 points with shooting percentages of 45%/41%/87%

10ppg isn't all that impressive in 31 mpg for a guard that was drafted in the lotto for his scoring ability.

He was drafted for his shooting ability -- big difference.

[snively]

I have Ben Mclemore in one of my fantasy leagues.  Amazing to me that people can call a 21 year old kid a "bust" after a single season.  He proved he could shoot in College.   I still expect him to have a solid career.

So far in 10 games he's averaging 10 points with shooting percentages of 45%/41%/87%

10ppg isn't all that impressive in 31 mpg for a guard that was drafted in the lotto for his scoring ability.

He was drafted for his shooting ability -- big difference.

He wasn't drafted in the mid-lotto to average the same amount of points as Rondo.  They wanted him to be a Klay Thompson/Bradley Beal/Terrence Ross type prospect.

He might still get there but right now he's playing the Keith Bogans role of 5th option wing/spot shooter.

[snively]

I have Ben Mclemore in one of my fantasy leagues.  Amazing to me that people can call a 21 year old kid a "bust" after a single season.  He proved he could shoot in College.   I still expect him to have a solid career.

So far in 10 games he's averaging 10 points with shooting percentages of 45%/41%/87%

10ppg isn't all that impressive in 31 mpg for a guard that was drafted in the lotto for his scoring ability.

He's playing the right way. He doesn't look lost out there anymore. He's definitely progressing and his play is a reason why Stauskas is only playing 15 mpg.

He's scoring 10PPG efficiently right now.  He shares an offense with Rudy Gay and DeMarcus Cousins... I wouldn't expect him to take 15 shots a night right now.   Point is, the kid is 21 and shows signs of developing into a really good shooting guard.

Wouldn't you expect him to be the 3rd banana? Usage wise he's the 5th option behind Collison and Landry.

I get it - he's an athlete with good 2-guard size and a nice shot.  But he doesn't attack the rim, get to the line, or create for himself or others. 

Seems more like a Danny Green/Courtney Lee upside than the star potential a lot of people seem to be seeing.