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Re: MacMullan: Love-to-Celtics far from slam dunk
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2014, 09:36:38 PM »

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Yeah sorry, but after seeing Love in Boston and then hearing all these "Love was in Boston for basketball reasons" reports, I refuse to just throw cold water on this whole situation.

Had Love never came to Boston last week, then granted, there would be nothing to talk about.

But the fact not only was he in Boston, but made no intention of hiding the fact he was in Boston tells me there's something there.

I am not saying Love to Boston is a slam dunk, but I also think the chances of it happening are about 70% right now.

And then there's the optimist/dreamer in me that believes it's already a done deal ;)

Again, why else would Love be in Boston last week? For the clam chowder?

And the Flip Saunders/Minnesota team owner part of the story, I feel, is meaningless.

lol. you are such a dreamer my friend.  He can't control where he goes to.   

You think the Wolves GM already heard Danny's offer and has already agreed to a deal?? He would be a stupid GM then. He has to hear what other teams have to offer also, play games to drive up the price

Danny also is cheap, has never overpaid and i doubt will . 

Draft night can't come fast enough.  When we don't get Love i bet there will be a riot in boston or something


it's no dream dude, it's naive of you to think that Love and his agent will not decide where he goes. He simply has to say that he won't re-sign if he is traded to a team that he doesn't like. This is how the NBA works. This is how all of the other star player trades were done. Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard (even though he changed his mind and screwed over the lakers, he originally wanted to go there).

Re: MacMullan: Love-to-Celtics far from slam dunk
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+1.

Well, some people actually want to see the Celtics be a good team. Apparently, you're not one of them.

bc i don't want to get love i don't want to win?  What's next bc i don't want to give max to Melo i don't want to win??

I don't like Love and Melo. I don't like the way they play.

If LMA was pulling what Love was pulling now, i would be all in ,  in trading the 6th etc to grab him. Anthony Davis the same.
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But Aldridge isn't available, Kevin Love is.....

A deal for Kevin Love makes the Celts a better team because there isn't anyone on the team right now that can do what Kevin Love does.

And, I also feel that if the Celts do get Love, there will be another shoe to drop. Boston will be much more appealing to other star players if you've got Rondo and Love already in the fold.

Who knows, maybe even Aldridge considers the Celtics when he hits free agency next summer.

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« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2014, 09:41:46 PM »

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Yeah sorry, but after seeing Love in Boston and then hearing all these "Love was in Boston for basketball reasons" reports, I refuse to just throw cold water on this whole situation.

Had Love never came to Boston last week, then granted, there would be nothing to talk about.

But the fact not only was he in Boston, but made no intention of hiding the fact he was in Boston tells me there's something there.

I am not saying Love to Boston is a slam dunk, but I also think the chances of it happening are about 70% right now.

And then there's the optimist/dreamer in me that believes it's already a done deal ;)

Again, why else would Love be in Boston last week? For the clam chowder?

And the Flip Saunders/Minnesota team owner part of the story, I feel, is meaningless.

lol. you are such a dreamer my friend.  He can't control where he goes to.   

You think the Wolves GM already heard Danny's offer and has already agreed to a deal?? He would be a stupid GM then. He has to hear what other teams have to offer also, play games to drive up the price

Danny also is cheap, has never overpaid and i doubt will . 

Draft night can't come fast enough.  When we don't get Love i bet there will be a riot in boston or something

Maybe I am a dreamer. No doubt I want to see the Celts land Love, badly.  But why else would Kevin Love be in Boston last week? Why else would there be a photograph of him and Rondo talking?

Can you answer that?

Also, I disagree with you on the Danny Ainge part. I have no way of knowing this, but I think Danny would do whatever it took to make this deal happen (and I haven't always agreed with every move Ainge has made, but I think he really wants to make a splash.)  If this deal doesn't materialize, it would be because of Minnesota, not Boston.

What does Rondo meeting Love have to do with anything??   I mean what can Rondo do right now?? Tell him to come? 

I already stated to you, Love has little to no control in all of this.  90 plus percent he is going to guarantee nobody he is going to sign an extension with them after this season is done. He wants to get paid the big dollars and also be able to choose his destination.  Also play for a team that has a chance to win

I can see with your hopes and dreams of wanting Love and him magically last week visiting Boston and the media going crazy but 1) it could be just a vacation 2) he is chekcing out the city to see how it would be like in case he is traded.  I think i was reading he has never visited Boston before. He can travel to San Antonio, Toronto, Miami , its his life.

