Rumor: Rondo wants max extension

[Tr1boy]

Rondo had a chance at max (2 year extension offer). He wont get the 5 year one unless he can produce/perform like he did in 2009-2011.

[D.o.s.]

Sure -- now comes the waiting, as we wait to see if his play over those years was a measurement of a peak, or of a step to something greater.

  True, but that was Rondo from age 22-25. If you look at the playoff primes of most of the better pgs historically they usually start a in the 25-28 range.

Also true. Hopefully we make it back into the playoffs sooner, rather than later. Otherwise we'll never solve this.

[LB3533]

You could, if you wanted, go through and exhaustively look at the last three or so playoff runs from the C's 2010-2012 (around the time Rondo came into his own as a star in his own right), and eliminate the generalities from your point. I don't blame you for not doing so, because it's an effort, though.


You could also go through the last regular seasons from the same time and find out which teams the C's played over that span that were playoff teams, and see how Rondo did against Playoff Caliber opponents -- from both Conferences, no less, which would give you a better idea of how Rondo fares against the best talent in the NBA, rather than the Best in the East (bolstered by some Leastern Conference bottom of the bracket squads that we played when the team was winning games, no less).

If anyone wants to do that, you can find all the pertinent data here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/

D.o.s - I really appreciate your input in this topic discussion.

I may very well be interested in checking those games and see how productive Rondo has been against all WC elite teams.

But what I will do is stress the emphasis that I feel the best course of action for our franchise's rebuilding process is to keep our top level talent and not lose them.

We should be adding more talent to our current pool, not losing our current pool of talent.

We should also be developing our young pool.

To better develop the youngsters, I feel that Rondo's presence will benefit the process greatly.

I feel that with more games, Stevens will learn more about Rondo and vice versa. Brad Steven's experiences with Rondo is of a Rondo still recovering from past injuries. It is not experiences of a "recovered Rondo".

I feel if our youngsters learn from Rondo, through practices or even watching film of Rondo or watching from the bench......all will enhance the youngsters' development.

It's easy to learn and gain experience from "on the job" type scenarios.

It's a LUXURY to learn and gain experience from a top tier talented teammate.

Would "trigger happy" Allen Iverson been a different player had he started and played his entire career with a Jason Kidd (no offense Eric Snow, you are welcome to my team any time).

What about AI with a Terrell Brandon or a Mike Bibby?

Had he started his career learning from and playing with top tier talent, I feel Iverson would have developed into a more efficient scoring guard who was still capable of making plays to setup his other teammates.

Just look at AI on Denver and just by giving AI a top tier talented scorer, AI was able to sustain his high level production, but he was able to improve his efficiency, across the board, greatly. All his FG%/TS%/eFG% they all went up while AI was Nugget.

Imagine AI starting his career with a RR.

I'm not saying we have anyone as close to an AI on our squad, but I am saying we do have a top tier level PG and we shouldn't let him go play somewhere else. Offer RR the max. Our future youngsters will thank you and pay you back later. (Hopefully with another banner.)

[More Banners]

This is the "prove it" year, and he'll have a "prove it" roster to work with, especially if we keep Bass the Finisher.

If Rondo is a max guy (I'm willing to be convinced he is), he should be able to get Bradley, Green, Bass, and Zeller to the playoffs in the East, especially with Smart, ETurner, Sully, and KO in the rotation as well.

[Future Celtics Owner]

This is the "prove it" year, and he'll have a "prove it" roster to work with, especially if we keep Bass the Finisher.

If Rondo is a max guy (I'm willing to be convinced he is), he should be able to get Bradley, Green, Bass, and Zeller to the playoffs in the East, especially with Smart, ETurner, Sully, and KO in the rotation as well.

This is a "prove it" year for Rondo. But to put the expectations of making the playoffs on his shoulders is both unrealistic and unfair.

[More Banners]

This is the "prove it" year, and he'll have a "prove it" roster to work with, especially if we keep Bass the Finisher.

If Rondo is a max guy (I'm willing to be convinced he is), he should be able to get Bradley, Green, Bass, and Zeller to the playoffs in the East, especially with Smart, ETurner, Sully, and KO in the rotation as well.

This is a "prove it" year for Rondo. But to put the expectations of making the playoffs on his shoulders is both unrealistic and unfair.

I'd say he should put them in the mix, at least, if he's the guy as advertized.

Bradley, Green, and Bass would have to be the guys they're supposed to be as well, of course.

Yet if Rondo, Bradley and Green each get their expected 15-17ppg reasonably efficiently, and their defense is as expected as well, we should give teams hell on the perimeter.

And we have this Sully/Olynyk thing to work on some more this year as well...

[Celtics4ever]

Bradley, Green, and Bass would have to be the guys they're supposed to be as well, of course.

Yet they are not max guys.

[BballTim]

Rondo had a chance at max (2 year extension offer). He wont get the 5 year one unless he can produce/perform like he did in 2009-2011.

  The extension wasn't a "max" offer. And FWIW Rondo was better in 2012 than 2009-2011.

[Moranis]

This is the "prove it" year, and he'll have a "prove it" roster to work with, especially if we keep Bass the Finisher.

If Rondo is a max guy (I'm willing to be convinced he is), he should be able to get Bradley, Green, Bass, and Zeller to the playoffs in the East, especially with Smart, ETurner, Sully, and KO in the rotation as well.

This is a "prove it" year for Rondo. But to put the expectations of making the playoffs on his shoulders is both unrealistic and unfair.

