can Rondo play in the Spurs system?

[footey]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

Ha ha so true TP!

[Vox_Populi]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

  PP and KG were generally near the tops in the league for their positions playing with Rondo. Obviously he let others be facilitators on the court.

I agree with this. KG and Pierce were talented passers for their position and I don't think Rondo restricted them at all.

[Tr1boy]

Tim what about this stat you forgot to mention about

Rajon Rondo             touches/game 93.1   

Russell Westbrook     touches/game 74.1

Tony Parker              touches/game 76.0

[greenhead85]

All of the Spurs guards can shoot. I think it is a must in Pop's system. So, Rondo couldn't play in the Spurs system.

Or Pops would change his shot.  Diaw was a mediocre jump shooter and now he is pretty darn good. He won't miss an open jump shot anymore

but yeah if Rondo couldn't improve his shot, Patty Mills would prob get more mins on the court

With the Spurs success the past 2 or 3 decades, maybe Rondo could learn a lot from them by "tweaking" a little of his play by increasing the number of his outside shots and improving his free throws. It helps a lot too if he increases his number of paint penetration and foul-baiting.

[footey]

Rondo and Parker have some similar skill sets. Drive hard to the hoop to create. I could see Brad talking to Rondo, asking him to tailor his style to match the ball movement of the Spurs. Parker a better shooter than Rondo but not a great shooter. Spurs offense does not depend on him being lights out. Just need to surround Rondo with a lot of great 3 point shooters. And need great team defense. Gordon could be our Leonard on the defensive end. Sure we can work out a trade of picks to get another great shooter. AB and Sully and Green and Sully all have good outside touch although Sully needs to improve at the 3.

[Tr1boy]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

  PP and KG were generally near the tops in the league for their positions playing with Rondo. Obviously he let others be facilitators on the court.

I agree with this. KG and Pierce were talented passers for their position and I don't think Rondo restricted them at all.

why is it up to Rondo to "restrict" or "allow" , others to pass. 

[Vox_Populi]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

  PP and KG were generally near the tops in the league for their positions playing with Rondo. Obviously he let others be facilitators on the court.

I agree with this. KG and Pierce were talented passers for their position and I don't think Rondo restricted them at all.

why is it up to Rondo to "restrict" or "allow" , others to pass.

I don't know what that question has to do with anything....You said you don't think he's willing to let others be facilitators. BBallTim pointed out that KG and Pierce often were facilitators of the offense. I agree, Rondo wasn't reluctant to let others have the ball and make plays, like you would suggest.

[Tr1boy]

Rondo and Parker have some similar skill sets. Drive hard to the hoop to create. I could see Brad talking to Rondo, asking him to tailor his style to match the ball movement of the Spurs. Parker a better shooter than Rondo but not a great shooter. Spurs offense does not depend on him being lights out. Just need to surround Rondo with a lot of great 3 point shooters. And need great team defense. Gordon could be our Leonard on the defensive end. Sure we can work out a trade of picks to get another great shooter. AB and Sully and Green and Sully all have good outside touch although Sully needs to improve at the 3.

I agree. But will Rondo listen?

Sometimes i see him freestyling on the court.  He loves pulling in multiple players and do no look passes etc.  But sometimes when you do this, your running around everywhere, killing the clock.   

He needs to make the simple passes more. Launch football passes across the court for easy layups.  He really doesn't do this enough. Maybe he doesn't feel confident in making these passes

[footey]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

I believe if you play like the Spurs you see today its a better way to play (balls zipping left to right , inside and out) vs one guy do alot of the work while alot of players are standing around, or have to run around screens after screens.     

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court.

