Danny is lost

[timobusa]

Looking at it the wrong way.  This team was garbage for two decades.

Danny went all-in on some mid-30s stars who were just past their prime.  We had a 3 year window of contention that resulted in a championship and a finals appearance.  We then took an extended victory lap for a couple years.  Now we're in the inevitable aftermath. 

I spent the vast majority of my Celtic fandom following pretty bad teams.  We've arguably been a contender for 3 of the past 26 years... I'm not sure why some folks think we can just flip a switch and return to instant-contention again.  It's going to take 3-5 years minimum for this team to be relevant again.  It might take a lot longer than that.   

If you're expecting Boston to be a contender in the immediate future, you're setting yourself up for disappointment.  This is going to take time.  Ainge provided he could do it in 5 years the first time around... if we're lucky, we'll be a contender again sometime around 2018.

I agree.

[DarkAzcura]

This post reminds me of 2006 so much. Your thought process is far too black and white.

[gar]

Other than the all in moves to get Allen and Garnett, Danny has had a pretty steady hand (other than the Fab Melo and Gab Pruitt busts). Most of the moves make sense at some level. At least you can see the logic. If you are looking for something more radical that is not Danny. The move to get Garnet and Allen was ballsy; but it also made ultimate sense.

No need to cut loose anyone prematurely. No need to panic when you have a pocket full of future firsts. PG and Center are two of the positions that take the longest two learn in the NBA. Keeping Rondo makes sense until he can prove he is 100% (he was only 60-70% last season and so you would be getting limited value back).

Only puzzle is where we get a center (Kendrick Perkins anyone?)

[Who]

Ainge isn't lost.

Ainge is just choosing a different way to rebuild team. Doesn't want to bottom out and isn't going all in on winning now. Wants to stay competitive and build assets. Then use those assets and cap flexibility to acquire star talent. Similar to last time around when Ainge got Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Or how Morey got James Harden and Dwight Howard to Houston. This unfortunately means that team goes for assets over fit and roster balance so things get messy now and then (ie center-less team).

Gerald Wallace has negative trade value. Only way Ainge can trade G-Wallace is to give up draft picks to some team to get rid of Wallace. Right now, those picks are more valuable than the cap space so Wallace stays (for now). Humphries was extremely difficult to trade because he is a role player who was paid $11 million. Matching salaries in a deal for Humphries was always extremely difficult and highly unlikely because of this. Still time to use Bogans in a trade.

Disappointed Ainge didn't go out and get Asik. Sick of watching the Celtics get beaten up in the paint and unable to protect their own basket. It doesn't look like Ainge has any good (or even passable) option as alternative to Asik at center next season. Also, I think being more competitive next season would give Boston a big boost heading into free agency next summer. Another 25-30 win season and top free agents are going to question how ready this team is to win. So disappointed to miss out on Asik.

I don't give a crap about SL squad.

[bhbf08]

This post has me lost.  I guess you and Danny are alike. 

[wayupnorth]

Reasons

- hires a coach with zero nba coaching experience. This to me is a signal for a full rebuild
- but he doesnt do that. Keeps Rondo, Bass, Green. If we trade all of these guys we def get a top 3 or 4 pick
-  cant find a way to trade wallace, humphries, bogans
- lets everyone know that Rondo is here to stay for the long run
- then drafts Smart (and Young)  instead of addressing some serious needs upfront (like having one flat tire)
- doesnt pickup Asik, Afflalo, Louis Williams, Lucas Nogueira (all that would of cost a fair price to obtain)
- cant bring in any top undrafted players to the SL squad.

- the 76ers at least are going about their rebuild in a "pure" fashion.

Does Danny even have a plan?? I find him always wanting to chase the ideals, pack on the assets(usually crowded at the same area) but lacks vision. Maybe mcdanough was the real brains when he was still here.
I can handle and be patient during a rebuild. But cant tolerate mess.

Anyone else frustrated?

Does it ever end with you?

[Tr1boy]

Ainge isn't lost.

Ainge is just choosing a different way to rebuild team. Doesn't want to bottom out and isn't going all in on winning now. Wants to stay competitive and build assets. Then use those assets and cap flexibility to acquire star talent. Similar to last time around when Ainge got Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Or how Morey got James Harden and Dwight Howard to Houston. This unfortunately means that team goes for assets over fit and roster balance so things get messy now and then (ie center-less team).