I'd say he should put them in the mix, at least, if he's the guy as advertized.

Bradley, Green, and Bass would have to be the guys they're supposed to be as well, of course.

Yet if Rondo, Bradley and Green each get their expected 15-17ppg reasonably efficiently, and their defense is as expected as well, we should give teams hell on the perimeter.

And we have this Sully/Olynyk thing to work on some more this year as well...

you expect Rondo to score 15-17 ppg.  really?

[Csfan1984]

I think Rondo is deserving of the max based on past discount and still high level of play but he isn't a max type player for this team. I know that is strange but get the notion others think similar. Too bad he can't take like 14 average.

[D.o.s.]

You could, if you wanted, go through and exhaustively look at the last three or so playoff runs from the C's 2010-2012 (around the time Rondo came into his own as a star in his own right), and eliminate the generalities from your point. I don't blame you for not doing so, because it's an effort, though.


You could also go through the last regular seasons from the same time and find out which teams the C's played over that span that were playoff teams, and see how Rondo did against Playoff Caliber opponents -- from both Conferences, no less, which would give you a better idea of how Rondo fares against the best talent in the NBA, rather than the Best in the East (bolstered by some Leastern Conference bottom of the bracket squads that we played when the team was winning games, no less).

If anyone wants to do that, you can find all the pertinent data here:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/BOS/

D.o.s - I really appreciate your input in this topic discussion.

I may very well be interested in checking those games and see how productive Rondo has been against all WC elite teams.

But what I will do is stress the emphasis that I feel the best course of action for our franchise's rebuilding process is to keep our top level talent and not lose them.

We should be adding more talent to our current pool, not losing our current pool of talent.

We should also be developing our young pool.

To better develop the youngsters, I feel that Rondo's presence will benefit the process greatly.

I feel that with more games, Stevens will learn more about Rondo and vice versa. Brad Steven's experiences with Rondo is of a Rondo still recovering from past injuries. It is not experiences of a "recovered Rondo".

I feel if our youngsters learn from Rondo, through practices or even watching film of Rondo or watching from the bench......all will enhance the youngsters' development.

It's easy to learn and gain experience from "on the job" type scenarios.

It's a LUXURY to learn and gain experience from a top tier talented teammate.

Would "trigger happy" Allen Iverson been a different player had he started and played his entire career with a Jason Kidd (no offense Eric Snow, you are welcome to my team any time).

What about AI with a Terrell Brandon or a Mike Bibby?

Had he started his career learning from and playing with top tier talent, I feel Iverson would have developed into a more efficient scoring guard who was still capable of making plays to setup his other teammates.

Just look at AI on Denver and just by giving AI a top tier talented scorer, AI was able to sustain his high level production, but he was able to improve his efficiency, across the board, greatly. All his FG%/TS%/eFG% they all went up while AI was Nugget.

Imagine AI starting his career with a RR.

I'm not saying we have anyone as close to an AI on our squad, but I am saying we do have a top tier level PG and we shouldn't let him go play somewhere else. Offer RR the max. Our future youngsters will thank you and pay you back later. (Hopefully with another banner.)

I don't think we offer Rondo a contract that's quite at the max, but I'm also a fan of keeping him the Celtics -- and if it means giving him a substantial raise to do so, I'm ok with that.

[mgent]

This is the "prove it" year, and he'll have a "prove it" roster to work with, especially if we keep Bass the Finisher.

If Rondo is a max guy (I'm willing to be convinced he is), he should be able to get Bradley, Green, Bass, and Zeller to the playoffs in the East, especially with Smart, ETurner, Sully, and KO in the rotation as well.

This is a "prove it" year for Rondo. But to put the expectations of making the playoffs on his shoulders is both unrealistic and unfair.

I'd say he should put them in the mix, at least, if he's the guy as advertized.

Bradley, Green, and Bass would have to be the guys they're supposed to be as well, of course.

Yet if Rondo, Bradley and Green each get their expected 15-17ppg reasonably efficiently, and their defense is as expected as well, we should give teams hell on the perimeter.

And we have this Sully/Olynyk thing to work on some more this year as well...

you expect Rondo to score 15-17 ppg.  really?

You really don't think he's capable?

It's more of a question of how willing he is to take on the scoring load and look for his own offense vs. looking to create offense for everybody else.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo had a chance at max (2 year extension offer). He wont get the 5 year one unless he can produce/perform like he did in 2009-2011.

  The extension wasn't a "max" offer. And FWIW Rondo was better in 2012 than 2009-2011.

2011-2012 or 2012-2013?

Bc 2012-2013 he was bad

[BballTim]

Rondo had a chance at max (2 year extension offer). He wont get the 5 year one unless he can produce/perform like he did in 2009-2011.

  The extension wasn't a "max" offer. And FWIW Rondo was better in 2012 than 2009-2011.

2011-2012 or 2012-2013?

Bc 2012-2013 he was bad

   His teammates in 2012-2013 were pretty bad. Rondo wasn't really that bad.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo had a chance at max (2 year extension offer). He wont get the 5 year one unless he can produce/perform like he did in 2009-2011.

  The extension wasn't a "max" offer. And FWIW Rondo was better in 2012 than 2009-2011.

2011-2012 or 2012-2013?

Bc 2012-2013 he was bad

   His teammates in 2012-2013 were pretty bad. Rondo wasn't really that bad.

Tim this again?

Rondo out for season due to injuries = team played over 500 ball and made the playoffs