Cavs vs 76rs vs Celtics offer for Love

[Tr1boy]

Rumors going around that the Cavs, 76ers and obviously the Celtics will make offers for Love. Other teams are also rumored to be involved but if the Wolves want a high pick(s) plus a nice young player(s) , i think us plus the 76ers or Cavs have the best chances

1)http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/05/kevin_love_rumors_sixers_will_call_about_love_says_espns_zach_lowe.html

proposal (principal pieces)

To 76ers: Love
To Wolves: 2014 3rd and 10th picks, Thad Young , Richardson


2) Cavs wanted to trade for Love last season, but the Wolves rejected their offer

Proposal - predcition

To Cavs: Love
To Wolves: 2014 1st and 33rd picks, Dion Waiters, Alonzo Gee and Thompson or Bennett

3) Celtics management have made numerous hints they will make an offer for Love

To Celtics: Love, Martin
To Wolves: 2014 6th pick, 17th pick,  Sullinger,  Wallace, Bass, Bogans and a choice of 2015, 2017 highest 1st pick (unprotected)


If the 76ers stay with the 3rd pick, they will get either Parker or Wiggins. But also won't be a playoff calibre team until two seasons from now at the very fastest. They can afford to trade both of these picks to get someone like Love as they have like 5 other picks in this years draft. With all of their 2nd picks, they could easily get a lotto pick still or two 1st picks.

The Cavs can see their win in the lotto as the chance to get Love.  They were going to pick 9 and got lucky instead.  Instead of picking another 1st that won't likely help them get anywhere anytime soon, also frustrating Irving in the process, they could get Love and be a top 5 team out of the east.   

I see the Celts offer being the weakest if the above two teams get involved. If you were the Wolves would you seriously take the 6th pick plus a future 1st (that could end up being low ) vs a top 3 pick in this years draft for Love??   

[Smutzy#9]

No way id give the #1 pick for love in this draft anything in the top 3 i would probably keep. I would just draft and then if he doesnt get traded then have a  go at him in free agency. either him or lebron again.

[Roy H.]

If you were the Wolves would you seriously take the 6th pick plus a future 1st (that could end up being low ) vs a top 3 pick in this years draft for Love??   

No.

[coco]

This is a great post.

TP for being realistic and the needed dose of common sense.

Sometimes we forget that there are 29 other teams, where at least a quarter of those teams can also make a play for KLove, with offers just as competitive as the Cs offer....if not better.

Personally, I don't think we have a realistic shot at KLove.  Not to mention, I can't see why KLove would sign an extension with a depleted Cs team after such trade....I wouldn't.

[notthebowler]

Rumors going around that the Cavs, 76ers and obviously the Celtics will make offers for Love. Other teams are also rumored to be involved but if the Wolves want a high pick(s) plus a nice young player(s) , i think us plus the 76ers or Cavs have the best chances

1)http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/05/kevin_love_rumors_sixers_will_call_about_love_says_espns_zach_lowe.html

proposal (principal pieces)

To 76ers: Love
To Wolves: 2014 3rd and 10th picks, Thad Young , Richardson


2) Cavs wanted to trade for Love last season, but the Wolves rejected their offer

Proposal - predcition

To Cavs: Love
To Wolves: 2014 1st and 33rd picks, Dion Waiters, Alonzo Gee and Thompson or Bennett

3) Celtics management have made numerous hints they will make an offer for Love

To Celtics: Love, Martin
To Wolves: 2014 6th pick, 17th pick,  Sullinger,  Wallace, Bass, Bogans and a choice of 2015, 2017 highest 1st pick (unprotected)


If the 76ers stay with the 3rd pick, they will get either Parker or Wiggins. But also won't be a playoff calibre team until two seasons from now at the very fastest. They can afford to trade both of these picks to get someone like Love as they have like 5 other picks in this years draft. With all of their 2nd picks, they could easily get a lotto pick still or two 1st picks.

The Cavs can see their win in the lotto as the chance to get Love.  They were going to pick 9 and got lucky instead.  Instead of picking another 1st that won't likely help them get anywhere anytime soon, also frustrating Irving in the process, they could get Love and be a top 5 team out of the east.   

I see the Celts offer being the weakest if the above two teams get involved. If you were the Wolves would you seriously take the 6th pick plus a future 1st (that could end up being low ) vs a top 3 pick in this years draft for Love??

I don't think it's that simple, luckily for us.  Because I do agree with your prioritizing of the available assets.    I can not imagine any scenario where Love would agree to sign an extension in Cleveland.  None.  So would the Cavs make the above trade without an extension?  I just don't see it.

I think a Philly extension is slightly more likely than Cleveland, but if I had to bet, my money is on him declining an extension in Philly.  I don't expect the Sixers to make that trade without an extension either.

