can Rondo play in the Spurs system?

[BballTim]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

More than just the guy who made this thread feel this way about Rondo though, all I'm saying.  It's always been like that.

I personally think it would be better, still saying Tony Parker is a great player in his own right.  They have enough shooters otherwise and they get the best passer in the league, a better defender and rebounder in the exchange?  A guy who is clutch in the playoffs too?  They can do without one shooter.

Rondo has better passing skills than Parker but Parker is willing to share the ball distribution duties more. Actually alot more. Sometimes he only has 5 assists but his secondary assist totals (if there is such a stat) would be much higher. I think so far in this Heat series Diaw has looked like the pg for the Spurs.

  Parker averaged 1.7 secondary assists a game this year, Rondo averaged 1.5. Not much of a difference considering Parker's secondary assists came from better passers getting the ball to better shooters.

[Tr1boy]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

I believe if you play like the Spurs you see today its a better way to play (balls zipping left to right , inside and out) vs one guy do alot of the work while alot of players are standing around, or have to run around screens after screens.     

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court. 

[Tr1boy]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

More than just the guy who made this thread feel this way about Rondo though, all I'm saying.  It's always been like that.

I personally think it would be better, still saying Tony Parker is a great player in his own right.  They have enough shooters otherwise and they get the best passer in the league, a better defender and rebounder in the exchange?  A guy who is clutch in the playoffs too?  They can do without one shooter.

Rondo has better passing skills than Parker but Parker is willing to share the ball distribution duties more. Actually alot more. Sometimes he only has 5 assists but his secondary assist totals (if there is such a stat) would be much higher. I think so far in this Heat series Diaw has looked like the pg for the Spurs.

  Parker averaged 1.7 secondary assists a game this year, Rondo averaged 1.5. Not much of a difference considering Parker's secondary assists came from better passers getting the ball to better shooters.

Tim you can use all the stats to back Rondo. Especially vs Parker. But Parker has been always and willing to give up the ball right after he passes the halfcourt. Like i said right now, Diaw is looking more like the PG and it doesn't matter if he is or not, the Spurs are on the verge of winning it all

[LilRip]

i think it would be difficult since the Spurs' current system is generally reliant on good spacing, which Rondo kills by not being a consistent shot. If Rondo were a Spur, Pop would either need to tweak his system to accommodate him or force Rondo to develop a shot.

I mean, as important as Kawhi is to that team defensively, i doubt he would be playing big minutes if he couldn't hit a 3.

[Tr1boy]

If Danny and BS don't care about a certain system to use and want to rebuild around Rondo then they need to get guys who are capable to excel without the ball. Run off screens. Actually they rather do this than create on their own.

Maybe they thought KO would be more like this, but he has proven that he also needs opportunities to pass to be fully effective. Same as Sully.

In this years draft forget about Smart (who also needs the ball in his hands) but instead you should get a Randle, TJ Warren, Doug Mcdermott, CJ Wilcox. Guys who are capable to score without needing the ball in their hands. Then Rondo can create for them. 

[BballTim]

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court.

  Was it better utilized when Rondo was off the court? When he came back into the lineup we were 29th in the league in assist/fg, at the end of the year we were 17th. During the time Rondo was in the lineup we were getting assists on as many of our field goals as the Spurs did over the course of the year.

[BballTim]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

More than just the guy who made this thread feel this way about Rondo though, all I'm saying.  It's always been like that.

I personally think it would be better, still saying Tony Parker is a great player in his own right.  They have enough shooters otherwise and they get the best passer in the league, a better defender and rebounder in the exchange?  A guy who is clutch in the playoffs too?  They can do without one shooter.

Rondo has better passing skills than Parker but Parker is willing to share the ball distribution duties more. Actually alot more. Sometimes he only has 5 assists but his secondary assist totals (if there is such a stat) would be much higher. I think so far in this Heat series Diaw has looked like the pg for the Spurs.

  Parker averaged 1.7 secondary assists a game this year, Rondo averaged 1.5. Not much of a difference considering Parker's secondary assists came from better passers getting the ball to better shooters.

Tim you can use all the stats to back Rondo.

  It really doesn't phase you in the least when you make claim after claim about Rondo that fly in the face of any statistical measure, does it?

[chambers]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

I believe if you play like the Spurs you see today its a better way to play (balls zipping left to right , inside and out) vs one guy do alot of the work while alot of players are standing around, or have to run around screens after screens.     

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court.

Rondo needs shooters. He prefers to move the ball. Unfortunately Danny didn't give him any shooters to pass to and everyone on the team this year is learning a new offense.
Rondo would thrive in San Antonio's system. How many guards in the NBA can break down the Heat defense like tony Parker? Probably Chris Paul, Steve Nash of 2010 and Rondo.
The Spurs offense works because their point guard attacks the defense by penetrating and dishing to create open shots.
I just said this in another thread, but go back and watch Rondo in the ECF in 2012 vs Miami and how much of our offense was created by his aggressiveness...the only reason we had a chance to beat Miami was because we had amazing ball movement.

[BballTim]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

  PP and KG were generally near the tops in the league for their positions playing with Rondo. Obviously he let others be facilitators on the court.

[Tr1boy]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

I believe if you play like the Spurs you see today its a better way to play (balls zipping left to right , inside and out) vs one guy do alot of the work while alot of players are standing around, or have to run around screens after screens.     

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court.

