Chad Ford: Embiid will fall out of top 5 going to Celtics

[NorthernLightning]

Celtics will and should pass on embiid.

I rather take my chances on randle

Randle had a broken foot in high school and is heading for foot surgery as well...Embiid is a much better prospect...

Randle is undersized and has t-rex arms, do. not. want

What are you talking about. Did you even watch the combine? He has a 7' wingspan and 8'9.5'' standing reach.....also he just recorded a 38 max vertical.

no and fine he has normal arms hes still an undersized pf and drafting a pf three years in a row would give me a migraine

He's 250 pounds and growing. So you're wrong about him having TRex arms, and you're wrong about him being undersized.

[Smokeeye123]

Celtics will and should pass on embiid.

I rather take my chances on randle

Randle had a broken foot in high school and is heading for foot surgery as well...Embiid is a much better prospect...

Randle is undersized and has t-rex arms, do. not. want

What are you talking about. Did you even watch the combine? He has a 7' wingspan and 8'9.5'' standing reach.....also he just recorded a 38 max vertical.

no and fine he has normal arms hes still an undersized pf and drafting a pf three years in a row would give me a migraine

He's 250 pounds and growing. So you're wrong about him having TRex arms, and you're wrong about him being undersized.

6'9 is undersized, do. not. want. Vonleh is better, we drafted PF the last two years. What is Randle's potential? David Lee? No thanks. Go Embiid/Smart/Exum or go home.

[loco_91]

We just don't have the info in this situation to make an informed call. I love Embiid and would've picked him #1 before this injury in a heartbeat, but if the doctors say no, the doctors say no. The biggest risk factor for stress fractures is prior stress fractures, and he had two in like 600 minutes of NCAA play.

If he is 40% healthy, 20% injury-nagged and 40% Oden, you take him. But what if the docs assessment is 20% healthy and 70% Oden... I think you have to take Smart or Gordon. For example Gordon's 20% best outcome is that he develops into an average shooting wing, in which case he is all star material.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Celtics will and should pass on embiid.

I rather take my chances on randle

Randle had a broken foot in high school and is heading for foot surgery as well...Embiid is a much better prospect...

Randle is undersized and has t-rex arms, do. not. want

What are you talking about. Did you even watch the combine? He has a 7' wingspan and 8'9.5'' standing reach.....also he just recorded a 38 max vertical.

no and fine he has normal arms hes still an undersized pf and drafting a pf three years in a row would give me a migraine

He's 250 pounds and growing. So you're wrong about him having TRex arms, and you're wrong about him being undersized.

An average standing reach seems to be about 8'11 to 9' for 6'9 guys. Seems to really be more in the 6'7 to 6'8 range of heights with his standing reach.

http://search.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=averages&year=All

Again. Broad shoulders. His wingspan is huge but his arms are short.

That said, measurements are measurements. Anthony Randolph is a specimen but he's terrible.

[Beat LA]

I really hope we take Embiid. I just can't imagine passing on him and letting the Lakers begin their next dynasty. It's just too much of a risk not to take him.

You can't?  I can see it happening, unfortunately.  All of this, "he won't be taken by Orlando or Utah," talk means, to me, anyway, that Embiid will be taken by the 76ers, at the minimum.  He won't be available, one way or the other, and even if he is, Ainge won't take him, or, Danny will take him and trade him 5 minutes later for someone we've never heard of who won't last a year in the NBA.  This is a big draft for Ainge, imo, and I honestly don't trust his ability to accurately evaluate talent.  We're probably going to take some moron like Gordon, who can't even make free throws.  I just want all of this to be over.  If he's there at 6, take him, and then get the 7th pick from the Lakers for the tpe or something and take Randle or Smart, depending on who's still on the board.  None of this will happen, of course, but it's nice to dream about until everything comes crashing down tomorrow night   Sigh.

[hwangjini_1]

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[MBunge]

This is a big draft for Ainge, imo, and I honestly don't trust his ability to accurately evaluate talent.

Ainge hasn't been perfect but he's pretty clearly had an above average record as a drafter.  He's not up there with the San Antonio guys but anyone who comes up with Rondo, Tony Allen, Perk and Al Jefferson without using a lottery pick is doing something right.

Mike

[D.o.s.]

This is a big draft for Ainge, imo, and I honestly don't trust his ability to accurately evaluate talent.

Ainge hasn't been perfect but he's pretty clearly had an above average record as a drafter.  He's not up there with the San Antonio guys but anyone who comes up with Rondo, Tony Allen, Perk and Al Jefferson without using a lottery pick is doing something right.

Mike

While the ghosts of Fab, JR, and JJJ wait in the wings.

