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Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2014, 06:57:54 PM »

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The Bulls can trade Butler, Gibson, Boozer's expiring contract, the rights to Nikola Mirotic, the No. 16 and No. 19 pick in the 2014 NBA Draft and a Top 10 protected pick from the Sacramento Kings between 2015-2017.

There's not a single player/pick in that group that helps you build towards a championship team.  Only role players.  Whereas the C's can offer the #6 and some Brooklyn picks, which could definitely be top lotto picks.  Then Sully/KO vs. Butler/Gibson, etc.. come in to play.  But, the C's have much better assets when it comes to possible franchise changing players.  Hands down.
I think the C's definitely have better assets total to win a bidding war.  The question is, how much are we willing to give up?

Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2014, 08:50:45 PM »

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Sully was in Waltham this week and not a single reporter that he looked more trim and fit--not a good sign.

I dont like hearing this. He needs to do sprints on a daily basis as well as lift weights. No way his body doesnt change if he does this

I wonder what BS will think if Sully shows up out of shape/ no weight lost. Was that not a big request Brad made of Sullinger?

Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2014, 09:44:23 PM »

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The Bulls can trade Butler, Gibson, Boozer's expiring contract, the rights to Nikola Mirotic, the No. 16 and No. 19 pick in the 2014 NBA Draft and a Top 10 protected pick from the Sacramento Kings between 2015-2017.

There's not a single player/pick in that group that helps you build towards a championship team.  Only role players.  Whereas the C's can offer the #6 and some Brooklyn picks, which could definitely be top lotto picks.  Then Sully/KO vs. Butler/Gibson, etc.. come in to play.  But, the C's have much better assets when it comes to possible franchise changing players.  Hands down.
I think the C's definitely have better assets total to win a bidding war.  The question is, how much are we willing to give up?

More assets.  More picks.  Not necessarily any franchise-changing picks, but we have quite a few.

Seems like there is some uncertainty whether either one of Sully or KO could ever be a top-3 option these days, when at one time, both were considered to project as at least 3rd options on a potent team.  That perception could be make or break.

Similar with the value of the #6.  Is there a player there that can be a key piece in a couple of years?

I'm high on both Sully and KO, and in particular both growing and working together on a nice two-man game, plus being able to catch and finish in multiple sets.

And if I could bring in both Sully and KO, plus #6, with cap relief, then either I'm getting three possible franchise pieces and hoping one really pans out, or I'm getting role players.

But if I have both players and the lotto pick, as far as I'm concerned, having watched them closely and with each other, I'm not in a hurry to give up much more than that.

In sending off Al Jefferson, prospect GGreen, and a good pick, we essentially sent off 3 good chances (and if not for Jefferson's injury and Minny's terrible drafting...).  That should seal the current deal.


Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2014, 10:02:37 PM »

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I dont even understand how you can be out of shape playing basketball for a living. The guy is a millionaire, hire a personal trainer and chef to get you on track.

Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2014, 10:38:42 AM »

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I dont even understand how you can be out of shape playing basketball for a living. The guy is a millionaire, hire a personal trainer and chef to get you on track.

  You don't understand how back surgery could interfere with a player's ability to get into better shape? It seems fairly obvious to me. I'd be more worried if he didn't look a little better this year, although he'd have to be as thin as KO to pass the "eye test" he'll be getting from many of the posters.

Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2014, 01:25:39 PM »

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You may be right.  But Chicago can offer much better players and potential.

  Which better players with better potential?
The Bulls can trade Butler, Gibson, Boozer's expiring contract, the rights to Nikola Mirotic, the No. 16 and No. 19 pick in the 2014 NBA Draft and a Top 10 protected pick from the Sacramento Kings between 2015-2017.

People will disagree I am sure but I bet Gibson has more value than Sully or KO.  Mirotic they say is a top 10 talent.  In the end, it probably depends on what they think of Butler.  I don't know enough about him to compare him to KO and Sully, who I already hinted are no better than role players on a good team.

Just based on stats, I would say that Olynyk and Mirotic are a wash, and ditto for Gibson and Sullinger. Gibson hype is based on 2014 playoff performance, which was stellar, but if you look at his body of work, would be hard pressed to say he is a better trading chip than Sully.  Butler is an excellent defender but a poor shooter. Hardly the centerpiece of a major trade.  Boozer is a total salary dump or expiring contract, depending on your POV.  Celts' offering gives much better salary cap space than Bulls'.

Last time I checked, 6th and 17th pick in this year's draft was worth considerably more than the Bulls' 16th and 19th picks.  I mean, c'mon.  The press reports that Bulls offering a much more attractive offer is just a thinly veiled attempt to drive up the price, including what the Celts would offer. Stay firm, Danny. Stay firm.

Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2014, 07:09:11 PM »

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i'm sick of hearing about Mirotic being this great player. he may be some day. but right now he hasn't even played a game in the NBA. right now he's no different than any player in the draft.

Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2014, 07:20:27 PM »

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i'm sick of hearing about Mirotic being this great player. he may be some day. but right now he hasn't even played a game in the NBA. right now he's no different than any player in the draft.

Mirotic is a 6'10 fwd that can shoot the three even with a hand in his face.  How many guys who can do this fail in the nba??   He is not a stiff either and has good mobility, high iq, strong body.

He is not in line to fail or even score 5 ppg. He is going to be a good one. The bulls might be reluctant to get Love bc of this guy plus have to give up Butler and Gibson. It's just too much for a guy that can score but is a mediocre defender

Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2014, 06:58:20 PM »

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i'm sick of hearing about Mirotic being this great player. he may be some day. but right now he hasn't even played a game in the NBA. right now he's no different than any player in the draft.

Mirotic is a 6'10 fwd that can shoot the three even with a hand in his face.  How many guys who can do this fail in the nba??   He is not a stiff either and has good mobility, high iq, strong body.

He is not in line to fail or even score 5 ppg. He is going to be a good one. The bulls might be reluctant to get Love bc of this guy plus have to give up Butler and Gibson. It's just too much for a guy that can score but is a mediocre defender

So how good a defender is Kevin Love versus Kelly Olynyk?

Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2014, 11:39:56 PM »

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In my opinion Sully will turn out to be one of the best power forwards in the league and soon.

i think he is good, but he makes me nervous......overweight, starting to fall in love with the 3 ball.....whats next, a wiggle?!   ;)

the kid is good and he has potential, but he has a way to go and needs to play within himself and not get lazy chucking up 3s


Re: Sully and KO
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2014, 12:10:20 AM »

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i'm sick of hearing about Mirotic being this great player. he may be some day. but right now he hasn't even played a game in the NBA. right now he's no different than any player in the draft.

Mirotic is a 6'10 fwd that can shoot the three even with a hand in his face.  How many guys who can do this fail in the nba??   He is not a stiff either and has good mobility, high iq, strong body.

He is not in line to fail or even score 5 ppg. He is going to be a good one. The bulls might be reluctant to get Love bc of this guy plus have to give up Butler and Gibson. It's just too much for a guy that can score but is a mediocre defender

  How many actual games have you watched that Mirotic played? Did you even know who he was before the Love trade talks? And, honestly, you don't need to watch the nba for too long to understand how many of these players never pan out. You're talking about what rookies will be but you don't have any idea at all how accurate that is. You're talking about players reaching their ceilings like it's a done deal. It's not.