Gerald Wallace has negative trade value. Only way Ainge can trade G-Wallace is to give up draft picks to some team to get rid of Wallace. Right now, those picks are more valuable than the cap space so Wallace stays (for now). Humphries was extremely difficult to trade because he is a role player who was paid $11 million. Matching salaries in a deal for Humphries was always extremely difficult and highly unlikely because of this. Still time to use Bogans in a trade.

Disappointed Ainge didn't go out and get Asik. Sick of watching the Celtics get beaten up in the paint and unable to protect their own basket. It doesn't look like Ainge has any good (or even passable) option as alternative to Asik at center next season. Also, I think being more competitive next season would give Boston a big boost heading into free agency next summer. Another 25-30 win season and top free agents are going to question how ready this team is to win. So disappointed to miss out on Asik.

I don't give a crap about SL squad.

Ainge is too slow.   He wants a team full of instigators yet he is just a retaliator himself.

He kept Pierce and KG a year too long and he is going to do the same thing with Rondo. Prob sign him to the max and screw the team over.

I think Ainge is an ok GM but not a top 10 in the league.  I wish we still had Mcdonough now that we know what he is capable of. 

[wayupnorth]

Ainge isn't lost.

Ainge is just choosing a different way to rebuild team. Doesn't want to bottom out and isn't going all in on winning now. Wants to stay competitive and build assets. Then use those assets and cap flexibility to acquire star talent. Similar to last time around when Ainge got Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett. Or how Morey got James Harden and Dwight Howard to Houston. This unfortunately means that team goes for assets over fit and roster balance so things get messy now and then (ie center-less team).

Gerald Wallace has negative trade value. Only way Ainge can trade G-Wallace is to give up draft picks to some team to get rid of Wallace. Right now, those picks are more valuable than the cap space so Wallace stays (for now). Humphries was extremely difficult to trade because he is a role player who was paid $11 million. Matching salaries in a deal for Humphries was always extremely difficult and highly unlikely because of this. Still time to use Bogans in a trade.

Disappointed Ainge didn't go out and get Asik. Sick of watching the Celtics get beaten up in the paint and unable to protect their own basket. It doesn't look like Ainge has any good (or even passable) option as alternative to Asik at center next season. Also, I think being more competitive next season would give Boston a big boost heading into free agency next summer. Another 25-30 win season and top free agents are going to question how ready this team is to win. So disappointed to miss out on Asik.

I don't give a crap about SL squad.

Ainge is too slow.   He wants a team full of instigators yet he is just a retaliator himself.

He kept Pierce and KG a year too long and he is going to do the same thing with Rondo. Prob sign him to the max and screw the team over.

I think Ainge is an ok GM but not a top 10 in the league.  I wish we still had Mcdonough now that we know what he is capable of.

 

[Tr1boy]

Reasons

- hires a coach with zero nba coaching experience. This to me is a signal for a full rebuild
- but he doesnt do that. Keeps Rondo, Bass, Green. If we trade all of these guys we def get a top 3 or 4 pick
-  cant find a way to trade wallace, humphries, bogans
- lets everyone know that Rondo is here to stay for the long run
- then drafts Smart (and Young)  instead of addressing some serious needs upfront (like having one flat tire)
- doesnt pickup Asik, Afflalo, Louis Williams, Lucas Nogueira (all that would of cost a fair price to obtain)
- cant bring in any top undrafted players to the SL squad.

- the 76ers at least are going about their rebuild in a "pure" fashion.

Does Danny even have a plan?? I find him always wanting to chase the ideals, pack on the assets(usually crowded at the same area) but lacks vision. Maybe mcdanough was the real brains when he was still here.
I can handle and be patient during a rebuild. But cant tolerate mess.

Anyone else frustrated?

Does it ever end with you?

Who the heck are you??  if your not going to post anything intelligent , why are you posting short crappy responses

[RJ87]

Reasons

- hires a coach with zero nba coaching experience. This to me is a signal for a full rebuild
- but he doesnt do that. Keeps Rondo, Bass, Green. If we trade all of these guys we def get a top 3 or 4 pick
-  cant find a way to trade wallace, humphries, bogans
- lets everyone know that Rondo is here to stay for the long run
- then drafts Smart (and Young)  instead of addressing some serious needs upfront (like having one flat tire)
- doesnt pickup Asik, Afflalo, Louis Williams, Lucas Nogueira (all that would of cost a fair price to obtain)
- cant bring in any top undrafted players to the SL squad.