[Rondo9]

This is a big draft for Ainge, imo, and I honestly don't trust his ability to accurately evaluate talent.

Ainge hasn't been perfect but he's pretty clearly had an above average record as a drafter.  He's not up there with the San Antonio guys but anyone who comes up with Rondo, Tony Allen, Perk and Al Jefferson without using a lottery pick is doing something right.

Mike

While the ghosts of Fab, JR, and JJJ wait in the wings.

Nightmare picks they were......

[LooseCannon]

This is a big draft for Ainge, imo, and I honestly don't trust his ability to accurately evaluate talent.

Ainge hasn't been perfect but he's pretty clearly had an above average record as a drafter.  He's not up there with the San Antonio guys but anyone who comes up with Rondo, Tony Allen, Perk and Al Jefferson without using a lottery pick is doing something right.

Mike

While the ghosts of Fab, JR, and JJJ wait in the wings.

Guys drafted for position.

Which means Ainge will probably end up with the best player available at both spots if he is willing to draft two undersized PFs.

[MBunge]

This is a big draft for Ainge, imo, and I honestly don't trust his ability to accurately evaluate talent.

Ainge hasn't been perfect but he's pretty clearly had an above average record as a drafter.  He's not up there with the San Antonio guys but anyone who comes up with Rondo, Tony Allen, Perk and Al Jefferson without using a lottery pick is doing something right.

Mike

While the ghosts of Fab, JR, and JJJ wait in the wings.

In 2005, the Spurs picked Ian Mahinmi over David Lee, Brandon Bass, Amir Johnson, Marcin Gortat and Ersan Iyllasova.

Mike

[Beat LA]

This is a big draft for Ainge, imo, and I honestly don't trust his ability to accurately evaluate talent.

Ainge hasn't been perfect but he's pretty clearly had an above average record as a drafter.  He's not up there with the San Antonio guys but anyone who comes up with Rondo, Tony Allen, Perk and Al Jefferson without using a lottery pick is doing something right.

Mike

I understand what you're saying and I respect your opinion, but those picks were almost 10 years ago, and Ainge has really been hit or miss since, and unfortunately for everyone, there have been many more emphatic misses than even decent hits.  Sullinger was a no-brainer, but why not Tony Wroten instead of Fab Melo?  That was just horrible.  I also wouldn't put Perk and Tony the bonehead on the level of Rondo and Big Al - I think Delonte and Leon were much better players (the latter of whom he bought/traded for on draft night anyway, so it still counts, I guess), even though I know what you're getting at.  Wasn't he supposed to take Kevin Martin over Tony Allen, and he wanted Robert Swift instead of Jefferson?  Wow   Thank god for those other teams, otherwise history might have been horrifyingly different.  I know I've said this before, but I remember reading that Ainge "wanted to take Monta Ellis" in 2005 over Gerald Green.  Um, you're the gm, so why didn't you?  I don't know at this point.  I do think, however, that his amassing of draft picks is an effort to hide his deficiency in this department, ie, the more picks he has, the more opportunities he has to pick a good player, so missing out on one pick may not be such a big deal, imo.  What about Chandler Parsons?  Maybe we should trade a few picks to Morey for some of his best scouts   I had never even heard of Parsons, but then again, I don't watch a lot of college basketball.  It just seems like he's dropped the ball when it comes to drafting, but that's just me.

[Jonny CC]

Celtics will and should pass on embiid.

I rather take my chances on randle

Randle had a broken foot in high school and is heading for foot surgery as well...Embiid is a much better prospect...

Randle is undersized and has t-rex arms, do. not. want

All college season long, they talked about Randle having t-Rex arms, then he measured a 7' wingspan at the combine.  I can't make sense of this.

Maybe his arms are scaley.

Logging in for the first time in months because I had to give this a TP.

Thanks.  Glad someone appreciated that attempt at humor.

[biggs]

Yao Ming was a freak of nature.  How many 7'6 players have had long lasting NBA careers? Mark Eaton? Lol. Manute Bol?

For the sake of historical accuracy, I'll jump in here and say you're wrong about Eaton and Bol in terms of career length--Eaton played 11 seasons and Bol 10 (and only once did Eaton play fewer than 79 games).

I think you got my point wrong. Or maybe I presented it wrong.  I was pointing out that these were the only two examples of "freaks of nature" I could think of that didn't have major career ending injuries and/or giantism. 

Point being that you can't compare Embiid's health issues to Yao Ming because guys like that rarely have long lasting careers.

For the record- Mark Eaton rules! Anyone remember Bol's game where he hit six 3 pointers in a half?  Now that was funny