Dan Gilbert to go after Love even w/ no commitment in hopes of luring LeBron

[Eja117]

Why not? When you're in a city like Cleveland you have to make some gambles to put a team together.

Trading the #1 pick in an epic draft, which would be cost controlled for a number of years, for a guy who is likely to leave your team next summer, is crazy. So yea, I can see the Cavs doing it.

5 points for Gryffendor

[IlCapitano]

Hope it happens bc we have no chance at love then

To wolves:  1st,  thompson,  waiters, gee, hopson
To cavs: love, 13th pick

I guess this begs the question: it sounds like you would rather us draft Aaron Gordon than acquire Kevin Love? Is that accurate?

I think its fair to say triboy would rather have a lineup of

Marcus Smart
Nik Stauskas
Aaron Gordon
Kelly Olynyk
Josef Nurkic

than

Rajon Rondo
Arron Afflalo
Jeff Green
Levin Love
Marc Gasol

not that these lineups are remotely realistic but triboys's love for youth seriously clouds his ability to judge what type of team can actually win in the NBA.

sure and you think having two B class players that want max money will win us a championship?

the 2nd lineup you suggest will never happen anyways

How is Kevin Love a B class player?

Relax. Him and Rondo were two average players a few days ago. He's improving.

[gpap]

Hope it happens bc we have no chance at love then

To wolves:  1st,  thompson,  waiters, gee, hopson
To cavs: love, 13th pick

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/08/report-kevin-love-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-cavaliers/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

BOOM

[hpantazo]

Hope it happens bc we have no chance at love then

To wolves:  1st,  thompson,  waiters, gee, hopson
To cavs: love, 13th pick

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/06/08/report-kevin-love-doesnt-want-to-play-for-the-cavaliers/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

BOOM

DOUBLE BOOM

Like we all said earlier, no chance of this happening.

[bknova]

Why not? When you're in a city like Cleveland you have to make some gambles to put a team together.

Trading the #1 pick in an epic draft, which would be cost controlled for a number of years, for a guy who is likely to leave your team next summer, is crazy. So yea, I can see the Cavs doing it.

Its the draft.  There is no guarantee it or an of the players in it are going to be "epic". Yes, there are guys that look like they might be perennial all stars, but there is no "sure thing".  Meanwhile, Love is a proven 25/10 guy whose 25 years old and hasn't even entered his prime.  If they could put together a package that Minnesota would accept, Cleveland would be absolutely stupid not to trade for Love.  Kyrie/Love/Deng is a team that could get to the ECF.  A run like that might actually make both players want to stay, and then they have a core for the next 5 years.

Maybe you missed the part about the pick being a cost controlled player for a number of years, which for a small market team who is going to offer Irving the max, is a huge deal. Nevermind thinking they can afford Irving at the max, Love at the max, Lebron at the max, and Deng. That's crazy talk.

Did I say anything about Lebron?  I say you make a deal with or without any guarantee about Lebron.  You make this deal because the East is a joke. Because you have to finally excite your fan base again.  Because you have to prove to Kyrie you are serious about fielding a competitive team.  Because if Kyrie and Love get this team to the ECF next year, you have legitimate shot of signing both.  And yes, you can afford two max deals, and sign Deng at a favorable third banana price. 

[colincb]

A) Jackie McMullen shot this down before in an article that we covered in the forums.  Everyone knows what a clusterfest the Cavs are. Gilbert's right up there with Dolan, Taylor, and the dearly departed Sterling as far as incompetence as an owner.

B) Why would James want to go to a team where he knows management is bad and take a long shot at winning a ring when he can stay put where he knows management is very good and he's won 2 rings and counting. Don't tell me the money would sway LBJ when it's been proven it's won't. Cleveland's not a bad town, but most people would prefer Miami. Cheaper taxes too. Also look at A above.

[Smokeeye123]

Hope it happens bc we have no chance at love then

To wolves:  1st,  thompson,  waiters, gee, hopson
To cavs: love, 13th pick

I guess this begs the question: it sounds like you would rather us draft Aaron Gordon than acquire Kevin Love? Is that accurate?

I think its fair to say triboy would rather have a lineup of

Marcus Smart
Nik Stauskas
Aaron Gordon
Kelly Olynyk
Josef Nurkic

than

Rajon Rondo
Arron Afflalo
Jeff Green
Levin Love
Marc Gasol

not that these lineups are remotely realistic but triboys's love for youth seriously clouds his ability to judge what type of team can actually win in the NBA.

sure and you think having two B class players that want max money will win us a championship?

the 2nd lineup you suggest will never happen anyways

How is Kevin Love a B class player?

Oh you didnt get the memo? A class players are Lebron, Bird, Magic Johnson, Kobe, Duncan, Garnett, and Jordan. Anyone else is worthless and not worth the time/money. if you can't get an A player you might as well draft D class players and just hope for the 0.0013% chance they develop into A class players. (end sarcasm here)

[Smokeeye123]

Hope it happens bc we have no chance at love then

To wolves:  1st,  thompson,  waiters, gee, hopson
To cavs: love, 13th pick

I guess this begs the question: it sounds like you would rather us draft Aaron Gordon than acquire Kevin Love? Is that accurate?

I think its fair to say triboy would rather have a lineup of

Marcus Smart
Nik Stauskas
Aaron Gordon
Kelly Olynyk
Josef Nurkic

than

Rajon Rondo
Arron Afflalo
Jeff Green
Levin Love
Marc Gasol

not that these lineups are remotely realistic but triboys's love for youth seriously clouds his ability to judge what type of team can actually win in the NBA.

sure and you think having two B class players that want max money will win us a championship?

the 2nd lineup you suggest will never happen anyways

How is Kevin Love a B class player?