Rondo needs shooters. He prefers to move the ball. Unfortunately Danny didn't give him any shooters to pass to and everyone on the team this year is learning a new offense.
Rondo would thrive in San Antonio's system. How many guards in the NBA can break down the Heat defense like tony Parker? Probably Chris Paul, Steve Nash of 2010 and Rondo.
The Spurs offense works because their point guard attacks the defense by penetrating and dishing to create open shots.
I just said this in another thread, but go back and watch Rondo in the ECF in 2012 vs Miami and how much of our offense was created by his aggressiveness...the only reason we had a chance to beat Miami was because we had amazing ball movement.

well why was't there amazing ball movement with Rondo starting last season?? Why was there more ball movement with Pressey starting?   I do believe some of it has to do with Rondo wanting to pad his stats. He knows secondary assists don't mean anything

Or maybe he really wants to contribute and make it easier for everyone else to score, but it didn't work. Players were standing around more, defense also suffered

I think it will get easier if Danny purifies things and either builds around Rondo for the long term (draft for example Mcdermott, TJ Warren, CJ Wilcox, Hairston ) or trades Rondo and draft a another pg that BS can mold into his liking, plus a Aaron Gordon for example.   

Just speculation but I would forget about what Rondo did last season as a reference. Not only working his way back from major knee surgery, but we were in semi tank mode, and Rondo sure seemed to miss a lot of open lay ups. Must have been that durn knee LOL.

[LilRip]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

I believe if you play like the Spurs you see today its a better way to play (balls zipping left to right , inside and out) vs one guy do alot of the work while alot of players are standing around, or have to run around screens after screens.     

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court.

Rondo needs shooters. He prefers to move the ball. Unfortunately Danny didn't give him any shooters to pass to and everyone on the team this year is learning a new offense.
Rondo would thrive in San Antonio's system. How many guards in the NBA can break down the Heat defense like tony Parker? Probably Chris Paul, Steve Nash of 2010 and Rondo.
The Spurs offense works because their point guard attacks the defense by penetrating and dishing to create open shots.
I just said this in another thread, but go back and watch Rondo in the ECF in 2012 vs Miami and how much of our offense was created by his aggressiveness...the only reason we had a chance to beat Miami was because we had amazing ball movement.

i don't think this is the case, really. the Spurs offense works because everybody is well coached and knows their role. When they go to Tony Parker excessively, especially when Lebron is on him, that's generally when the Spurs struggle against the Heat.

[BballTim]

Tim what about this stat you forgot to mention about

Rajon Rondo             touches/game 93.1   

Russell Westbrook     touches/game 74.1

Tony Parker              touches/game 76.0

  What about it?

[Tr1boy]

Tim what about this stat you forgot to mention about

Rajon Rondo             touches/game 93.1   

Russell Westbrook     touches/game 74.1

Tony Parker              touches/game 76.0

  What about it?

you know for this stat the higher the number the worse it is right??

[BballTim]

All of the Spurs guards can shoot. I think it is a must in Pop's system. So, Rondo couldn't play in the Spurs system.

Or Pops would change his shot.  Diaw was a mediocre jump shooter and now he is pretty darn good. He won't miss an open jump shot anymore

but yeah if Rondo couldn't improve his shot, Patty Mills would prob get more mins on the court

With the Spurs success the past 2 or 3 decades, maybe Rondo could learn a lot from them by "tweaking" a little of his play by increasing the number of his outside shots and improving his free throws. It helps a lot too if he increases his number of paint penetration and foul-baiting.

  The Spurs really haven't been running the same offense for that time. Rondo's been increasing the number of outside shots he takes for quite a while. And I don't think he needs to look at the Spurs to realize he should try and make his free throws.

[BballTim]

Tim what about this stat you forgot to mention about

Rajon Rondo             touches/game 93.1   

Russell Westbrook     touches/game 74.1

Tony Parker              touches/game 76.0

  What about it?

you know for this stat the higher the number the worse it is right??

  No, go ahead and explain why you think it is.

[D.o.s.]

Tim what about this stat you forgot to mention about

Rajon Rondo             touches/game 93.1   

Russell Westbrook     touches/game 74.1

Tony Parker              touches/game 76.0

  What about it?

you know for this stat the higher the number the worse it is right??

That kind of blanket statement is totally incorrect.
edit: 3 seconds too slow.

double edit:
-anyone who thinks that the Spurs have been playing the same style of basketball over the last 20 years hasn't been watching the Spurs.

-anyone who thinks that Rondo wouldn't fit in because of his lack of outside shot missed 2007, when Tony Parker won Finals MVP shooting less than one three pointer per 100 possessions, and less than half of one per 36.