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Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #45 on: June 03, 2014, 01:29:12 AM »

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A primary premise of the OP is that the TWolves have all the leverage in determining Love's destination. It's not true.

If Love's agent tells a club's management that he would not re-sign there after his contract is up, most rationale teams will back off. Assume that's a reasonable premise for the moment. Why then would Love consider these two franchises as desirable locations? Why would Love want to go to the Sixers who were the worst team in the NBA at the end of the year? Why would Love want to go to the Cavs who have been the worst managed team in the NBA for years?

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« Reply #46 on: June 03, 2014, 07:10:14 AM »

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A primary premise of the OP is that the TWolves have all the leverage in determining Love's destination. It's not true.

If Love's agent tells a club's management that he would not re-sign there after his contract is up, most rationale teams will back off. Assume that's a reasonable premise for the moment. Why then would Love consider these two franchises as desirable locations? Why would Love want to go to the Sixers who were the worst team in the NBA at the end of the year? Why would Love want to go to the Cavs who have been the worst managed team in the NBA for years?

And how did we do last season?
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Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #47 on: June 03, 2014, 09:42:57 AM »

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A primary premise of the OP is that the TWolves have all the leverage in determining Love's destination. It's not true.

If Love's agent tells a club's management that he would not re-sign there after his contract is up, most rationale teams will back off. Assume that's a reasonable premise for the moment. Why then would Love consider these two franchises as desirable locations? Why would Love want to go to the Sixers who were the worst team in the NBA at the end of the year? Why would Love want to go to the Cavs who have been the worst managed team in the NBA for years?

And how did we do last season?
Philadelphia wasn't tanking. They were one of the worst teams in the history of the NBA. Record-tying losing streak and they were mostly blowouts. None of those last minute losses we piled up with suspicious regularity.

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Cavs, OTOH should have been in the playoffs, but were and are a complete mess from the floor to the owner. Witness:

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2014/02/06/cavs-mired-in-self-made-mess/

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24427061/report-the-cavaliers-are-a-flaming-mess


Or this interview with Brian Windhorst, former Cavs beatwriter and resident ESPN expert about LBJ:

http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=25410

"The truth is [Kyrie?s] camp has been putting out there for years ? years ? that he doesn?t want to be in Cleveland. That they don?t want him in Cleveland. He doesn?t like Mike Brown. He didn?t like Chris Grant. He doesn?t like Dion Waiters. He?s already gotten a General Manager fired. He might get Mike Brown fired. This is the last time ? once he signs he loses all of his leverage ? so this is the last time he gets to enact leverage. I know he?s said all the right things so, fine, on July 1, when they offer a max contract ? which they will ? and I don?t even know if he?s a max player, but you have to sign him ? sign a five year, no out. That?s what a max contract is. A max contract is five years, no out. If you want out or you want three years, that?s not a max contract. You want three years? Okay, we?ll give you $12 million a year. We?re not giving you the full thing.

I?m just giving you my feel right now and my feel is that he?s not crazy about [signing the full max extension] unless he gets everything checked off across the board.

And the other thing is: if the Cavs ever dream of having LeBron, it?s not going to be with Kyrie there. LeBron and Kyrie have drifted apart in the last few years, even to the point that if the Cavs wanted to get LeBron they would maybe trade Kyrie for someone who would fit better with LeBron. And I?m not making that up. That line of thinking was not originated by me. That?s just the truth."


Now we're hearing that the Cavs may not offer Irving a max contract.  Still looking for a coach too after the players got Mike Brown fired. Again.

Real stable operation, eh?

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We already know that the Celtics are on Love's radar.  Make a simple case for Love's interest in being on the worst team in the NBA or on the biggest cluster-mess in the NBA. Love doesn't have a say in the matter has been your answer to date, but no one believes that but you and Flip Saunders.
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Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #48 on: June 03, 2014, 09:49:15 AM »

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A primary premise of the OP is that the TWolves have all the leverage in determining Love's destination. It's not true.

If Love's agent tells a club's management that he would not re-sign there after his contract is up, most rationale teams will back off. Assume that's a reasonable premise for the moment. Why then would Love consider these two franchises as desirable locations? Why would Love want to go to the Sixers who were the worst team in the NBA at the end of the year? Why would Love want to go to the Cavs who have been the worst managed team in the NBA for years?

And how did we do last season?

  If you're implying that Love has no interest in coming here you're basically living in denial.

Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #49 on: June 03, 2014, 09:51:09 AM »

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A primary premise of the OP is that the TWolves have all the leverage in determining Love's destination. It's not true.

If Love's agent tells a club's management that he would not re-sign there after his contract is up, most rationale teams will back off. Assume that's a reasonable premise for the moment. Why then would Love consider these two franchises as desirable locations? Why would Love want to go to the Sixers who were the worst team in the NBA at the end of the year? Why would Love want to go to the Cavs who have been the worst managed team in the NBA for years?

And how did we do last season?
Philadelphia wasn't tanking. They were one of the worst teams in the history of the NBA. Record-tying losing streak and they were mostly blowouts. None of those last minute losses we piled up with suspicious regularity.


  Philly was absolutely tanking.

Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #50 on: June 03, 2014, 10:03:22 AM »

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A primary premise of the OP is that the TWolves have all the leverage in determining Love's destination. It's not true.

If Love's agent tells a club's management that he would not re-sign there after his contract is up, most rationale teams will back off. Assume that's a reasonable premise for the moment. Why then would Love consider these two franchises as desirable locations? Why would Love want to go to the Sixers who were the worst team in the NBA at the end of the year? Why would Love want to go to the Cavs who have been the worst managed team in the NBA for years?

And how did we do last season?
Philadelphia wasn't tanking. They were one of the worst teams in the history of the NBA. Record-tying losing streak and they were mostly blowouts. None of those last minute losses we piled up with suspicious regularity.


  Philly was absolutely tanking.

Yea, Phili was textbook, blatant tanking. Tanking is not players actively blowing games down the stretch, tanking is management making sure the roster doesn't have the talent to win games, and if there are a few talented players, you sit them for prolonged periods of time with injuries (Nerlens Noel).

Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #51 on: June 03, 2014, 10:32:03 AM »

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Philly have a nice looking young team.   With love and some tweaks they are playoff bound

Love cares number 1 to make the playoffs. Doesnt matter where (outside of minny).  Number 2 he has a pref of teams he would like to play for

But if he makes the playoffs , likes the team and direction they going it wont be a surprise he signs an extension or at least opts in for one more season imo

Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #52 on: June 03, 2014, 10:46:07 AM »

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A primary premise of the OP is that the TWolves have all the leverage in determining Love's destination. It's not true.

If Love's agent tells a club's management that he would not re-sign there after his contract is up, most rationale teams will back off. Assume that's a reasonable premise for the moment. Why then would Love consider these two franchises as desirable locations? Why would Love want to go to the Sixers who were the worst team in the NBA at the end of the year? Why would Love want to go to the Cavs who have been the worst managed team in the NBA for years?

And how did we do last season?
Philadelphia wasn't tanking. They were one of the worst teams in the history of the NBA. Record-tying losing streak and they were mostly blowouts. None of those last minute losses we piled up with suspicious regularity.


  Philly was absolutely tanking.

Yea, Phili was textbook, blatant tanking. Tanking is not players actively blowing games down the stretch, tanking is management making sure the roster doesn't have the talent to win games, and if there are a few talented players, you sit them for prolonged periods of time with injuries (Nerlens Noel).
I admit my error.  However, other teams were actively tanking on the bench and floor. I certainly believe we were, and ORL (especially) and Bucks too. Didn't see enough of UTA. Philadelphia was beyond bad.  They didn't have to tank on the floor because they didn't have a team on the floor. That was my point, but I stated it poorly.

Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #53 on: June 03, 2014, 10:51:02 AM »

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Philly have a nice looking young team.   With love and some tweaks they are playoff bound

Love cares number 1 to make the playoffs. Doesnt matter where (outside of minny).  Number 2 he has a pref of teams he would like to play for

But if he makes the playoffs , likes the team and direction they going it wont be a surprise he signs an extension or at least opts in for one more season imo


LOL, not even close! Phili was the worst team talent wise in the league by far, possibly one of the worst in league history. They have a long, long way to go before the are even considered decent. Love would avoid that team like the ebola virus.

Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #54 on: June 03, 2014, 10:51:39 AM »

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A primary premise of the OP is that the TWolves have all the leverage in determining Love's destination. It's not true.

If Love's agent tells a club's management that he would not re-sign there after his contract is up, most rationale teams will back off. Assume that's a reasonable premise for the moment. Why then would Love consider these two franchises as desirable locations? Why would Love want to go to the Sixers who were the worst team in the NBA at the end of the year? Why would Love want to go to the Cavs who have been the worst managed team in the NBA for years?

