Flip: Love doesn't have a right to be frustrated

[Tr1boy]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves once he is a FA

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

So, if KLove becomes the good boyscout, honors his contract, and shuts up.......where does that leave Minny, eventually?

What plan do you believe that Flip has to make them more competitive? A playoff team?

Love honors his contract, the wolves Management can trade him. Thats the control they have

If they ask Love, are you going to stay and he says nothing but they still keep him and he leaves them, then they are the losers

Stop mixing the two or Love has to help Minny stay competitive.  He just has to play out his contract and the Wolves can trade him

[GreenFaith1819]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves once he is a FA

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

So, if KLove becomes the good boyscout, honors his contract, and shuts up.......where does that leave Minny, eventually?

What plan do you believe that Flip has to make them more competitive? A playoff team?

Love honors his contract, the wolves Management can trade him. Thats the control they have

If they ask Love, are you going to stay and he says nothing but they still keep him and he leaves them, then they are the losers

Stop mixing the two or Love has to help Minny stay competitive.  He just has to play out his contract and the Wolves can trade him

I think I see your point, Triboy.

But all that will do is just sell tickets in Minny...following your scenario, Love will put up another 26/13 and 4 season, make the All-star team again, and - unless perhaps DAL falters, finally get an 8th - maybe 7th - playoff spot.

And then lose in the 1st round.

Love will, under your scenario, then just confirm what he wanted all along - that Minny, while making the playoffs - has no firm plan to get better - or maybe they're just inept.

Under the scenario I just stated - maybe Flip is hoping that DAL falters, to justify his stand that KLove should honor his contract. At the end of the day that scenario will get Flip fired next summer, and KLove will still end up in BOS, with Dave Ortiz, and Rajon Rondo .

Flip needs to examine this from all angles - not just his.

[Tr1boy]

Flip wants Love to play for next season.  He wants him to honor his contract.

Maybe he thinks the team will be alot better and Love will change his mind or he is not ready to give up on the current lineup

I'm sure he is listening to offers but i doubt there are any that has blown his socks off.  Maybe it will get better by draft night or maybe it won't. It's just like what happened with Rondo on trade deadline.

IMO what Flip wants to do is keep Love and hope he changes his mind. If not he wants Love to play out of this world until the trade deadline and then see what options he has. Or maybe he will take the risk to lose Love for nothing by 2015 FA period and hope the team goes far in the playoffs

Losing love is big but right now the Wolves want nothing more than to make even 8th place.  The owner is tired of being asked when the team making the playoffs?? Why does the wolves stink?? why did you trade KG?? he is tired of going through a 5 year rebuilding plan, fail, 5 year rebuilding plan, fail.  If i was Taylor i would be sick and tired. I'm not even thinking about the future right now but how i'am going to make the playoffs ASAP

[RJ87]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

Unless he asks for a buyout or sits out the season,  he is honoring it. Contracts, as you've pointed out, are tradeable. He and his agent understand the business aspect of that and are using the power they have to control the situation to put himself in a better position moving forward.

And keep in mind, KG did more and ended up wasting his prime in Minnesota. The minute he got traded, he won a championship. Probably not the best player comparison.

KG unlike Love didn't ask to be traded.  KG actually didn't want to leave but the org wanted him to chase a ring while he still could while also starting a rebuild

RJ87 when you sign a contract, lets say a work one.  You need to finish the job.  You can't say after only 80 percent completion, you better get somebody else. Or now i've seen other jobs that pay better or is in a nicer neighborhood i'm quitting or you have to let me go

You find a better job, give your current job two weeks or more notice so they can start the process of finding your replacement to smooth the transition.  Happens constantly in the workforce.

[Tr1boy]

Triboy, that's one sided. There's little to no accountability for management if the NBA operated the way you think it should.

If a player signs a contract with a team who promises to build a contender around him and the team fails to do so, why should a player be forced to stay in that situation? And now you have a part owner/gm/coach throwing a player under the bus in the media and taking no responsibility for management's misteps.

Of the past few superstar moves (Lebron leaving Cleveland, Melo getting traded, CP3 getting traded, Dwightmare), only 2 were completely upfront with their respective teams about not wanting to return and they were the only 2 who reputation and popularity didn't take a massive hit.

Does basketball work like a special business or something??  Business is business

You sign a contract, you play it out.   The Wolves were trying to get help for Love.  They got Martin, signed Pekovic . They got a good bench. Maybe Love has to do more like Mitchell said to KG

A player signs a contract to perform. To earn the money they get paid. With such contract signed, where does it read that the team also has a responsibility to provide help ?? to build a contender?  If they don't want to lose fans it's a given they have to, it's not something that they owe to the player

Love and his agent to me are not fulfilling their end of the bargain. A contract was signed, you don't have to take the players option, but you have to play.   Love doesn't want to go through another possibility of missing the playoffs (7 years) but also is scared he can't command the money he thinks he deserves

I can complain about what he is doing. RJ87 you can defend him. Bottom line he signed a contract and he has to/should honor it.

Unless he asks for a buyout or sits out the season,  he is honoring it. Contracts, as you've pointed out, are tradeable. He and his agent understand the business aspect of that and are using the power they have to control the situation to put himself in a better position moving forward.

And keep in mind, KG did more and ended up wasting his prime in Minnesota. The minute he got traded, he won a championship. Probably not the best player comparison.