Then you have Boston.  The least attractive of the 3 offers (presuming those are the exact offers), but word has leaked that Love would be willing to extend in Boston.  That makes all of the difference in the world.  Even if we presume Love refuses an extension for ANYONE and is determined to hit free agency, there are also reports that Ainge would take the chance on acquiring Love without an extension. 

If that is the case, then comparing these offers becomes like comparing apples and oranges.  Without an extension, the Celtics offer could conceivably be the ONLY offer the Wolves receive.

Clearly, things could change at any time.  Love could surprise me and agree to an extension in Cleveland because he wants to play with Irving.  But as things stand right now, I'm optimistic about our chances to land him.

[Tr1boy]

No way id give the #1 pick for love in this draft anything in the top 3 i would probably keep. I would just draft and then if he doesnt get traded then have a  go at him in free agency. either him or lebron again.

that's you. But for the Cavs they weren't even suppose to win the lotto.  Plus like Danny said there is no lebron or durant in this years draft.  They might rather want Love

Otherwise, they could still offer everything under the sun not involving Irving and #1 pick.

To Wolves: Bennett, Thompson, Waiters, 2014 33rd pick, 2016 1st
To Cavs: Love

This still looks like a better deal for Love than what the Celts could offer. You get a pretty good young PF, 2 blue chip prospects in Bennett and Waiters plus some picks.  However if the 76ers offer was on the table, i would take this offer then instead

The 76ers offer with the  3rd and 10th picks would be a home run offer.  In a way even better than the Cavs 1st pick offer

[Rondo9]

Yeah I agree with the above, I think you're underestimating the Celtics assets.

[Tr1boy]

Rumors going around that the Cavs, 76ers and obviously the Celtics will make offers for Love. Other teams are also rumored to be involved but if the Wolves want a high pick(s) plus a nice young player(s) , i think us plus the 76ers or Cavs have the best chances

1)http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/05/kevin_love_rumors_sixers_will_call_about_love_says_espns_zach_lowe.html

proposal (principal pieces)

To 76ers: Love
To Wolves: 2014 3rd and 10th picks, Thad Young , Richardson


2) Cavs wanted to trade for Love last season, but the Wolves rejected their offer

Proposal - predcition

To Cavs: Love
To Wolves: 2014 1st and 33rd picks, Dion Waiters, Alonzo Gee and Thompson or Bennett

3) Celtics management have made numerous hints they will make an offer for Love

To Celtics: Love, Martin
To Wolves: 2014 6th pick, 17th pick,  Sullinger,  Wallace, Bass, Bogans and a choice of 2015, 2017 highest 1st pick (unprotected)


If the 76ers stay with the 3rd pick, they will get either Parker or Wiggins. But also won't be a playoff calibre team until two seasons from now at the very fastest. They can afford to trade both of these picks to get someone like Love as they have like 5 other picks in this years draft. With all of their 2nd picks, they could easily get a lotto pick still or two 1st picks.

The Cavs can see their win in the lotto as the chance to get Love.  They were going to pick 9 and got lucky instead.  Instead of picking another 1st that won't likely help them get anywhere anytime soon, also frustrating Irving in the process, they could get Love and be a top 5 team out of the east.   

I see the Celts offer being the weakest if the above two teams get involved. If you were the Wolves would you seriously take the 6th pick plus a future 1st (that could end up being low ) vs a top 3 pick in this years draft for Love??

I don't think it's that simple, luckily for us.  Because I do agree with your prioritizing of the available assets.    I can not imagine any scenario where Love would agree to sign an extension in Cleveland.  None.  So would the Cavs make the above trade without an extension?  I just don't see it.

I think a Philly extension is slightly more likely than Cleveland, but if I had to bet, my money is on him declining an extension in Philly.  I don't expect the Sixers to make that trade without an extension either.

Then you have Boston.  The least attractive of the 3 offers (presuming those are the exact offers), but word has leaked that Love would be willing to extend in Boston.  That makes all of the difference in the world.  Even if we presume Love refuses an extension for ANYONE and is determined to hit free agency, there are also reports that Ainge would take the chance on acquiring Love without an extension. 

If that is the case, then comparing these offers becomes like comparing apples and oranges.  Without an extension, the Celtics offer could conceivably be the ONLY offer the Wolves receive.

Clearly, things could change at any time.  Love could surprise me and agree to an extension in Cleveland because he wants to play with Irving.  But as things stand right now, I'm very optimistic about our chances to land him.

The Celts have said extension or not they are not scared to offer their assets to get someone like Love.

Do you think both the Cavs or the 76ers are also scared?  Cavs maybe but the 76ers have so many picks like us, they are probably willing to take the risk. Without an extension they prob don't give up the 10th pick in addition, but they can easily give up the 3rd , 32, 39, 47 picks.  Yo know what , they will prob still give up the 10th bc with all of these 2nd round picks, they can make it into another near lotto 1st pick if they wanted to.

