Flip: Love doesn't have a right to be frustrated

[Kane3387]

Ppl underestimate the influence and the power of the agents here. They're the ones pulling a lot of the strings and calling a lot of the shots.

[Tr1boy]

Flip is right. Love is mentally weak. At least play out your contract

So if Danny just let Rondo play out his contract, knowing that he wants to leave and he's touring a potential new city, you'd be totally cool with that?

nooo.  A player has a contract. If the team asks them will you resign the next after, you don't have to comment or tell them you likely won't.  You can say your not coming back etc.

But if the team says that doesn't matter right now, ready for next season?? You say yes

Like i said before unless you been mistreated (like Asik sort of was with the Rockets bringing in Dhoward) etc. You play out your contract

The team can by the trade deadline, trade you, thats the power they have.

When a player is a FA , they have alot of the power to go where they want for how much etc.

I call bull. If Rondo left at the end of the season without the team getting a chance to get something for him, you'd be one of the first people in the mob with a pitchfork. If a player knows he's not staying, that doesn't make him mentally weak. It's honest.

i don't think your reading what i wrote properly.

Don't make it complicated

Players : Signs contract, plays it out. Has the choice to not take player option nor has to make a promise to stay after the contract

Team: Provides money for players to perform on the court.  On trade deadline has the option to trade any player they like.   


It's joke imo that Love looks like the nice guy right now. Basically telling the Wolves to get something for him while they still can. Maybe there is a small part to this bc he doesn't want a pie thrown at his face if he visits minny again but he is mostly doing it himself. Him and his agent (who prob was telling Pierce to threaten to leave back in 2007).  He can't deal with the stress and if can't help the wolves get into the playoffs will lose out on millions. 

Love can tell minny he won't resign but its not up to him to tell him to trade him now.  He can say he wants to be traded, but he looks like a irresponsible dummy if he does/did that. IF the team on the other hand wants to trade him that thats their right.  If they ask Love will you resign and he doesn't comment, maybe the team is stupid for not trading him in the offseason or by the trade deadline

And yes i would be upset if Rondo left and we didn't get compensated but it would be Danny's fault then for taking the chance

[j804]

Suns have no chance at love, why in the world would he agree to sign with them if Dragic and Bledsoe are gone.

So it's looking like the Bulls are our only competition?

The Wolves can keep singing this tune that they like Chicago's offer better but it looks to me like they're just trying to up our offer when we make one. We have the better assets and it's not even close.

[RJ87]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

[Tr1boy]

Bet you guys Rockets are going to win the chase for Love

Parsons, Jones, Lin and 2014 1st for Love and Martin

[hpantazo]

Bet you guys Rockets are going to win the chase for Love

Parsons, Jones, Lin and 2014 1st for Love and Martin

that's a horrible trade for Minnesota, even if the rockets were willing to take on Martin's salary for a player that would play backup to Harden.

I don't get it Triboy, why are you so against the celtics getting Love? You absolutely hate the idea but have not provided any logical explanation besides your personal bias that Love is weak minded in your opinion, yet somehow a rookie with limited skills like Gordon would be a leader. It makes no sense.

If you were to provide a reasonable explanation for why you don't want Love, and some decent alternative options, I would understand and perhaps agree.

[Tr1boy]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves once he is a FA

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

[RJ87]

Bet you guys Rockets are going to win the chase for Love

Parsons, Jones, Lin and 2014 1st for Love and Martin

-TP. That's a terrible trade for Minny. And are they maxing out Parsons? That's the only way he's agreeing to a sign and trade to Minnesota.

[hpantazo]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

this is a poor argument. Love never once said e won't play this season, He will, even if he's in sota. He just honestly informed his employer of his intentions, giving a 1 year notice.

[guava_wrench]

Flip is right. Love is mentally weak. At least play out your contract

So if Danny just let Rondo play out his contract, knowing that he wants to leave and he's touring a potential new city, you'd be totally cool with that?

nooo.  A player has a contract. If the team asks them will you resign the next after, you don't have to comment or tell them you likely won't.  You can say your not coming back etc.

