can Rondo play in the Spurs system?

[Tr1boy]

Tim what about this stat you forgot to mention about

Rajon Rondo             touches/game 93.1   

Russell Westbrook     touches/game 74.1

Tony Parker              touches/game 76.0

  What about it?

you know for this stat the higher the number the worse it is right??

That kind of blanket statement is totally incorrect.
edit: 3 seconds too slow.

explain. The way i see it is, the less touches you have the more of everything else you can do, the better and efficient you are.

Why is RW, TP, Dragic touches lower than?

[BballTim]

All of the Spurs guards can shoot. I think it is a must in Pop's system. So, Rondo couldn't play in the Spurs system.

Or Pops would change his shot.  Diaw was a mediocre jump shooter and now he is pretty darn good. He won't miss an open jump shot anymore

but yeah if Rondo couldn't improve his shot, Patty Mills would prob get more mins on the court

  One would hope that Pops is a good enough coach that he wouldn't decide whether or not to play Rondo based solely on outside shooting. Rivers and Stevens were smarter than that.

[BballTim]

Tim what about this stat you forgot to mention about

Rajon Rondo             touches/game 93.1   

Russell Westbrook     touches/game 74.1

Tony Parker              touches/game 76.0

  What about it?

you know for this stat the higher the number the worse it is right??

That kind of blanket statement is totally incorrect.
edit: 3 seconds too slow.

explain. The way i see it is, the less touches you have the more of everything else you can do, the better and efficient you are.

Why is RW, TP, Dragic touches lower than?

  There you have it. We all now know why Brandon Bass has fewer touches per game than LeBron.

[D.o.s.]

Tim what about this stat you forgot to mention about

Rajon Rondo             touches/game 93.1   

Russell Westbrook     touches/game 74.1

Tony Parker              touches/game 76.0

  What about it?

you know for this stat the higher the number the worse it is right??

That kind of blanket statement is totally incorrect.
edit: 3 seconds too slow.

explain. The way i see it is, the less touches you have the more of everything else you can do, the better and efficient you are.

Why is RW, TP, Dragic touches lower than?

That stat literally says nothing about what's happening on the floor other than how many times a player is given the basketball a game. There's nothing inherently better or worse about it.


requoting myself so it doesn't get buried:

-anyone who thinks that the Spurs have been playing the same style of basketball over the last 20 years hasn't been watching the Spurs.

-anyone who thinks that Rondo wouldn't fit in because of his lack of outside shot missed 2007, when Tony Parker won Finals MVP shooting less than one three pointer per 100 possessions, and less than half of one per 36. That's in the regular season, in the finals it skyrocketed all the way to... one three attempted per game. And he averaged 30% from beyond the arc.

And they won the championship anyway.


another thought: perhaps Rondo would be more willing to play off the ball if he had more teammates that weren't even fit to be mentioned alongside the bottom of the barrel?

[Tr1boy]

you know Tony Parker is a better scorer than Rondo right??  He usually makes his layups, even pretty difficult ones.   He has a better floater. Basically a better touch around the rim

He is also an underrated defender. 

[D.o.s.]

I love Tony Parker's game -- he's the guy that saved the Spurs from the snoozefest that was the Robinson/Duncan San Antonio Spurs.

I'm just pointing out that the criticisms lodged against Rondo in this thread aren't really tethered to historical reality: which makes it harder to lodge legitimate criticisms of Rondo in the future.


In regards to the ball sticking -- I think you can excuse that because, as the C's are currently constructed, Rondo's penchant of passing for the assist (which is real) constitutes the best possible opportunity to put points on the board. The Celtics are really, really bad at scoring, and more ball movement, rather than more player movement, isn't necessarily the answer.

[BballTim]

you know Tony Parker is a better scorer than Rondo right??  He usually makes his layups, even pretty difficult ones.   He has a better floater. Basically a better touch around the rim

He is also an underrated defender.

  Sure. Parker's a better scorer around the rim. He's not the better passer, he's not the better rebounder, he can't run an offense as well and when they're both healthy he's the lesser defender.

[Snakehead]

A team without the passers the Spurs have across their roster shouldn't try to pass like them.  They can't, in fact.

[D.o.s.]

Rondo's much more of a Jason Williams than a Tony Parker, and I'd rather have our team pass like the Kings, anyway:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9vvy9m84-U

 2:45

[coco]

I like Rondo, but he tends to pound the ball for too long looking for that one pass.  Not really the type of "ball movement" I enjoy.  In the end, I think a lot of the problem has to do with lack of passing ability from our players not named KO, Sully and Rondo.

AB can't pass or feed to the post to save his life and Green and Bass aren't that much better at it either.....and with our best passers (i.e. Sully and KO) being bench players at this point in their careers, you can see where the lack of ball movement begins at.....

[BballTim]

A team without the passers the Spurs have across their roster shouldn't try to pass like them.  They can't, in fact.

  It's not just the passers, it's the continuity. You couldn't just cobble together a roster and expect that play even if they were good passers.

[Tr1boy]

I like Rondo, but he tends to pound the ball for too long looking for that one pass.  Not really the type of "ball movement" I enjoy.  In the end, I think a lot of the problem has to do with lack of passing ability from our players not named KO, Sully and Rondo.

AB can't pass or feed to the post to save his life and Green and Bass aren't that much better at it either.....and with our best passers (i.e. Sully and KO) being bench players at this point in their careers, you can see where the lack of ball movement begins at.....

+1

[Tr1boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmgB-jw_U0

This is how i'am hoping the Celtics will play basketball next season.   It's like a puzzle to solve on the offensive end.  Make the simple pass first , so that that player can make the pass to the open man. Instead of making it an adventure, trying to mesmerize, pull guys towards you and having to make difficult passes.

Diaw is definitely has elite passing skills. Better than alot of pg's in this league

[greg683x]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

You called it, sir.  Tommy Point for you.

[BballTim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmgB-jw_U0

This is how i'am hoping the Celtics will play basketball next season.   It's like a puzzle to solve on the offensive end.  Make the simple pass first , so that that player can make the pass to the open man. Instead of making it an adventure, trying to mesmerize, pull guys towards you and having to make difficult passes.

Diaw is definitely has elite passing skills. Better than alot of pg's in this league

  Diaw's definitely a good passer. We should just get a team full of players like that and we'll be well on our way to playing like that.

  Just for fun, why don't you compare our team to their team, position by position, in terms of which players are better passers? I'll bet the only position where the Celts have an advantage is the only player you think we need to get rid of to get this offense.