Will Sacramento go for Rondo without an extension guarantee?

[Celtics4ever]

That SAC offer is trash.

[BballTim]

We are not getting a prime young player like drummond or klay thompson for rondo. So if a trade is going to happen ,mclemore, stauskus and maybe a pick is a dcent return for a half year rental

  Not so sure Drummond's really looking like the star everyone thinks he is, but that's for another thread.

So you'd rather have Rondo than Drummond going forward?

I'd rather have the ball in Rondo's hands than Drummond's down two with less than ten seconds left.   

I guess you somehow erased what happened last game.  I rather feed the ball to Drummond in the post with less than 10 seconds less

  I guess you somehow erased Drummond's entire career, assuming you've ever seen him play.

yes i have. And unlike Rondo he doesn't try to be a player he is not.

  Frankly you're better off saying you've never seen him play than say you have and talking about feeding him the ball in the post for your last second shot. At least you'd have an excuse for that comment. Secondly, how exactly does Rondo try and be a player he's not? I'll bet dollars to doughnuts the answer will be you criticizing him for doing something you've attacked him for not doing in other games.

BBALLTIM sometimes i'm not sure if your serious.

Did you not see what he did with 7 seconds left the last game? Or what he didn't do. HE didn't even take a shot before time ended.   If he knew even 50 percent in that instance the thing he had to do, he would of shot the ball regardless how ugly of a shot it was before the clock ended . If you don't have experience or are not that kind of player, than pass the ball quickly.

I'm starting to think Rondo has mediocre IQ.  He might be mistaken to be smart but is really just unorthodox.

  Sure, I saw that one play. But then there probably aren't many star players that I haven't seen do something stupid with the ball in a situation like that. Likewise, I've seen Rondo make big plays late in games to get/preserve wins. You can't base your opinion of an entire career on one play.

  Also, even if you can't figure it out for yourself, you've probably heard Doc, Danny, Brad, KG, PP and numerous teammates talk about how smart Rondo is and how high his BBIQ is. Clearly you don't like Rondo but you're just making yourself look ridiculous when you say things like that.

[Csfan1984]

I'm sure if there was a third team something could get done.  Was remembering Kings, and Pistons trade talks as well as C's and Pistons dealings. Perhaps the following would appeal to the teams.

C's trade: Rondo, Fav, Wallace.
C's get: Monroe, McLemore, J.Thompson, Williams, a 2nd.

Kings trade: Stauskas, McLemore,  J.Thompson, Williams.
Kings get: Rondo, and Wallace.

Pistons trade: Monroe and a 2nd.
Pistons get: Stauskas, and Fav.

Celtics new roster
Starters: Smart, AB, Green*, Olynyk, Monroe*
Bench: Turner, Pressey, McLemore,  Thornton*, Young, Williams*, Bass*, Powell, Thompson, Sully, Zeller

*= Guys with one year left likely. Hopefully team resigns Monroe which I don't see why not given cap space on team and his best position is Center.

[BballTim]

I'm sure if there was a third team something could get done.  Was remembering Kings, and Pistons trade talks as well as C's and Pistons dealings. Perhaps the following would appeal to the teams.

C's trade: Rondo, Fav, Wallace.
C's get: Monroe, McLemore, J.Thompson, Williams, a 2nd.

Kings trade: Stauskas, McLemore,  J.Thompson, Williams.
Kings get: Rondo, and Wallace.

Pistons trade: Monroe and a 2nd.
Pistons get: Stauskas, and Fav.

Celtics new roster
Starters: Smart, AB, Green*, Olynyk, Monroe*
Bench: Turner, Pressey, McLemore,  Thornton*, Young, Williams*, Bass*, Powell, Thompson, Sully, Zeller

*= Guys with one year left likely. Hopefully team resigns Monroe which I don't see why not given cap space on team and his best position is Center.

  If Det will just give away Monroe so cheaply we should just pick him up and go from there.

[Eddie20]

We are not getting a prime young player like drummond or klay thompson for rondo. So if a trade is going to happen ,mclemore, stauskus and maybe a pick is a dcent return for a half year rental

  Not so sure Drummond's really looking like the star everyone thinks he is, but that's for another thread.

So you'd rather have Rondo than Drummond going forward?

I'd rather have the ball in Rondo's hands than Drummond's down two with less than ten seconds left.   

I guess you somehow erased what happened last game.  I rather feed the ball to Drummond in the post with less than 10 seconds less

  I guess you somehow erased Drummond's entire career, assuming you've ever seen him play.

yes i have. And unlike Rondo he doesn't try to be a player he is not.

