Kevin Love per Wojnarowski

[fairweatherfan]

Gross.

I know right, why would the celtics trade for an allstar? I wish we could just fill our team with phil presseys and Gerald Wallaces. 

So, we're still not better than OKC or Miami after a Love trade. The regular season may be more entertaining, but ultimately that's all it would be. ECF exit (or possibly even 2nd round) isn't really good enough in my book.

If you get All-Star players on your team, it makes it an attractive destination for more all-star players to come in the future, or even aging veteran all-stars chasing that elusive championship.

Id rather watch a team that wins in the mean time aswell, not some sucking tankfest. As much as i love watching the bruins it would be nice to watch a winning celtics aswell.

Unless those other all-stars are Paul George, Durant or LeBron, it doesn't matter. Still not a contender. Also, what cap space do we have to get these illusive all stars? Come on now.

I tend to agree - getting Love is not quite an "all-in" move but it makes it very difficult to get another All-Star caliber guy, unless we know there's one available for whatever assets we have left.  And I don't think Love can realistically be a #1 guy on a contender unless there's a pretty sick supporting cast around him.

You never know what deals are being discussed but Love seems to narrow our options severely without bringing us close enough to a ring to make up for it. 

[sofutomygaha]

Theorem:

No trade is worth making unless it brings in a player who is capable of single-handedly vanquishing all foes.

[BleedGreen1989]

Theorem:

No trade is worth making unless it brings in a player who is capable of single-handedly vanquishing all foes.

Lol pretty much.

Drives me crazy reading it all.

[MBunge]

Gross.

I know right, why would the celtics trade for an allstar? I wish we could just fill our team with phil presseys and Gerald Wallaces. 

So, we're still not better than OKC or Miami after a Love trade. The regular season may be more entertaining, but ultimately that's all it would be. ECF exit (or possibly even 2nd round) isn't really good enough in my book.

If you get All-Star players on your team, it makes it an attractive destination for more all-star players to come in the future, or even aging veteran all-stars chasing that elusive championship.

Id rather watch a team that wins in the mean time aswell, not some sucking tankfest. As much as i love watching the bruins it would be nice to watch a winning celtics aswell.

Unless those other all-stars are Paul George, Durant or LeBron, it doesn't matter. Still not a contender. Also, what cap space do we have to get these illusive all stars? Come on now.

If Paul George and Love switched places, does that put the Twolves in the playoffs and Indy out of them?

I can understand not wanting Love.  I'm not a huge fan of picking him up unless it leads to getting someone even better, like Melo.  This paralysis by analysis needs to stop, however.  The idea that you shouldn't get a player as good as Love because doing so might somehow hinder your ability to make some theoretical move for some undetermined player at some unknown point in the future is silly, especially when it might be entirely up to said player as to whether he even wants to come to Boston.

With Wallace, Green, Bass, Joel Anthony and Sully, Boston has 32 million dollars to trade without even doing a sign and trade with somebody like Hump or Bogans.  We've also got enough 1st round picks to get teams to swallow those contracts.  Boston can't give two guys max money but Ainge can certainly make a pretty good offer if he can argue that Boston is going to be a real contender.  And then we've got the trade exemption in addition to that.

Honestly, if Boston gets a top three pick tonight I'm not sure I wouldn't rather keep it and then trade Rondo to get another lottery pick this year rather than go after Love, Melo, etc.  But if Boston could pair Rondo and Bradley with Asik, Love and Melo, with KO, Bayless and potentially Paul Pierce coming off the bench...it's gonna be hard to put together a more talented team than that no matter how many picks and how much cap room you've got.

Mike 

[D.o.s.]

IMO Rondo wouldn't net the kind of lottery pick I'd be interested in trading for him, Mike.

[aingeforthree]

Gross.

I know right, why would the celtics trade for an allstar? I wish we could just fill our team with phil presseys and Gerald Wallaces. 

So, we're still not better than OKC or Miami after a Love trade. The regular season may be more entertaining, but ultimately that's all it would be. ECF exit (or possibly even 2nd round) isn't really good enough in my book.

If you get All-Star players on your team, it makes it an attractive destination for more all-star players to come in the future, or even aging veteran all-stars chasing that elusive championship.

Id rather watch a team that wins in the mean time aswell, not some sucking tankfest. As much as i love watching the bruins it would be nice to watch a winning celtics aswell.