Re: MacMullan: Love-to-Celtics far from slam dunk
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2014, 09:42:44 PM »

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Well, some people actually want to see the Celtics be a good team. Apparently, you're not one of them.

bc i don't want to get love i don't want to win?  What's next bc i don't want to give max to Melo i don't want to win??

I don't like Love and Melo. I don't like the way they play.

If LMA was pulling what Love was pulling now, i would be all in ,  in trading the 6th etc to grab him. Anthony Davis the same.
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Re: MacMullan: Love-to-Celtics far from slam dunk
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2014, 09:43:52 PM »

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Yeah sorry, but after seeing Love in Boston and then hearing all these "Love was in Boston for basketball reasons" reports, I refuse to just throw cold water on this whole situation.

Had Love never came to Boston last week, then granted, there would be nothing to talk about.

But the fact not only was he in Boston, but made no intention of hiding the fact he was in Boston tells me there's something there.

I am not saying Love to Boston is a slam dunk, but I also think the chances of it happening are about 70% right now.

And then there's the optimist/dreamer in me that believes it's already a done deal ;)

Again, why else would Love be in Boston last week? For the clam chowder?

And the Flip Saunders/Minnesota team owner part of the story, I feel, is meaningless.

lol. you are such a dreamer my friend.  He can't control where he goes to.   

You think the Wolves GM already heard Danny's offer and has already agreed to a deal?? He would be a stupid GM then. He has to hear what other teams have to offer also, play games to drive up the price

Danny also is cheap, has never overpaid and i doubt will . 

Draft night can't come fast enough.  When we don't get Love i bet there will be a riot in boston or something

Maybe I am a dreamer. No doubt I want to see the Celts land Love, badly.  But why else would Kevin Love be in Boston last week? Why else would there be a photograph of him and Rondo talking?

Can you answer that?

Also, I disagree with you on the Danny Ainge part. I have no way of knowing this, but I think Danny would do whatever it took to make this deal happen (and I haven't always agreed with every move Ainge has made, but I think he really wants to make a splash.)  If this deal doesn't materialize, it would be because of Minnesota, not Boston.

What does Rondo meeting Love have to do with anything??   I mean what can Rondo do right now?? Tell him to come? 

I already stated to you, Love has little to no control in all of this. 90 plus percent he is going to guarantee nobody he is going to sign an extension with them after this season is done. He wants to get paid the big dollars and also be able to choose his destination.  Also play for a team that has a chance to win

I can see with your hopes and dreams of wanting Love and him magically last week visiting Boston and the media going crazy but 1) it could be just a vacation 2) he is chekcing out the city to see how it would be like in case he is traded.  I think i was reading he has never visited Boston before. He can travel to San Antonio, Toronto, Miami , its his life.

You are totally wrong on this, as you will see in a month or so. Love has almost total control over where he goes, and can opt in to his option year and/or promise the team that he will re-sign. Agents and star players run the league, it is what it is.

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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2014, 09:48:50 PM »

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Yeah sorry, but after seeing Love in Boston and then hearing all these "Love was in Boston for basketball reasons" reports, I refuse to just throw cold water on this whole situation.

Had Love never came to Boston last week, then granted, there would be nothing to talk about.

But the fact not only was he in Boston, but made no intention of hiding the fact he was in Boston tells me there's something there.

I am not saying Love to Boston is a slam dunk, but I also think the chances of it happening are about 70% right now.

And then there's the optimist/dreamer in me that believes it's already a done deal ;)

Again, why else would Love be in Boston last week? For the clam chowder?

And the Flip Saunders/Minnesota team owner part of the story, I feel, is meaningless.

lol. you are such a dreamer my friend.  He can't control where he goes to.   

You think the Wolves GM already heard Danny's offer and has already agreed to a deal?? He would be a stupid GM then. He has to hear what other teams have to offer also, play games to drive up the price

Danny also is cheap, has never overpaid and i doubt will . 