  Frankly you're better off saying you've never seen him play than say you have and talking about feeding him the ball in the post for your last second shot. At least you'd have an excuse for that comment. Secondly, how exactly does Rondo try and be a player he's not? I'll bet dollars to doughnuts the answer will be you criticizing him for doing something you've attacked him for not doing in other games.

BBALLTIM sometimes i'm not sure if your serious.

Did you not see what he did with 7 seconds left the last game? Or what he didn't do. HE didn't even take a shot before time ended.   If he knew even 50 percent in that instance the thing he had to do, he would of shot the ball regardless how ugly of a shot it was before the clock ended . If you don't have experience or are not that kind of player, than pass the ball quickly.

I'm starting to think Rondo has mediocre IQ.  He might be mistaken to be smart but is really just unorthodox.

  Sure, I saw that one play. But then there probably aren't many star players that I haven't seen do something stupid with the ball in a situation like that. Likewise, I've seen Rondo make big plays late in games to get/preserve wins. You can't base your opinion of an entire career on one play.

  Also, even if you can't figure it out for yourself, you've probably heard Doc, Danny, Brad, KG, PP and numerous teammates talk about how smart Rondo is and how high his BBIQ is. Clearly you don't like Rondo but you're just making yourself look ridiculous when you say things like that.

Tim, it wasn't just that one play it was Rondo's play the entire last minute that was pure crap.

* High pick and roll with Sullinger, Cavs go below the screen (obviously), and Rondo misses an open 15 footer from the FT line extended.

* Rondo attempts to take it to James, gets stripped, and has the ball bounce of his leg giving the Cavs the ball.

* Rondo attempts to cover James, but gets blown by easily and has to foul James to prevent an easy basket. This one was very interesting to me since it appeared that Rondo simply failed to move his feet and James didn't muscle Rondo to get inside.

* On the infamous last play, Rondo is covered by Joe Harris on the perimeter. Here, basically every NBA star's eyes would light up and take it right at the rookie. Instead Rondo uses another high pick from Sullinger, which causes Marion to switch. Sullinger rolls, taking Harris with him, and now Rondo is isolated again, but this time against Marion. Instead of attacking and using his speed to get to the rim for a basket or to draw the foul, he bobbles the ball and allows time to elapse.

To think you would rather have soon to be 29 year old Rondo over just turned 21 year old Drummond going forward is laughable. Drummond is one of the most unattainable players in the league for good reason. The guy averaged 13.5 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 1.6 BPG, and shot 62% from the field. Is he limited offensively and a liability at the FT line? Sure, but Rondo isn't? However, one player is a big (something we lack) and one player is a PG (a position we just drafted).

You probably haven't seen Drummond play that much, if at all, and bash him simply because many say they would trade Rondo for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czs9XY6FRRw

[Csfan1984]

I'm sure if there was a third team something could get done.  Was remembering Kings, and Pistons trade talks as well as C's and Pistons dealings. Perhaps the following would appeal to the teams.

C's trade: Rondo, Fav, Wallace.
C's get: Monroe, McLemore, J.Thompson, Williams, a 2nd.

Kings trade: Stauskas, McLemore,  J.Thompson, Williams.
Kings get: Rondo, and Wallace.

Pistons trade: Monroe and a 2nd.
Pistons get: Stauskas, and Fav.

Celtics new roster
Starters: Smart, AB, Green*, Olynyk, Monroe*
Bench: Turner, Pressey, McLemore,  Thornton*, Young, Williams*, Bass*, Powell, Thompson, Sully, Zeller

*= Guys with one year left likely. Hopefully team resigns Monroe which I don't see why not given cap space on team and his best position is Center.

  If Det will just give away Monroe so cheaply we should just pick him up and go from there.

Don't think it is cheap. Stauskas was a high pick, rumors were Pistons wanted him bad but Kings didn't want Monroe.  This deal makes that trade happen. I am not even sure C's bite unless they really believe in Monroe and his resign to boot.

[BballTim]

To think you would rather have soon to be 29 year old Rondo over just turned 21 year old Drummond going forward is laughable. Drummond is one of the most unattainable players in the league for good reason. The guy averaged 13.5 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 1.6 BPG, and shot 62% from the field. Is he limited offensively and a liability at the FT line? Sure, but Rondo isn't? However, one player is a big (something we lack) and one player is a PG (a position we just drafted).

You probably haven't seen Drummond play that much, if at all, and bash him simply because many say they would trade Rondo for him.

  And I'd guess that you don't know much about him other than his stats and youtube dunk highlights. You also don't seem to be able to differentiate between the league leader in assists and a player who's team plays close to 4 on 5 on offense with him when you use "offensively limited", which is pretty unsurprising.