Unless those other all-stars are Paul George, Durant or LeBron, it doesn't matter. Still not a contender. Also, what cap space do we have to get these illusive all stars? Come on now.

I tend to agree - getting Love is not quite an "all-in" move but it makes it very difficult to get another All-Star caliber guy, unless we know there's one available for whatever assets we have left.  And I don't think Love can realistically be a #1 guy on a contender unless there's a pretty sick supporting cast around him.

You never know what deals are being discussed but Love seems to narrow our options severely without bringing us close enough to a ring to make up for it.

Nothing there to show me he couldn't be a #1 guy with those career numbers at just 25 years old. Now he gets to play with a pg like Rondo ?

[Kane3387]

If the trade brought back martin and love while allowing us to keep rondo and green then were right there at the top of the east. If we land a defensive C like asik or Sanders as well and add that guy as the fifth guy then were right there at the top of the league.

Love would be the primary option bringing everything to the table but D. But that's what a Sanders or Asik would primarily provide. Martin green and Rondo all have games that compliment one another. Those three are in a perfect situation where on a good night for one of them they can be the second option and on a bad then they can be 3rd or 4th.

Paul pierce would likely sign on as well if this were our starting lineup going into next year.

Here's a thought.  http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ogkohdg

Houston gives minny it's first and we give minny our lotto pick and whatever else gets this deal done.

[aingeforthree]

The biggest key in all of this is Flip Saunders.

Remember Ainge hired Saunders as an advisor to the C's. They have a great relationship. They were both spotted at the Mkale Center just 2 months ago (Not sure who they were looking at).

I think Ainge has a leg up on the competition, & a heads up on who Flip loves on our team, as well as what it would take to land the Love boat. These phone lines are wide open, and make an easy connection based on Ainge giving Flip a job just over 2 years ago.

So do the math as Ainge seems to have a great relationship with all parties involved.

Love's agent - Jeff Schwartz
Love's GM - Flip Saunders

Strong relationships, & a good working history.

Just another reason why we have the best GM in the biz. Get #44 in the rafters, please !

[Kane3387]

The biggest key in all of this is Flip Saunders.

Remember Ainge hired Saunders as an advisor to the C's. They have a great relationship. They were both spotted at the Mkale Center just 2 months ago (Not sure who they were looking at).

I think Ainge has a leg up on the competition, & a heads up on who Flip loves on our team, as well as what it would take to land the Love boat. These phone lines are wide open, and make an easy connection based on Ainge giving Flip a job just over 2 years ago.

So do the math as Ainge seems to have a great relationship with all parties involved.

Love's agent - Jeff Schwartz
Love's GM - Flip Saunders

Strong relationships, & a good working history.

Just another reason why we have the best GM in the biz. Get #44 in the rafters, please !

Also of all the teams mentioned Boston and Chicago are the only east teams. If I'm Minnesota I'd rather send him to the other conference.

[D.o.s.]

The biggest key in all of this is Flip Saunders.

Remember Ainge hired Saunders as an advisor to the C's. They have a great relationship. They were both spotted at the Mkale Center just 2 months ago (Not sure who they were looking at).

I think Ainge has a leg up on the competition, & a heads up on who Flip loves on our team, as well as what it would take to land the Love boat. These phone lines are wide open, and make an easy connection based on Ainge giving Flip a job just over 2 years ago.

So do the math as Ainge seems to have a great relationship with all parties involved.

Love's agent - Jeff Schwartz
Love's GM - Flip Saunders

Strong relationships, & a good working history.

Just another reason why we have the best GM in the biz. Get #44 in the rafters, please !

Also of all the teams mentioned Boston and Chicago are the only east teams. If I'm Minnesota I'd rather send him to the other conference.

If I'm Kevin Love, though, I have to think that Chicago gives me a better opportunity to make a deep postseason run.

[slamtheking]

Gross.

I know right, why would the celtics trade for an allstar? I wish we could just fill our team with phil presseys and Gerald Wallaces. 

So, we're still not better than OKC or Miami after a Love trade. The regular season may be more entertaining, but ultimately that's all it would be. ECF exit (or possibly even 2nd round) isn't really good enough in my book.

If you get All-Star players on your team, it makes it an attractive destination for more all-star players to come in the future, or even aging veteran all-stars chasing that elusive championship.