Draft night can't come fast enough.  When we don't get Love i bet there will be a riot in boston or something


it's no dream dude, it's naive of you to think that Love and his agent will not decide where he goes. He simply has to say that he won't re-sign if he is traded to a team that he doesn't like. This is how the NBA works. This is how all of the other star player trades were done. Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard (even though he changed his mind and screwed over the lakers, he originally wanted to go there).

he won't guarantee he will resign.  He can say he will be interested but he won't guarantee it

He wants everything as a FA i promise you this. If next season the team he is traded to tanks or somebody gets injured, he is prob not going to resign. He has this power

Say if Rondo reinjures himself. Green stinks and we are close to how we were this season. We barely miss the playoffs. You think Love is going to want to stay?  You think his agent is going to advise him to stay?

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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2014, 09:53:26 PM »

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Yeah sorry, but after seeing Love in Boston and then hearing all these "Love was in Boston for basketball reasons" reports, I refuse to just throw cold water on this whole situation.

Had Love never came to Boston last week, then granted, there would be nothing to talk about.

But the fact not only was he in Boston, but made no intention of hiding the fact he was in Boston tells me there's something there.

I am not saying Love to Boston is a slam dunk, but I also think the chances of it happening are about 70% right now.

And then there's the optimist/dreamer in me that believes it's already a done deal ;)

Again, why else would Love be in Boston last week? For the clam chowder?

And the Flip Saunders/Minnesota team owner part of the story, I feel, is meaningless.

lol. you are such a dreamer my friend.  He can't control where he goes to.   

You think the Wolves GM already heard Danny's offer and has already agreed to a deal?? He would be a stupid GM then. He has to hear what other teams have to offer also, play games to drive up the price

Danny also is cheap, has never overpaid and i doubt will . 

Draft night can't come fast enough.  When we don't get Love i bet there will be a riot in boston or something

Maybe I am a dreamer. No doubt I want to see the Celts land Love, badly.  But why else would Kevin Love be in Boston last week? Why else would there be a photograph of him and Rondo talking?

Can you answer that?

Also, I disagree with you on the Danny Ainge part. I have no way of knowing this, but I think Danny would do whatever it took to make this deal happen (and I haven't always agreed with every move Ainge has made, but I think he really wants to make a splash.)  If this deal doesn't materialize, it would be because of Minnesota, not Boston.

What does Rondo meeting Love have to do with anything??   I mean what can Rondo do right now?? Tell him to come? 

I already stated to you, Love has little to no control in all of this. 90 plus percent he is going to guarantee nobody he is going to sign an extension with them after this season is done. He wants to get paid the big dollars and also be able to choose his destination.  Also play for a team that has a chance to win

I can see with your hopes and dreams of wanting Love and him magically last week visiting Boston and the media going crazy but 1) it could be just a vacation 2) he is chekcing out the city to see how it would be like in case he is traded.  I think i was reading he has never visited Boston before. He can travel to San Antonio, Toronto, Miami , its his life.

You are totally wrong on this, as you will see in a month or so. Love has almost total control over where he goes, and can opt in to his option year and/or promise the team that he will re-sign. Agents and star players run the league, it is what it is.

I agree with you . But lets be clear

1) he is not going to opt in. He and his greedy agent want alot of money asap

2) he is not going to guarantee he will resign with any team he is traded to. Unless the team he is traded to goes to the finals or something, he is going to take his time after the season is over, get wooed and go to the team that has the best chance to win it all.

3) He cares about destination and obvioulsy will be a factor but not compared going to a team that has a chance to contend on a yearly basis and have a chance to win it all. Nobody picks a team mainly based on destination

Re: MacMullan: Love-to-Celtics far from slam dunk
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2014, 10:23:33 PM »

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I think this is kind of obvious.

After Love took a suspicious trip to Boston people thought we were guaranteed to get him and then the conversation moved on to how we could get Melo too and Omer Asik was "all but a given".

People need to slow their role a bit and not be surprised when Boston is picking for itself at #6. I know we're all punch-drunk from an awful season but let's not begin to act like some entitled Laker fans.

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I've come to enjoy Jackie Mac's writing because of the insight she provides. I feel like this article lacked that - lots of stating the obvious (at least to the rational crowd who aren't already imagining Kevin Love's jersey retirement ceremony). I would've loved to get more insight into why Love was in Boston but she just kind of rushed past that. A little disappointing.
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Re: MacMullan: Love-to-Celtics far from slam dunk
« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2014, 10:34:19 PM »

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+1.