Relax. Him and Rondo were two average players a few days ago. He's improving.

I think if you are 3rd in the league in rebounding and 4th in scoring you are an A level player...Also did he call Gasol a B player? He won Defensive player of the year two years ago...Does tri hate offense or defense? Or does he just selectively hate/like depending on the situation?

[Tr1boy]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

any objections?

[manl_lui]

if he still goes for Kevin Love for the 1st pick, then Cle have no hope...they're going to make playoffs being a first round exit

Love bouncing in FA to wherever...and they lose a 1st pick

[nickagneta]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

Here, let me help you out with something regarding shooting efficiency:

True shooting percent = (Total points scored X 100)/(2 X(Field goals attempted +(0.44 X Free throws attempted)))

True shooting percentage has been considered the best way to gauge shooting accuracy as well as scoring efficiency for some time. If you are primarily an outside shooter anything above say 56% is good. Above 60% is great. Love's career TS% is 56% The last two full season's he has played in it has been over 59%.

That's dang good to great for a player who has mostly an outside game. Ray Allen the greatest shooter of his generation has only a 58% true shooting percentage for his career. Stretch power forwards that have a true shooting percentage of over 58% in a season are rare and some of the most efficient players you can find.

[doinky]

Love has certainly done his part to get the Twolves to the playoffs. Hard to do when you're practically playing with the cast of the Simpsons. Basketball is still a team sport. This argument is old.

[Tr1boy]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

Here, let me help you out with something regarding shooting efficiency:

True shooting percent = (Total points scored X 100)/(2 X(Field goals attempted +(0.44 X Free throws attempted)))

True shooting percentage has been considered the best way to gauge shooting accuracy as well as scoring efficiency for some time. If you are primarily an outside shooter anything above say 56% is good. Above 60% is great. Love's career TS% is 56% The last two full season's he has played in it has been over 59%.

That's dang good to great for a player who has mostly an outside game. Ray Allen the greatest shooter of his generation has only a 58% true shooting percentage for his career. Stretch power forwards that have a true shooting percentage of over 58% in a season are rare and some of the most efficient players you can find.

sorry but you don't know what your talking about. Good excuse for Love though.

I guess LMA TSP is like 70 percent than.  Love has a choice to operate from the post or drive to the basket more to increase his efficiency. Instead he rather chuck the ball and especially keep shooting away the threes. He is not even an elite 3 point shooter in this league

[hpantazo]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

Here, let me help you out with something regarding shooting efficiency:

True shooting percent = (Total points scored X 100)/(2 X(Field goals attempted +(0.44 X Free throws attempted)))

True shooting percentage has been considered the best way to gauge shooting accuracy as well as scoring efficiency for some time. If you are primarily an outside shooter anything above say 56% is good. Above 60% is great. Love's career TS% is 56% The last two full season's he has played in it has been over 59%.

That's dang good to great for a player who has mostly an outside game. Ray Allen the greatest shooter of his generation has only a 58% true shooting percentage for his career. Stretch power forwards that have a true shooting percentage of over 58% in a season are rare and some of the most efficient players you can find.

sorry but you don't know what your talking about. Good excuse for Love though.

I guess LMA TSP is like 70 percent than.  Love has a choice to operate from the post or drive to the basket more to increase his efficiency. Instead he rather chuck the ball and especially keep shooting away the threes. He is not even an elite 3 point shooter in this league

why are you still arguing about this in a thread about cleveland trading for Love when it has already been reported as false by a number of sources?

[nickagneta]

Has he helped his team get to the playoffs yet??
Is he a good two way player??
He has shot overall for his career 44 percent (FG). is that good for a premier PF in this league??

He is no different than a guy like Carmelo Anthony.  Even if they make the playoffs, they are not efficient scorers and don't play the kind of defense that can help you win it all

Here, let me help you out with something regarding shooting efficiency:

True shooting percent = (Total points scored X 100)/(2 X(Field goals attempted +(0.44 X Free throws attempted)))

True shooting percentage has been considered the best way to gauge shooting accuracy as well as scoring efficiency for some time. If you are primarily an outside shooter anything above say 56% is good. Above 60% is great. Love's career TS% is 56% The last two full season's he has played in it has been over 59%.

That's dang good to great for a player who has mostly an outside game. Ray Allen the greatest shooter of his generation has only a 58% true shooting percentage for his career. Stretch power forwards that have a true shooting percentage of over 58% in a season are rare and some of the most efficient players you can find.

sorry but you don't know what your talking about. Good excuse for Love though.

I guess LMA TSP is like 70 percent than.  Love has a choice to operate from the post or drive to the basket more to increase his efficiency. Instead he rather chuck the ball and especially keep shooting away the threes. He is not even an elite 3 point shooter in this league

You would do well to read up on this. True shooting percentage is a combination of FG%, 3PT% and FT% that gives the overall picture of just how efficient a scorer one is and how good a shooter one is.

Seriously, read up on it. You aren't doing yourself any favors spouting stuff off like you did in this post. It makes you look seriously misinformed, if not worse.

Here try reading this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/True_shooting_percentage

http://www.sportingcharts.com/dictionary/nba/true-shooting-percentage-ts.aspx

http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2010/8/16/1624997/advanced-metrics-handbook-vol-2