[Eddie20]

To think you would rather have soon to be 29 year old Rondo over just turned 21 year old Drummond going forward is laughable. Drummond is one of the most unattainable players in the league for good reason. The guy averaged 13.5 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 1.6 BPG, and shot 62% from the field. Is he limited offensively and a liability at the FT line? Sure, but Rondo isn't? However, one player is a big (something we lack) and one player is a PG (a position we just drafted).

You probably haven't seen Drummond play that much, if at all, and bash him simply because many say they would trade Rondo for him.

  And I'd guess that you don't know much about him other than his stats and youtube dunk highlights. You also don't seem to be able to differentiate between the league leader in assists and a player who's team plays close to 4 on 5 on offense with him when you use "offensively limited", which is pretty unsurprising.

Right, because Drummond in only his second season averaged (13.5) almost identical to Rondo's career high (13.7).

By that "4 on 5" comment I can definitely tell you haven't seen Drummond play. The guy is is an inside player, who usually scores off of putbacks and rolls to the basket, and has to be covered all the time because he plays inside. Are you trying to insinuate that teams leave him alone under the basket? This you know, is part of the problem with Detroit. Monroe and Drummond both need to be inside. Drummond's presence has caused Monroe to change his game an be further out than he needs to be.

It's funny that you used that "4 on 5" because how many teams do exactly that on us when Rondo doesn't have the ball? I also noticed you edited my post and didn't want to discuss Rondo's other stellar contributions in the last minute of the Cavs game.

[Moranis]

Monroe is basically untradeable.  He has a no trade clause and you can't use Bird rights to re-sign him so you have to use cap room. 

[D.o.s.]

The end of the Cavaliers game was disappointing, but pinning it on Rondo's poor play is shortsighted. The same way pinning the end result of a team game on a single player is almost always shortsighted.

[CFAN38]

I dont think Rondo is getting moved this season, my gut feeling is that DA lets it ride and hopes for fireworks this offseason.


That being said,

My 3 team deal

Cs get Henson, Stauskas
Cs trade Rondo

Kings get Rondo
Kings trade Collison, Stauskas, Williams, loto protected 1st

Bucks get Collison, D Williams, kings 1st
Bucks trade Henson

Cs, Not the greatest of trades for the Cs but they get two high value young players. More trade involving Bass and or green would likely have to follow.

Kings, get Rondo creating a core of Rondo, Cousins and Gay

Bucks, get a starting PG and allow Knight to play his more natural role as a SG. The first takes some of the sting out of trading Henson but they haven't played him a lot so I question how much the franchise values him. This is not a great trade for the bucks but one that might help them start winning more games and building their young core. 

[slamtheking]

I dont think Rondo is getting moved this season, my gut feeling is that DA lets it ride and hopes for fireworks this offseason.


That being said,

My 3 team deal

Cs get Henson, Stauskas
Cs trade Rondo

Kings get Rondo
Kings trade Collison, Stauskas, Williams, loto protected 1st

Bucks get Collison, D Williams, kings 1st
Bucks trade Henson

Cs, Not the greatest of trades for the Cs but they get two high value young players. More trade involving Bass and or green would likely have to follow.

Kings, get Rondo creating a core of Rondo, Cousins and Gay

Bucks, get a starting PG and allow Knight to play his more natural role as a SG. The first takes some of the sting out of trading Henson but they haven't played him a lot so I question how much the franchise values him. This is not a great trade for the bucks but one that might help them start winning more games and building their young core. 

Rondo's going nowhere this season.  no reason to trade him.

having said that, Henson and Stauskas for Rondo is horrible.  just horrible.  we're loaded at SG already and Henson would have a Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. of a time getting minutes here as it is and that's with our current roster. 

Rondo should only be traded if we're getting a better player back.  period.  the likelihood someone better would be coming here in a trade is unlikely and if they were, the point of the trade would be to pair that player with Rondo. 

the fascination with trading our best player for crap to make this team worse astounds me

[BballTim]

To think you would rather have soon to be 29 year old Rondo over just turned 21 year old Drummond going forward is laughable. Drummond is one of the most unattainable players in the league for good reason. The guy averaged 13.5 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 1.6 BPG, and shot 62% from the field. Is he limited offensively and a liability at the FT line? Sure, but Rondo isn't? However, one player is a big (something we lack) and one player is a PG (a position we just drafted).

You probably haven't seen Drummond play that much, if at all, and bash him simply because many say they would trade Rondo for him.

  And I'd guess that you don't know much about him other than his stats and youtube dunk highlights. You also don't seem to be able to differentiate between the league leader in assists and a player who's team plays close to 4 on 5 on offense with him when you use "offensively limited", which is pretty unsurprising.