[Tr1boy]

Yeah I agree with the above, I think you're underestimating the Celtics assets.

i'm not but there is nothing you can do when a few other teams can better your offer.  The Wolves will choose the best return they can get, not what the Celts feed them. They couldn't care less if Love signs or will sign an extension either.  If the Celts are not scared to give up assets extension or not, the 76ers won't be either imo

[footey]

Rumors going around that the Cavs, 76ers and obviously the Celtics will make offers for Love. Other teams are also rumored to be involved but if the Wolves want a high pick(s) plus a nice young player(s) , i think us plus the 76ers or Cavs have the best chances

1)http://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/05/kevin_love_rumors_sixers_will_call_about_love_says_espns_zach_lowe.html

proposal (principal pieces)

To 76ers: Love
To Wolves: 2014 3rd and 10th picks, Thad Young , Richardson


2) Cavs wanted to trade for Love last season, but the Wolves rejected their offer

Proposal - predcition

To Cavs: Love
To Wolves: 2014 1st and 33rd picks, Dion Waiters, Alonzo Gee and Thompson or Bennett

3) Celtics management have made numerous hints they will make an offer for Love

To Celtics: Love, Martin
To Wolves: 2014 6th pick, 17th pick,  Sullinger,  Wallace, Bass, Bogans and a choice of 2015, 2017 highest 1st pick (unprotected)


If the 76ers stay with the 3rd pick, they will get either Parker or Wiggins. But also won't be a playoff calibre team until two seasons from now at the very fastest. They can afford to trade both of these picks to get someone like Love as they have like 5 other picks in this years draft. With all of their 2nd picks, they could easily get a lotto pick still or two 1st picks.

The Cavs can see their win in the lotto as the chance to get Love.  They were going to pick 9 and got lucky instead.  Instead of picking another 1st that won't likely help them get anywhere anytime soon, also frustrating Irving in the process, they could get Love and be a top 5 team out of the east.   

I see the Celts offer being the weakest if the above two teams get involved. If you were the Wolves would you seriously take the 6th pick plus a future 1st (that could end up being low ) vs a top 3 pick in this years draft for Love??

I don't think it's that simple, luckily for us.  Because I do agree with your prioritizing of the available assets.    I can not imagine any scenario where Love would agree to sign an extension in Cleveland.  None.  So would the Cavs make the above trade without an extension?  I just don't see it.

I think a Philly extension is slightly more likely than Cleveland, but if I had to bet, my money is on him declining an extension in Philly.  I don't expect the Sixers to make that trade without an extension either.

Then you have Boston.  The least attractive of the 3 offers (presuming those are the exact offers), but word has leaked that Love would be willing to extend in Boston.  That makes all of the difference in the world.  Even if we presume Love refuses an extension for ANYONE and is determined to hit free agency, there are also reports that Ainge would take the chance on acquiring Love without an extension. 

If that is the case, then comparing these offers becomes like comparing apples and oranges.  Without an extension, the Celtics offer could conceivably be the ONLY offer the Wolves receive.

Clearly, things could change at any time.  Love could surprise me and agree to an extension in Cleveland because he wants to play with Irving.  But as things stand right now, I'm very optimistic about our chances to land him.

The Celts have said extension or not they are not scared to offer their assets to get someone like Love.

Do you think both the Cavs or the 76ers are also scared?  Cavs maybe but the 76ers have so many picks like us, they are probably willing to take the risk. Without an extension they prob don't give up the 10th pick in addition, but they can easily give up the 3rd , 32, 39, 47 picks.  Yo know what , they will prob still give up the 10th bc with all of these 2nd round picks, they can make it into another near lotto 1st pick if they wanted to.

But the Sixers lack a top vet PG like Rondo to team up with Love, which makes them much less appealing to him, and less likely he would extend, and therefore less likely they would be to offer that rich a package.   They would offer the 10th pick and a bunch of future 1sts, but don't see them putting the 3rd round pick on the table.

[notthebowler]

The Celts have said extension or not they are not scared to offer their assets to get someone like Love.

Do you think both the Cavs or the 76ers are also scared?  Cavs maybe but the 76ers have so many picks like us, they are probably willing to take the risk. Without an extension they prob don't give up the 10th pick in addition, but they can easily give up the 3rd , 32, 39, 47 picks.  Yo know what , they will prob still give up the 10th bc with all of these 2nd round picks, they can make it into another near lotto 1st pick if they wanted to.

I have to think the Cavs are realistic enough to know that acquiring Love is a 1 year rental, in exchange for giving up the #1 pick.  Love isn't extending there, Cavs aren't making the trade without an extension.  A Cavs-Wolves deal in my mind is about as close to impossible as you can get.