Well, some people actually want to see the Celtics be a good team. Apparently, you're not one of them.

bc i don't want to get love i don't want to win?  What's next bc i don't want to give max to Melo i don't want to win??

I don't like Love and Melo. I don't like the way they play.

If LMA was pulling what Love was pulling now, i would be all in ,  in trading the 6th etc to grab him. Anthony Davis the same.

You may not like the way they play but numbers don't lie and that is all that matters, not whether you like the way they play.  I don't like the way Lebron plays but there's no doubt he's the best player in the world.  That's because he puts up numbers.

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Re: MacMullan: Love-to-Celtics far from slam dunk
« Reply #40 on: June 04, 2014, 10:36:33 PM »

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Yeah sorry, but after seeing Love in Boston and then hearing all these "Love was in Boston for basketball reasons" reports, I refuse to just throw cold water on this whole situation.

Had Love never came to Boston last week, then granted, there would be nothing to talk about.

But the fact not only was he in Boston, but made no intention of hiding the fact he was in Boston tells me there's something there.

I am not saying Love to Boston is a slam dunk, but I also think the chances of it happening are about 70% right now.

And then there's the optimist/dreamer in me that believes it's already a done deal ;)

Again, why else would Love be in Boston last week? For the clam chowder?

And the Flip Saunders/Minnesota team owner part of the story, I feel, is meaningless.

lol. you are such a dreamer my friend.  He can't control where he goes to.   

You think the Wolves GM already heard Danny's offer and has already agreed to a deal?? He would be a stupid GM then. He has to hear what other teams have to offer also, play games to drive up the price

Danny also is cheap, has never overpaid and i doubt will . 

Draft night can't come fast enough.  When we don't get Love i bet there will be a riot in boston or something


it's no dream dude, it's naive of you to think that Love and his agent will not decide where he goes. He simply has to say that he won't re-sign if he is traded to a team that he doesn't like. This is how the NBA works. This is how all of the other star player trades were done. Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard (even though he changed his mind and screwed over the lakers, he originally wanted to go there).

he won't guarantee he will resign.  He can say he will be interested but he won't guarantee it

He wants everything as a FA i promise you this. If next season the team he is traded to tanks or somebody gets injured, he is prob not going to resign. He has this power

Say if Rondo reinjures himself. Green stinks and we are close to how we were this season. We barely miss the playoffs. You think Love is going to want to stay?  You think his agent is going to advise him to stay?

That's just stating that he has the option to change his mind next summer.  He's human.  As someone already noted, Dwight Howard did this.

But that is irrelevant to whether he has control over what happens THIS summer.

If he makes it cold-hard-fact-clear to some teams that he will NOT sign an extension OR re-up next summer, that will make them pull back or seriously curb their offers.  No GM in his right mind is going to lay out a big offer, mortgaging his franchise' future for a player who states flatly he won't stay there.   That GM would be crucified.

On the other hand, if Love simply tells a team that, while he won't sign an extension this summer, he fully intends to re-up after he hits FA, then that GM can lay out the goods.  Then if Love pulls a Howard, he'll have the cover of painting the player as the villain.

In Boston's case, if Love DID end up 'pulling a Howard' and walking next summer on us, the situation would not be nearly as bad as it was for LA because the timing would coincide with the clearing of most of our contracts anyway so unlike LA, we would not be stuck holding a bunch of contracts for another year.   

Consider the much-discussed "Love for Sully or KO plus picks & filler" and "Asik & Lin for cap space" deals.  If those went through, we'd reach next summer with Asik/Lin/Love/Rondo all expiring (some 46.2M) and only Wallace & Green's player option as major commitments for 2015.   So Danny has quite a bit of a cushion, should Love prove hard to keep on.

Love will likely not be so explicit as to demand he go to one and only one team.  More likely he'll narrow it to a tiny handful and that will shrink the market from which Minnesota will have to choose the best offer.
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Yeah sorry, but after seeing Love in Boston and then hearing all these "Love was in Boston for basketball reasons" reports, I refuse to just throw cold water on this whole situation.

Had Love never came to Boston last week, then granted, there would be nothing to talk about.