- the 76ers at least are going about their rebuild in a "pure" fashion.

Does Danny even have a plan?? I find him always wanting to chase the ideals, pack on the assets(usually crowded at the same area) but lacks vision. Maybe mcdanough was the real brains when he was still here.
I can handle and be patient during a rebuild. But cant tolerate mess.

Anyone else frustrated?

Does it ever end with you?

Who the heck are you??  if your not going to post anything intelligent , why are you posting short crappy responses

Longer posts doesn't make them any more intelligent.

[Tr1boy]

I think Danny doesn't know what he is doing.  He lacks a concrete plan or backup plan etc. imo.
If you think he is doing a fine job , then that's fine.  I would like to hear more about it . I might disagree but i'm not going to make childish nonsense remarks about it.  This is a forum after all

[Waew]

how can you fault danny for "not drafting need"

he drafted the best player available at both slots. marcus smart was better than randle.

[Boris Badenov]

Reasons

- hires a coach with zero nba coaching experience. This to me is a signal for a full rebuild
- but he doesnt do that. Keeps Rondo, Bass, Green. If we trade all of these guys we def get a top 3 or 4 pick
-  cant find a way to trade wallace, humphries, bogans
- lets everyone know that Rondo is here to stay for the long run
- then drafts Smart (and Young)  instead of addressing some serious needs upfront (like having one flat tire)
- doesnt pickup Asik, Afflalo, Louis Williams, Lucas Nogueira (all that would of cost a fair price to obtain)
- cant bring in any top undrafted players to the SL squad.

- the 76ers at least are going about their rebuild in a "pure" fashion.

Does Danny even have a plan?? I find him always wanting to chase the ideals, pack on the assets(usually crowded at the same area) but lacks vision. Maybe mcdanough was the real brains when he was still here.
I can handle and be patient during a rebuild. But cant tolerate mess.

Anyone else frustrated?

I'm frustrated by how much you contradict yourself, and by the fact that you blindly assert things without any supporting evidence.

[Tr1boy]

Reasons

- hires a coach with zero nba coaching experience. This to me is a signal for a full rebuild
- but he doesnt do that. Keeps Rondo, Bass, Green. If we trade all of these guys we def get a top 3 or 4 pick
-  cant find a way to trade wallace, humphries, bogans
- lets everyone know that Rondo is here to stay for the long run
- then drafts Smart (and Young)  instead of addressing some serious needs upfront (like having one flat tire)
- doesnt pickup Asik, Afflalo, Louis Williams, Lucas Nogueira (all that would of cost a fair price to obtain)
- cant bring in any top undrafted players to the SL squad.

- the 76ers at least are going about their rebuild in a "pure" fashion.

Does Danny even have a plan?? I find him always wanting to chase the ideals, pack on the assets(usually crowded at the same area) but lacks vision. Maybe mcdanough was the real brains when he was still here.
I can handle and be patient during a rebuild. But cant tolerate mess.

Anyone else frustrated?

I'm frustrated by how much you contradict yourself, and by the fact that you blindly assert things without any supporting evidence.

What are you talking about? I already stated with one of my points above we lost out on Asik, Afflalo when we could of had them without overpaying.   

Do you want numerical data evidence or something

[timobusa]

Reasons

- hires a coach with zero nba coaching experience. This to me is a signal for a full rebuild
- but he doesnt do that. Keeps Rondo, Bass, Green. If we trade all of these guys we def get a top 3 or 4 pick
-  cant find a way to trade wallace, humphries, bogans
- lets everyone know that Rondo is here to stay for the long run
- then drafts Smart (and Young)  instead of addressing some serious needs upfront (like having one flat tire)
- doesnt pickup Asik, Afflalo, Louis Williams, Lucas Nogueira (all that would of cost a fair price to obtain)
- cant bring in any top undrafted players to the SL squad.

- the 76ers at least are going about their rebuild in a "pure" fashion.

Does Danny even have a plan?? I find him always wanting to chase the ideals, pack on the assets(usually crowded at the same area) but lacks vision. Maybe mcdanough was the real brains when he was still here.
I can handle and be patient during a rebuild. But cant tolerate mess.

Anyone else frustrated?

Does it ever end with you?

Who the heck are you??  if your not going to post anything intelligent , why are you posting short crappy responses

Longer posts doesn't make them any more intelligent.

HAHAHAHA you hit the nail on the head! TP FOR YOU!