But if the team says that doesn't matter right now, ready for next season?? You say yes

Like i said before unless you been mistreated (like Asik sort of was with the Rockets bringing in Dhoward) etc. You play out your contract

The team can by the trade deadline, trade you, thats the power they have.

When a player is a FA , they have alot of the power to go where they want for how much etc.

I call bull. If Rondo left at the end of the season without the team getting a chance to get something for him, you'd be one of the first people in the mob with a pitchfork. If a player knows he's not staying, that doesn't make him mentally weak. It's honest.

i don't think your reading what i wrote properly.

Don't make it complicated

Players : Signs contract, plays it out. Has the choice to not take player option nor has to make a promise to stay after the contract

Team: Provides money for players to perform on the court.  On trade deadline has the option to trade any player they like.   


It's joke imo that Love looks like the nice guy right now. Basically telling the Wolves to get something for him while they still can. Maybe there is a small part to this bc he doesn't want a pie thrown at his face if he visits minny again but he is mostly doing it himself. Him and his agent (who prob was telling Pierce to threaten to leave back in 2007).  He can't deal with the stress and if can't help the wolves get into the playoffs will lose out on millions. 

Love can tell minny he won't resign but its not up to him to tell him to trade him now.  He can say he wants to be traded, but he looks like a irresponsible dummy if he does/did that. IF the team on the other hand wants to trade him that thats their right.  If they ask Love will you resign and he doesn't comment, maybe the team is stupid for not trading him in the offseason or by the trade deadline

And yes i would be upset if Rondo left and we didn't get compensated but it wouldn't Danny's fault then for taking the chance

I have to agree. You can tell a team you have no intention to re-sign. When the games come, shut up and do your job. If you don't like losing, tough. It is the NBA. Every team can't win. That's called math.

There is risk on both sides when you sign a contract. Live with it. You signed the contract.

[BigAlTheFuture]

Bet you guys Rockets are going to win the chase for Love

Parsons, Jones, Lin and 2014 1st for Love and Martin

You probably pray for this every night before you sleep. Wolves would rather let Love walk than accept these garbage trade ideas you propose.

[RJ87]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

Unless he asks for a buyout or sits out the season,  he is honoring it. Contracts, as you've pointed out, are tradeable. He and his agent understand the business aspect of that and are using the power they have to control the situation to put himself in a better position moving forward.

And keep in mind, KG did more and ended up wasting his prime in Minnesota. The minute he got traded, he won a championship. Probably not the best player comparison.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Even in contracts in other jobs you could half ass it and wait it out for better things.

[GreenFaith1819]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves once he is a FA

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

So, if KLove becomes the good boyscout, honors his contract, and shuts up.......where does that leave Minny, eventually?

What plan do you believe that Flip has to make them more competitive? A playoff team?

[Tr1boy]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

Unless he asks for a buyout or sits out the season,  he is honoring it. Contracts, as you've pointed out, are tradeable. He and his agent understand the business aspect of that and are using the power they have to control the situation to put himself in a better position moving forward.

And keep in mind, KG did more and ended up wasting his prime in Minnesota. The minute he got traded, he won a championship. Probably not the best player comparison.

KG unlike Love didn't ask to be traded.  KG actually didn't want to leave but the org wanted him to chase a ring while he still could while also starting a rebuild

RJ87 when you sign a contract, lets say a work one.  You need to finish the job.  You can't say after only 80 percent completion, you better get somebody else. Or now i've seen other jobs that pay better or is in a nicer neighborhood i'm quitting or you have to let me go

Saunders to me is correct here.  Love is complaining and he needs to stop doing it and do what he can control on the court.    This is another reason i don't want this guy. Or immature kid to me it looks like.  Like a whinny kid he screams trade me now bc i'm not coming back, 2nd comes to Boston to stick it to the Wolves franchise. If he really wants to play for the Celts, does he and his dummy agent think visting the city now is going to help??

I don't think the guy is very smart or has hired a crappy agent