Can we talk about Olynyk? Is he an elite shooter? Can he be a go-to scorer?

[footey]

He can't be a crunch time player because he can't create off the dribble.  He can do anything else....except bang with big bodies.

Is that what you said about Larry Bird?

[footey]

Is it safe to say that Kelly is a poor mans Pau Gasol with not to much defense?

His skill set for a big man is great, he can shoot and extend the defense and he's got good feel for the game. Defense still needs work of course, but offensively, he can contribute in so many ways.

I don't mind having a poor man's Pau.

This comparison makes no sense.  Their games are nothing alike.

[rondohondo]

Is it safe to say that Kelly is a poor mans Pau Gasol with not to much defense?

His skill set for a big man is great, he can shoot and extend the defense and he's got good feel for the game. Defense still needs work of course, but offensively, he can contribute in so many ways.

I don't mind having a poor man's Pau.

This comparison makes no sense.  Their games are nothing alike.

rich man's Boris Diaw?

[fairweatherfan]

Is it safe to say that Kelly is a poor mans Pau Gasol with not to much defense?

His skill set for a big man is great, he can shoot and extend the defense and he's got good feel for the game. Defense still needs work of course, but offensively, he can contribute in so many ways.

I don't mind having a poor man's Pau.

This comparison makes no sense.  Their games are nothing alike.

rich man's Boris Diaw?

It's a cliche but poor man's Dirk is still looking like a pretty good fit. 

[Fan from VT]

Is it safe to say that Kelly is a poor mans Pau Gasol with not to much defense?

His skill set for a big man is great, he can shoot and extend the defense and he's got good feel for the game. Defense still needs work of course, but offensively, he can contribute in so many ways.

I don't mind having a poor man's Pau.

This comparison makes no sense.  Their games are nothing alike.

rich man's Boris Diaw?

He's very different than Diaw. And Diaw is and was quite a good player, so a "rich man's" version of him is an all-star/superstar.

[Boris Badenov]

Is it safe to say that Kelly is a poor mans Pau Gasol with not to much defense?

His skill set for a big man is great, he can shoot and extend the defense and he's got good feel for the game. Defense still needs work of course, but offensively, he can contribute in so many ways.

I don't mind having a poor man's Pau.

This comparison makes no sense.  Their games are nothing alike.

rich man's Boris Diaw?

I think the Diaw comparison is pretty good (skilled big man, efficient scorer, limited defender) and I see KO having a similar career - not a star but a guy who can be extremely valuable when used properly.

This made me think...how good would KO be on the Spurs? He is tailor-made for that offensive system.

[Fan from VT]

He could be a slightly bigger ryan anderson

[Who]

Reminds me of Alvan Adams. Different type of bodies but similar type of high post big men with their shooting and passing ability. I think if the Celtics ran their offense through Olynyk in high post like Phoenix did with Adams in late 70s early 80s, they'd get similar results.

[gpap]

No and no.

Olynyk is a good role player.

Do you mean off the bench?  What is a "role player"?  All players have a "role" on the team.  I know Danny has used this term too, but not sure what it really means.  That he is not going to be leading scorer on the team?  Well, I think we are seeing a guy who has the ability.  Not sure if he has the personality though, like Bird, for example, who from day one, you knew he was going to be the team leader.

Exactly. In my mind, Olynyk's ceiling is a useful 6th man who can give you some offense and decent rebounding.

IMO, he's not an elite shooter or go-to player.

On what do you base that assessment?

On what I've seen from him so far.

Decent scorer who can rebound, but is not aggressive enough and doesn't have the instincts YET (doesn't mean he never will) to be a starter.

Also, his defense kinda sucks.

So hence, I see his ceiling as a 6th man.

Certainly, he could end up becoming ALOT better and proving me wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

But on a championship contending team, at this juncture, I don't see him as a starter.

[gpap]

He could be a slightly bigger ryan anderson

Yes, Ryan Anderson is actually a pretty good comparison.

Or perhaps a David Lee.

You know what.

On second thought, IF we had an actual center, maybe KO would be a pretty good starting power forward after all.

I'd like to see him become more aggressive however.

[Celtics18]

No and no.

Olynyk is a good role player.

Do you mean off the bench?  What is a "role player"?  All players have a "role" on the team.  I know Danny has used this term too, but not sure what it really means.  That he is not going to be leading scorer on the team?  Well, I think we are seeing a guy who has the ability.  Not sure if he has the personality though, like Bird, for example, who from day one, you knew he was going to be the team leader.

Exactly. In my mind, Olynyk's ceiling is a useful 6th man who can give you some offense and decent rebounding.

IMO, he's not an elite shooter or go-to player.

On what do you base that assessment?

On what I've seen from him so far.

Decent scorer who can rebound, but is not aggressive enough and doesn't have the instincts YET (doesn't mean he never will) to be a starter.

Also, his defense kinda sucks.

So hence, I see his ceiling as a 6th man.

Certainly, he could end up becoming ALOT better and proving me wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

But on a championship contending team, at this juncture, I don't see him as a starter.

When you say that he "could end up becoming ALOT better," it seems to me that you have a different understanding of the term "ceiling" than most people.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Is it safe to say that Kelly is a poor mans Pau Gasol with not to much defense?

His skill set for a big man is great, he can shoot and extend the defense and he's got good feel for the game. Defense still needs work of course, but offensively, he can contribute in so many ways.

I don't mind having a poor man's Pau.

This comparison makes no sense.  Their games are nothing alike.

Offensive skills, post game (although KO isnts as elite as Pau's), shooting and great passing abilities for a big?

What do you mean not alike. Pau is just more polished, but they have close to similar skill set offensively.

[BballTim]

No and no.

Olynyk is a good role player.

Do you mean off the bench?  What is a "role player"?  All players have a "role" on the team.  I know Danny has used this term too, but not sure what it really means.  That he is not going to be leading scorer on the team?  Well, I think we are seeing a guy who has the ability.  Not sure if he has the personality though, like Bird, for example, who from day one, you knew he was going to be the team leader.

Exactly. In my mind, Olynyk's ceiling is a useful 6th man who can give you some offense and decent rebounding.

IMO, he's not an elite shooter or go-to player.

On what do you base that assessment?

On what I've seen from him so far.

Decent scorer who can rebound, but is not aggressive enough and doesn't have the instincts YET (doesn't mean he never will) to be a starter.

Also, his defense kinda sucks.

So hence, I see his ceiling as a 6th man.

Certainly, he could end up becoming ALOT better and proving me wrong. Wouldn't be the first time.

But on a championship contending team, at this juncture, I don't see him as a starter.

  If you're acknowledging that he may end up being much better than you expect you're refuting your own claim. Ceiling is the best a player can be if they improve as much as can reasonably be expected, so his ceiling would be A LOT better than you're pegging him at.

[LooseCannon]

An efficient Bargnani who can actually rebound?  And pass?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

An efficient Bargnani who can actually rebound?

Bargs doesnt have his passing abilities though.