Id rather watch a team that wins in the mean time aswell, not some sucking tankfest. As much as i love watching the bruins it would be nice to watch a winning celtics aswell.

Unless those other all-stars are Paul George, Durant or LeBron, it doesn't matter. Still not a contender. Also, what cap space do we have to get these illusive all stars? Come on now.

I tend to agree - getting Love is not quite an "all-in" move but it makes it very difficult to get another All-Star caliber guy, unless we know there's one available for whatever assets we have left.  And I don't think Love can realistically be a #1 guy on a contender unless there's a pretty sick supporting cast around him.

You never know what deals are being discussed but Love seems to narrow our options severely without bringing us close enough to a ring to make up for it.

Nothing there to show me he couldn't be a #1 guy with those career numbers at just 25 years old. Now he gets to play with a pg like Rondo ?

I have to agree on that -- I don't see why he couldn't be the best scorer on a contending team but he would have to have at least a couple of other legit scorers on the floor with him as well as a very good defenders to cover for him on D.  Neither Green nor Rondo would be good enough second bananas on a Love-led team.

[Fafnir]

If I'm Kevin Love, though, I have to think that Chicago gives me a better opportunity to make a deep postseason run.

Definitely, the issue that Love has in this situation is that Chicago's offer might not satisfy the Wolves. His list of teams seems like a pretty long one, I think he desperately wants to avoid the awkward questions all year and thus has presented a pretty big menu to the Wolves to try and get something done.

One thing about Chicago's situation, they have a good roster and a great coach but a crappy ownership group. They absolutely do not pay the luxury tax, even for a "contender" they BARELY pay it. That's something that I imagine would worry him. Rose/Noah/Love = capped out. If your'e not going to pay the tax then you're not adding any pieces to that core.

Remember a large part of why Chicago didn't make a serious bid for KG in 2007 was because they didn't want to pay the tax.

[D.o.s.]

If I'm Kevin Love, though, I have to think that Chicago gives me a better opportunity to make a deep postseason run.

Definitely, the issue that Love has in this situation is that Chicago's offer might not satisfy the Wolves. His list of teams seems like a pretty long one, I think he desperately wants to avoid the awkward questions all year and thus has presented a pretty big menu to the Wolves to try and get something done.

One thing about Chicago's situation, they have a good roster and a great coach but a crappy ownership group. They absolutely do not pay the luxury tax, even for a "contender" they BARELY pay it. That's something that I imagine would worry him. Rose/Noah/Love = capped out. If your'e not going to pay the tax then you're not adding any pieces to that core.

Remember a large part of why Chicago didn't make a serious bid for KG in 2007 was because they didn't want to pay the tax.

Oh yeah, they're straight up allergic to it -- it's why they haggled with M. Teague over his rookie contract.

His rookie contract.

[fairweatherfan]

Theorem:

No trade is worth making unless it brings in a player who is capable of single-handedly vanquishing all foes.

No, that's a bit of a strawman argument, and while I can't speak for anyone else, it's not what I mean at all. 

But if a trade doesn't make you a contender, and severely hinders your ability to to get the other pieces you'd need to become a contender, it's probably not worth doing.  I think it's very debatable whether a Love deal would qualify, especially since we don't really know what it'd take to get him, don't know what draft pick we have yet, and a lot of people have a higher opinion of Love than I do.  But we do know we'd be tying up most of our cap in Love and (presumably) Rondo's next deal, and it's unclear if we'd have enough left to get any of the very limited elite talent that might still be available via trade in the next year or two.

[Donoghus]

Theorem:

No trade is worth making unless it brings in a player who is capable of single-handedly vanquishing all foes.

No, that's a bit of a strawman argument, and while I can't speak for anyone else, it's not what I mean at all. 

But if a trade doesn't make you a contender, and severely hinders your ability to to get the other pieces you'd need to become a contender, it's probably not worth doing.  I think it's very debatable whether a Love deal would qualify, especially since we don't really know what it'd take to get him, don't know what draft pick we have yet, and a lot of people have a higher opinion of Love than I do.  But we do know we'd be tying up most of our cap in Love and (presumably) Rondo's next deal, and it's unclear if we'd have enough left to get any of the very limited elite talent that might still be available via trade in the next year or two.

Pretty much the way I'm leaning right now.