But the fact not only was he in Boston, but made no intention of hiding the fact he was in Boston tells me there's something there.

I am not saying Love to Boston is a slam dunk, but I also think the chances of it happening are about 70% right now.

And then there's the optimist/dreamer in me that believes it's already a done deal ;)

Again, why else would Love be in Boston last week? For the clam chowder?

And the Flip Saunders/Minnesota team owner part of the story, I feel, is meaningless.

lol. you are such a dreamer my friend.  He can't control where he goes to.   

You think the Wolves GM already heard Danny's offer and has already agreed to a deal?? He would be a stupid GM then. He has to hear what other teams have to offer also, play games to drive up the price

Danny also is cheap, has never overpaid and i doubt will . 

Draft night can't come fast enough.  When we don't get Love i bet there will be a riot in boston or something


it's no dream dude, it's naive of you to think that Love and his agent will not decide where he goes. He simply has to say that he won't re-sign if he is traded to a team that he doesn't like. This is how the NBA works. This is how all of the other star player trades were done. Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard (even though he changed his mind and screwed over the lakers, he originally wanted to go there).

he won't guarantee he will resign.  He can say he will be interested but he won't guarantee it

He wants everything as a FA i promise you this. If next season the team he is traded to tanks or somebody gets injured, he is prob not going to resign. He has this power

Say if Rondo reinjures himself. Green stinks and we are close to how we were this season. We barely miss the playoffs. You think Love is going to want to stay?  You think his agent is going to advise him to stay?

That's just stating that he has the option to change his mind next summer.  He's human.  As someone already noted, Dwight Howard did this.

But that is irrelevant to whether he has control over what happens THIS summer.

If he makes it cold-hard-fact-clear to some teams that he will NOT sign an extension OR re-up next summer, that will make them pull back or seriously curb their offers.  No GM in his right mind is going to lay out a big offer, mortgaging his franchise' future for a player who states flatly he won't stay there.   That GM would be crucified.

On the other hand, if Love simply tells a team that, while he won't sign an extension this summer, he fully intends to re-up after he hits FA, then that GM can lay out the goods.  Then if Love pulls a Howard, he'll have the cover of painting the player as the villain.

In Boston's case, if Love DID end up 'pulling a Howard' and walking next summer on us, the situation would not be nearly as bad as it was for LA because the timing would coincide with the clearing of most of our contracts anyway so unlike LA, we would not be stuck holding a bunch of contracts for another year.   

Consider the much-discussed "Love for Sully or KO plus picks & filler" and "Asik & Lin for cap space" deals.  If those went through, we'd reach next summer with Asik/Lin/Love/Rondo all expiring (some 46.2M) and only Wallace & Green's player option as major commitments for 2015.   So Danny has quite a bit of a cushion, should Love prove hard to keep on.

Love will likely not be so explicit as to demand he go to one and only one team.  More likely he'll narrow it to a tiny handful and that will shrink the market from which Minnesota will have to choose the best offer.
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I don't know why some people (thesame two or three people) are craving for Sullinger and Olynyk when there is an obvious opportunity here to go for two of the very best players in the league.  That logic is gross and is beyond me.  This is the Celtics.  It's either championship or bust.  No in-betweens.

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No surprise that after a very public weekend in Boston spent by Love, there's now a very public campaign on the part of the Wolves to try to damp down the trade hysteria.

Enjoy the next three weeks, people. Try to keep your heads.
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+1.

Well, some people actually want to see the Celtics be a good team. Apparently, you're not one of them.

bc i don't want to get love i don't want to win?  What's next bc i don't want to give max to Melo i don't want to win??

I don't like Love and Melo. I don't like the way they play.

If LMA was pulling what Love was pulling now, i would be all in ,  in trading the 6th etc to grab him. Anthony Davis the same.

You may not like the way they play but numbers don't lie and that is all that matters, not whether you like the way they play.  I don't like the way Lebron plays but there's no doubt he's the best player in the world because he put up numbers.

it's not just the numbers. Lebron does alot of things that doesn't show up on the stat sheets also.

Love and Melo have the numbers on paper but don't do enough behind the scene to help their team win.

#1 example, Love gives up on a defensive play and instead rushes to the basket to potentially grab the rebound.   

#2 example, Melo has a chance to provide weakside help and take the charge but of course doesn't