And how did we do last season?
Philadelphia wasn't tanking. They were one of the worst teams in the history of the NBA. Record-tying losing streak and they were mostly blowouts. None of those last minute losses we piled up with suspicious regularity.


  Philly was absolutely tanking.

Yea, Phili was textbook, blatant tanking. Tanking is not players actively blowing games down the stretch, tanking is management making sure the roster doesn't have the talent to win games, and if there are a few talented players, you sit them for prolonged periods of time with injuries (Nerlens Noel).
I admit my error.  However, other teams were actively tanking on the bench and floor. I certainly believe we were, and ORL (especially) and Bucks too. Didn't see enough of UTA. Philadelphia was beyond bad.  They didn't have to tank on the floor because they didn't have a team on the floor. That was my point, but I stated it poorly.

good point, I agree

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« Reply #55 on: June 03, 2014, 10:52:53 AM »

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Philly have a nice looking young team.   With love and some tweaks they are playoff bound

Love cares number 1 to make the playoffs. Doesnt matter where (outside of minny).  Number 2 he has a pref of teams he would like to play for

But if he makes the playoffs , likes the team and direction they going it wont be a surprise he signs an extension or at least opts in for one more season imo

  They'd basically be Love and a couple of young kids. I also think that "Doesnt matter where (outside of minny)" is somewhat wishful thinking on your part.

Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #56 on: June 03, 2014, 10:58:20 AM »

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There is about a 10% chance that either the Cavs or 76ers gives up their top 3 picks for one year of Kevin Love.

Probably less.

The 76ers are a good organization and they're going down the rebuild path. They aren't going for Love. They're taking a flyer on their young guys developing.

Who in their right mind would trade Joel Embid or Jabari Parker, locked up for 6 years for 1 year of Love and risk him walking away.

The Cavs are horrible as Luol Deng stated earlier this year. They stink. They're improving but unfortunately their owner gets too involved with all the GM's they've had and can't help himself- he will not, absolutely not, risk giving up Embid for Kevin Love as a one year rental- we're talking about two prospects who are the closest things to Tim Duncan and Paul Pierce in the last 10 years other than Anthony Davis and Durant.

How people can't see this is beyond me and it's almost trolling to suggest it as a serious threat to the Celtics/Lakers/Golden State's hopes. It really is lol.

Troll lol lol lol.



"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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« Reply #57 on: June 03, 2014, 10:59:55 AM »

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Philly have a nice looking young team.   With love and some tweaks they are playoff bound

Love cares number 1 to make the playoffs. Doesnt matter where (outside of minny).  Number 2 he has a pref of teams he would like to play for

But if he makes the playoffs , likes the team and direction they going it wont be a surprise he signs an extension or at least opts in for one more season imo

  They'd basically be Love and a couple of young kids. I also think that "Doesnt matter where (outside of minny)" is somewhat wishful thinking on your part.


Which situation would he prefer for next season if he had a choice. Make the playoffs on the bucks or be last place with the lakers  as an example?

We dont know how he will react/ do if the next team he is on makes the playoffs.

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« Reply #58 on: June 03, 2014, 11:17:21 AM »

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It would take Magic , MJ and Larry Bird on the Cav for me to want to live there and I don't think I stay at that.if I were a Star player.

Re: Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love
« Reply #59 on: June 03, 2014, 11:32:37 AM »

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Philly have a nice looking young team.   With love and some tweaks they are playoff bound

Love cares number 1 to make the playoffs. Doesnt matter where (outside of minny).  Number 2 he has a pref of teams he would like to play for

But if he makes the playoffs , likes the team and direction they going it wont be a surprise he signs an extension or at least opts in for one more season imo
The Sixers entered the season with people wondering whether they would be one of the all time worst teams in history:

NBA Preview: Will the Philadelphia 76ers Be the Worst Team Ever?
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba-preview-philadelphia-76ers-worst-team-ever-182900293--nba.html

Then Hinkie proceeded to dismantle that powerhouse at the trade deadline by getting rid of Turner and Hawes to chase down the Bucks. They ended up tying the longest losing streak in NBA history. Worst team in NBA history is generally accorded to the 72-73 Sixers who had a Simple Rating System score of -11.51 according to Basketball-reference.com. The 2013-14 Sixers had an SRS score of -10.66.

We're going to have to agree to disagree. You see a nice young team. I see a dungpile.