You make a good point on Philly, triboy.  Personally, I would be surprised if they made the trade without an extension.  But I certainly see your points in favor of it.  It would definitely surprise me, but I've been surprised before, and I'm sure I will be again, haha.

[bknova]

The Celts have said extension or not they are not scared to offer their assets to get someone like Love.

Do you think both the Cavs or the 76ers are also scared?  Cavs maybe but the 76ers have so many picks like us, they are probably willing to take the risk. Without an extension they prob don't give up the 10th pick in addition, but they can easily give up the 3rd , 32, 39, 47 picks.  Yo know what , they will prob still give up the 10th bc with all of these 2nd round picks, they can make it into another near lotto 1st pick if they wanted to.

I have to think the Cavs are realistic enough to know that acquiring Love is a 1 year rental, in exchange for giving up the #1 pick.  Love isn't extending there, Cavs aren't making the trade without an extension.  A Cavs-Wolves deal in my mind is about as close to impossible as you can get.

You make a good point on Philly, triboy.  Personally, I would be surprised if they made the trade without an extension.  But I certainly see your points in favor of it.  It would definitely surprise me, but I've been surprised before, and I'm sure I will be again, haha.

If you're the Cavs you absolutely make the deal.  Not a single one of these prospects are can't miss.  If you don't bring in a vet to play with Kyrie in this pathetic Eastern Conference and make a deep playoff run, you increase the risk of losing Kyrie.  At least if you give it a shot, you might retain both and actually have a shot in the coming years.  Not taking a chance on pairing Kyrie and Love (who both know each other and shot the Uncle Drew spot together) gets them mired in mediocrity for a very very long time.  There is some serious underrating of unproven talent going on here.

[Tr1boy]

FOOTEY: The 76ers have MCW. He is considered as one of the brightest young pg's in the league.  I don't think Love cares who he plays with as long as they are good.

notthebowler: I wouldn't be surprised either. The 76ers already have two important positions covered for the future (MCW, Noel) and instead of adding a third youngster, they could instead use someone like Love to accelerate the youth development.   With Love and another couple of key vet, the 76ers could go from the basement to make 8th or 7th place or better.   

The Celts won't be the only team after Love and there is a good chance won't have the best offer for him either.  Especially if a team doesn't care about extension. The reality is also, without an extension or if you know for sure he won't resign mid season, you could still trade him at the trade deadline worse case (still get a load back in return)

[TheFlex]

You leave out one crucial point: Boston is the only suitor that's willing to give up the pieces you mention (no guarantee CLE and PHI are willing to give up lotto picks), and the only team we know of besides the Lakers that would make a competitive offer for Love without an extension in place.

[notthebowler]

The Celts have said extension or not they are not scared to offer their assets to get someone like Love.

Do you think both the Cavs or the 76ers are also scared?  Cavs maybe but the 76ers have so many picks like us, they are probably willing to take the risk. Without an extension they prob don't give up the 10th pick in addition, but they can easily give up the 3rd , 32, 39, 47 picks.  Yo know what , they will prob still give up the 10th bc with all of these 2nd round picks, they can make it into another near lotto 1st pick if they wanted to.

I have to think the Cavs are realistic enough to know that acquiring Love is a 1 year rental, in exchange for giving up the #1 pick.  Love isn't extending there, Cavs aren't making the trade without an extension.  A Cavs-Wolves deal in my mind is about as close to impossible as you can get.

You make a good point on Philly, triboy.  Personally, I would be surprised if they made the trade without an extension.  But I certainly see your points in favor of it.  It would definitely surprise me, but I've been surprised before, and I'm sure I will be again, haha.

If you're the Cavs you absolutely make the deal.  Not a single one of these prospects are can't miss.  If you don't bring in a vet to play with Kyrie in this pathetic Eastern Conference and make a deep playoff run, you increase the risk of losing Kyrie.  At least if you give it a shot, you might retain both and actually have a shot in the coming years.  Not taking a chance on pairing Kyrie and Love (who both know each other and shot the Uncle Drew spot together) gets them mired in mediocrity for a very very long time.  There is some serious underrating of unproven talent going on here.

Maybe they do make the deal, but that will absolutely kill that franchise.  Love will leave, which would be the final straw in Kyrie leaving.  I understand Love and Irving know each other from filming commercials, but if they play a season together in Cleveland they are more likely to conspire to leave together than they are to both extend there.  It's arguably the worst run franchose in the NBA in arguably the worst city in the NBA.

The odds of Cleveland making that trade and having it work for them are incredibly long.  I would compare it to the odds of the same team getting the first pick in the lottery 3 out of four...oh, never mind.