Rondo needs shooters. He prefers to move the ball. Unfortunately Danny didn't give him any shooters to pass to and everyone on the team this year is learning a new offense.
Rondo would thrive in San Antonio's system. How many guards in the NBA can break down the Heat defense like tony Parker? Probably Chris Paul, Steve Nash of 2010 and Rondo.
The Spurs offense works because their point guard attacks the defense by penetrating and dishing to create open shots.
I just said this in another thread, but go back and watch Rondo in the ECF in 2012 vs Miami and how much of our offense was created by his aggressiveness...the only reason we had a chance to beat Miami was because we had amazing ball movement.

well why was't there amazing ball movement with Rondo starting last season?? Why was there more ball movement with Pressey starting?   I do believe some of it has to do with Rondo wanting to pad his stats. He knows secondary assists don't mean anything

Or maybe he really wants to contribute and make it easier for everyone else to score, but it didn't work. Players were standing around more, defense also suffered

I think it will get easier if Danny purifies things and either builds around Rondo for the long term (draft for example Mcdermott, TJ Warren, CJ Wilcox, Hairston ) or trades Rondo and draft a another pg that BS can mold into his liking, plus a Aaron Gordon for example.     

[BballTim]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

I believe if you play like the Spurs you see today its a better way to play (balls zipping left to right , inside and out) vs one guy do alot of the work while alot of players are standing around, or have to run around screens after screens.     

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court.

Rondo needs shooters. He prefers to move the ball. Unfortunately Danny didn't give him any shooters to pass to and everyone on the team this year is learning a new offense.
Rondo would thrive in San Antonio's system. How many guards in the NBA can break down the Heat defense like tony Parker? Probably Chris Paul, Steve Nash of 2010 and Rondo.
The Spurs offense works because their point guard attacks the defense by penetrating and dishing to create open shots.
I just said this in another thread, but go back and watch Rondo in the ECF in 2012 vs Miami and how much of our offense was created by his aggressiveness...the only reason we had a chance to beat Miami was because we had amazing ball movement.

well why was't there amazing ball movement with Rondo starting last season?? Why was there more ball movement with Pressey starting?   I do believe some of it has to do with Rondo wanting to pad his stats. He knows secondary assists don't mean anything

  Pressey's secondary assist per minute played rate is the same as Rondo's. I guess he wanted to pad his stats as well.

[greenhead85]

All of the Spurs guards can shoot. I think it is a must in Pop's system. So, Rondo couldn't play in the Spurs system.

[Tr1boy]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

I believe if you play like the Spurs you see today its a better way to play (balls zipping left to right , inside and out) vs one guy do alot of the work while alot of players are standing around, or have to run around screens after screens.     

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court.

Rondo needs shooters. He prefers to move the ball. Unfortunately Danny didn't give him any shooters to pass to and everyone on the team this year is learning a new offense.
Rondo would thrive in San Antonio's system. How many guards in the NBA can break down the Heat defense like tony Parker? Probably Chris Paul, Steve Nash of 2010 and Rondo.
The Spurs offense works because their point guard attacks the defense by penetrating and dishing to create open shots.
I just said this in another thread, but go back and watch Rondo in the ECF in 2012 vs Miami and how much of our offense was created by his aggressiveness...the only reason we had a chance to beat Miami was because we had amazing ball movement.

well why was't there amazing ball movement with Rondo starting last season?? Why was there more ball movement with Pressey starting?   I do believe some of it has to do with Rondo wanting to pad his stats. He knows secondary assists don't mean anything

  Pressey's secondary assist per minute played rate is the same as Rondo's. I guess he wanted to pad his stats as well.

what was Pressey's avg ball holding time??  he made very quick decisions with the ball. I'd be surprised if it was more than 3 seconds

[Tr1boy]

All of the Spurs guards can shoot. I think it is a must in Pop's system. So, Rondo couldn't play in the Spurs system.

Or Pops would change his shot.  Diaw was a mediocre jump shooter and now he is pretty darn good. He won't miss an open jump shot anymore

but yeah if Rondo couldn't improve his shot, Patty Mills would prob get more mins on the court

[BballTim]

I haven't been here that long but I already see how this thread plays out.

There have been a lot of threads about Rondo's shooting before, and building teams around him because he can't shoot, for reference.

I was thinking more along the lines of someone having an agenda and this thread will mostly turn into everyone trying to convince him he's wrong when his mind is already made up.

What is the problem? It's a discussion

with that said i'll agree with you that rondo likely would not fit in San Antonio. specifically because he's not the outside shooter parker is.

it's not so much i dislike Rondo but i don't think he is willing to change and let others also be facilitators on the court.

I believe if you play like the Spurs you see today its a better way to play (balls zipping left to right , inside and out) vs one guy do alot of the work while alot of players are standing around, or have to run around screens after screens.     

BS also looks like he wants to play the Spurs system. We have players with nice passing skills like KO, Sully, Green but it was underutilized when Rondo was on the court.

Rondo needs shooters. He prefers to move the ball. Unfortunately Danny didn't give him any shooters to pass to and everyone on the team this year is learning a new offense.
Rondo would thrive in San Antonio's system. How many guards in the NBA can break down the Heat defense like tony Parker? Probably Chris Paul, Steve Nash of 2010 and Rondo.
The Spurs offense works because their point guard attacks the defense by penetrating and dishing to create open shots.
I just said this in another thread, but go back and watch Rondo in the ECF in 2012 vs Miami and how much of our offense was created by his aggressiveness...the only reason we had a chance to beat Miami was because we had amazing ball movement.

well why was't there amazing ball movement with Rondo starting last season?? Why was there more ball movement with Pressey starting?   I do believe some of it has to do with Rondo wanting to pad his stats. He knows secondary assists don't mean anything

  Pressey's secondary assist per minute played rate is the same as Rondo's. I guess he wanted to pad his stats as well.

what was Pressey's avg ball holding time??  he made very quick decisions with the ball. I'd be surprised if it was more than 3 seconds

  4.4 seconds, so much closer to the time Rondo had the ball than what you thought it would be.