KG unlike Love didn't ask to be traded.  KG actually didn't want to leave but the org wanted him to chase a ring while he still could while also starting a rebuild

RJ87 when you sign a contract, lets say a work one.  You need to finish the job.  You can't say after only 80 percent completion, you better get somebody else. Or now i've seen other jobs that pay better or is in a nicer neighborhood i'm quitting or you have to let me go

You find a better job, give your current job two weeks or more notice so they can start the process of finding your replacement to smooth the transition.  Happens constantly in the workforce.

your talking about getting hired for a normal job. I'm talking about contract work. Like Construction etc. Similar to how it works in the nba

Contracts should be honored but obviously isn't by many players/coaches.  Thats why for example when Doc was still on contract but quit on us he got backlash from many fans. 

[MBunge]

Flip wants Love to play for next season.  He wants him to honor his contract.

1.  Love has never said he won't play or won't honor his contract.  It is flatly dishonest for you to keep bringing that up.

2.  Love IS doing the TWolves a favor by telling them of his intentions now.  The later they wait to trade Love the worse a deal they will get because there will be fewer offers.  The number of teams who want Love now is bigger than it will be at the trade deadline and when Love becomes a free agent, Minny's leverage drops to near zero.

3.  Flip may want to roll the dice but he's gambling with the franchise's future.

Mike

[Tr1boy]

Flip wants Love to play for next season.  He wants him to honor his contract.

1.  Love has never said he won't play or won't honor his contract.  It is flatly dishonest for you to keep bringing that up.

2.  Love IS doing the TWolves a favor by telling them of his intentions now.  The later they wait to trade Love the worse a deal they will get because there will be fewer offers.  The number of teams who want Love now is bigger than it will be at the trade deadline and when Love becomes a free agent, Minny's leverage drops to near zero.

3.  Flip may want to roll the dice but he's gambling with the franchise's future.

Mike

tell me why does he care? he is quitting on them, why does he care what the wolves can get back in return?

either he does't want to get a pie thrown on his face  or he wants to play for another team asap. Please don't keep saying he wants to help the Wolves. Yeah right

[RJ87]

Flip wants Love to play for next season.  He wants him to honor his contract.

1.  Love has never said he won't play or won't honor his contract.  It is flatly dishonest for you to keep bringing that up.

2.  Love IS doing the TWolves a favor by telling them of his intentions now.  The later they wait to trade Love the worse a deal they will get because there will be fewer offers.  The number of teams who want Love now is bigger than it will be at the trade deadline and when Love becomes a free agent, Minny's leverage drops to near zero.

3.  Flip may want to roll the dice but he's gambling with the franchise's future.

Mike

tell me why does he care? he is quitting on them, why does he care what the wolves can get back in return?

either he does't want to get a pie thrown on his face  or he wants to play for another team asap. Please don't keep saying he wants to help the Wolves. Yeah right

Thats your projection onto the situation. There's been no indication he won't play if they choose not to trade him.

[MBunge]

Flip wants Love to play for next season.  He wants him to honor his contract.

1.  Love has never said he won't play or won't honor his contract.  It is flatly dishonest for you to keep bringing that up.

2.  Love IS doing the TWolves a favor by telling them of his intentions now.  The later they wait to trade Love the worse a deal they will get because there will be fewer offers.  The number of teams who want Love now is bigger than it will be at the trade deadline and when Love becomes a free agent, Minny's leverage drops to near zero.

3.  Flip may want to roll the dice but he's gambling with the franchise's future.

Mike

tell me why does he care? he is quitting on them, why does he care what the wolves can get back in return?

either he does't want to get a pie thrown on his face  or he wants to play for another team asap. Please don't keep saying he wants to help the Wolves. Yeah right

Love doesn't want to waste another year of his career but by telling Minny now that he won't resign, he's giving them an opportunity to make a better deal.  I will guarantee you that if LeBron had told the Cavs he was definitely leaving, they would have made or not made a bunch of different moves.

Love is acting in his own interest but, in this case, that's coinciding with the Wolves best interest.

Look at it this way.  Ainge has probably floated an initial offer of Sully, #6 and a future first.  If Ainge gets a center like Asik and Boston becomes a playoff contender with Sully averaging a double-double and Gordon/Vonleh/Smart looking like a future star, is Ainge going to be more or less interested in trading for Love, especially given the chance to sign him as a free agent after the season?

Mike

[colincb]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10949807/kevin-love-tells-minnesota-timberwolves-sign-extension-likes-chicago-bulls-golden-state-warriors

"Kevin Love has made it clear to the Timberwolves that he intends to become an unrestricted free agent after next season and has no interest in a contract extension to stay in Minnesota, according to sources with knowledge of the situation."


Just to separate fantasy from reality.

[Eja117]

The Constitution gives you the right to freedom of speech, but Flip Saunders will be gosh darned if he's gonna give you the right to freedom of emotion.

[Robb]

Since Flip is probably in charge of their marketing he should just change the teams logo to a burning bridge.

[Rondo9]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/10949807/kevin-love-tells-minnesota-timberwolves-sign-extension-likes-chicago-bulls-golden-state-warriors

"Kevin Love has made it clear to the Timberwolves that he intends to become an unrestricted free agent after next season and has no interest in a contract extension to stay in Minnesota, according to sources with knowledge of the situation."


Just to separate fantasy from reality.

No mention of the celtics on potential suitors

[Eja117]

Since Flip is probably in charge of their marketing he should just change the teams logo to a burning bridge.

Five points for Gryffendor.

[317]

wait, in year 3 KG wouldn't have been making much money at all. at least not in salary, he would have been on his rookie contract. he was the #5 pick and made $2,109,120 that year per http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/garneke01.html

the cap that year was $26.9 million meaning he made ~12.75% of the cap. MJ made $33 million that year.