Right, because Drummond in only his second season averaged (13.5) almost identical to Rondo's career high (13.7).

By that "4 on 5" comment I can definitely tell you haven't seen Drummond play. The guy is is an inside player, who usually scores off of putbacks and rolls to the basket, and has to be covered all the time because he plays inside. Are you trying to insinuate that teams leave him alone under the basket? This you know, is part of the problem with Detroit. Monroe and Drummond both need to be inside. Drummond's presence has caused Monroe to change his game an be further out than he needs to be.

It's funny that you used that "4 on 5" because how many teams do exactly that on us when Rondo doesn't have the ball? I also noticed you edited my post and didn't want to discuss Rondo's other stellar contributions in the last minute of the Cavs game.

  I'll address the rest of this when I have more time, but I'd like to point out that someone who's one of the bigger proponents of floor spacing in the free world when it comes to criticizing Rondo is claiming that Drummond is making a contribution to the Detroit offense by insuring that the opposing team's rim protector doesn't have to stray from the rim. Hilarious.

[Eddie20]

To think you would rather have soon to be 29 year old Rondo over just turned 21 year old Drummond going forward is laughable. Drummond is one of the most unattainable players in the league for good reason. The guy averaged 13.5 PPG, 13.2 RPG, 1.6 BPG, and shot 62% from the field. Is he limited offensively and a liability at the FT line? Sure, but Rondo isn't? However, one player is a big (something we lack) and one player is a PG (a position we just drafted).

You probably haven't seen Drummond play that much, if at all, and bash him simply because many say they would trade Rondo for him.

  And I'd guess that you don't know much about him other than his stats and youtube dunk highlights. You also don't seem to be able to differentiate between the league leader in assists and a player who's team plays close to 4 on 5 on offense with him when you use "offensively limited", which is pretty unsurprising.

Right, because Drummond in only his second season averaged (13.5) almost identical to Rondo's career high (13.7).

By that "4 on 5" comment I can definitely tell you haven't seen Drummond play. The guy is is an inside player, who usually scores off of putbacks and rolls to the basket, and has to be covered all the time because he plays inside. Are you trying to insinuate that teams leave him alone under the basket? This you know, is part of the problem with Detroit. Monroe and Drummond both need to be inside. Drummond's presence has caused Monroe to change his game an be further out than he needs to be.

It's funny that you used that "4 on 5" because how many teams do exactly that on us when Rondo doesn't have the ball? I also noticed you edited my post and didn't want to discuss Rondo's other stellar contributions in the last minute of the Cavs game.

  I'll address the rest of this when I have more time, but I'd like to point out that someone who's one of the bigger proponents of floor spacing in the free world when it comes to criticizing Rondo is claiming that Drummond is making a contribution to the Detroit offense by insuring that the opposing team's rim protector doesn't have to stray from the rim. Hilarious.

Surely you must see the difference between a big man not having a perimeter game vs a guard not having one. Tim, you'll stand at nothing to back up your hero.

[tstorey_97]

Ainge has one top asset - Rondo + a batch of lesser assets - players who aren't all stars. Say what you will...they aren't.

Ainge has needs....they are:

A front court would be nice..."the big."
An all star level "scorer."

Ainge is an Auerbach disciple.

Red-
Russell
Cowens
Parish

Ainge-
Kevin Garnett

Now the above four bigs got the job done. Why mess with a proven formula?

If Ainge can't get "the big" or the chip(s) to get the big why let his only all star go?
Ainge has Bird rights on Rondo, Rondo wants to get paid, Ainge is the ONLY guy that can pay Rondo the crazy max. Write him a check....then?

Trade Rondo for "the big." Until this big hits the trade block? (which maybe never) Keep Rondo. Why is this so complicated?

Ainge traded Jefferson (horse) and a bus load of "ponies" for Garnett (horse). Isn't that the plan?
 
Ok, let's do a trade where we trade our horse for another horse....who freaking cares how many ponies you throw in.

Here is a trade scenario that will NEVER happen, but, it in some way illustrates the point. I am not posting the trade for evaluation as it won't happen so don't bother with the shoot downs I already did.

Rondo to Orlando for Vucevik.

In the identical situation does Auerbach make the trade? Shouldn't I be asking if "Ainge would make the trade?"

No....the first thing Ainge will say to himself will be quite sensible..."would Red make this trade?"
Red Auerbach would probably make the trade as he VALUES "defensive bigs with offense" more than guards...fact of life.

Needless to say, Orlando does NOT make the trade....perhaps they need a PG, but, PG's can be had Vuceviks can't.

How does Ainge get the "big"? Pretty much do what he is doing now, which is don't trade your only horse...unless another horse is offered in return.