2014 NBA Combine Thread (Measurements Are Posted)

[saltlover]

Vonleh got 37 inches on his max vert.  Combined with a 9-foot standing reach, he can really get up there.  In the "list you big board" thread a couple days ago, I listed him fourth ahead of Embiid because I thought he would hit 12 feet in his max vert reach, and it looks like he'll be there or near there.  I know people think I'm crazy for rating him ahead of Embiid, but I'm standing by that with these combine results.  He's a little thicker than I thought he was, but I don't think that's a bad thing, other than making him not quite the same body type as Chris Bosh.  I still think they have similar skillsets.

his max vertical is higher than Bosh (33). Higher than Griffin (35). On par with Ibaka (37).

while i understand how such numbers can impress us with a player's potential, personally i take them with at least a small grain of salt.

a trip down memory lane...anyone want to draft this guy?
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http://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1033

Kedrick Brown, 6'7" sf out of Okaloosa-Walton CC

22.9 pts/g, 8.8 rbs/g, 3.0 ast/g

2001 Scouting Report:

Strengths: Super athletic player posses a 45-inch vertical is a threat to catch ally-oops in transition ... Strong NBA ready body was strong enough in Junior College to play in the paint ... Excellent finisher on the fast break lets his athleticism take control along with his good body control ... Can create shots for himself off the dribble doesn't really need a point guard to set him up ... Creates mismatches thanks to his versatile inside outside game as he is too strong for most small forwards and to fast for power forwards ... Plays very good defense blessed with quick hands and has wonderful leaping ability making him a threat to block shots and steal the ball ... Very good rebounder due to his leaping ability which makes it very hard to keep him off the boards ... Descent passer although by no means Lamar Odom ... Shot selection is above average considering his game experience ...

Weakness: Doesn't have that much playing experience when it comes to as he hasn't really played stiff competition ... Needs to work on being better when it comes to ball protection as of right now he has a tendency to be careless with the ball ... 3-point shot still needs to continue to be more consistent while it has improved it is far from reliable ... Must continue on being a better mid-range shooter ... Fundamentally Brown is still learning the do's and dont's of organized ball although this will improve with added game experience

Yes, measurements don't mean everything.  But when you measure great, and you performed well at the major college level, despite being the youngest person on the court every night, that counts a lot.  It should be all about how high you jump.  But it's also not all how you played on the court, because you're trying to figure out what players will be like in 3, 5, 7 years when picking that high.  And if you're got the athletic ability, you're much more likely to last than if you don't.

[saltlover]

Vonleh got 37 inches on his max vert.  Combined with a 9-foot standing reach, he can really get up there.  In the "list you big board" thread a couple days ago, I listed him fourth ahead of Embiid because I thought he would hit 12 feet in his max vert reach, and it looks like he'll be there or near there.  I know people think I'm crazy for rating him ahead of Embiid, but I'm standing by that with these combine results.  He's a little thicker than I thought he was, but I don't think that's a bad thing, other than making him not quite the same body type as Chris Bosh.  I still think they have similar skillsets.

his max vertical is higher than Bosh (33). Higher than Griffin (35). On par with Ibaka (37).

You do know that some players short arm the standing reach in order to improve their vertical score, right?

Yes, which is why we wait for the max vertical reach number to come out, because it combines both of them.  Bosh's max vertical reach was 11'10".  I bet Vonleh will be right around that number, probably an inch more.

[Eddie20]

Zach Levine has killed the tests today .  He's been talked about as a late teens to mid-20's guy, but don''t be surprised if he creeps up to the lottery.  Explosive jumping (41.5 inch max vert), and top-tier agility.

i wouldn't be suprised one bit if the 76ers took him at 10. Lavine and MCW backcourt combo could be amazing if it all pans out

Interesting idea. Now that Randle has tested so well, I wouldn't be surprised to see him pass Exum. If that occurs we could be able to have a similar backcourt by drafting Exum and Lavine.

[erisred]

Adreian Payne is going to be an impact player in the NBA. 6'9 without shoes and he doesn't have that insecure 'i drive a dodge stratus' inch and a half shoe-bump. He has 3/4 inch soles, like a man does.

And the 3rd best standing reach? Bring on the Payne.

I like him, too, but dudes who don't get drafted until age 23 don't tend to do much damage in the NBA these days! Who are the best ones out there?

Doesn't Payne have asthma, or something like that, that limits his endurance? From what I saw this year it looks like he is very, very, good...but only in spurts...then he gets tired and disappears (or goes out to the 3 pt line and chunks the ball).

[erisred]

Adreian Payne is going to be an impact player in the NBA. 6'9 without shoes and he doesn't have that insecure 'i drive a dodge stratus' inch and a half shoe-bump. He has 3/4 inch soles, like a man does.

And the 3rd best standing reach? Bring on the Payne.

I like him, too, but dudes who don't get drafted until age 23 don't tend to do much damage in the NBA these days! Who are the best ones out there?

Modified: Double post, sorry.

[Tr1boy]

patric young reps 25 times (185 pounds) - 2 off record
marcus smart reps 19 times 

[Celtics18]

Vonleh got 37 inches on his max vert.  Combined with a 9-foot standing reach, he can really get up there.  In the "list you big board" thread a couple days ago, I listed him fourth ahead of Embiid because I thought he would hit 12 feet in his max vert reach, and it looks like he'll be there or near there.  I know people think I'm crazy for rating him ahead of Embiid, but I'm standing by that with these combine results.  He's a little thicker than I thought he was, but I don't think that's a bad thing, other than making him not quite the same body type as Chris Bosh.  I still think they have similar skillsets.

his max vertical is higher than Bosh (33). Higher than Griffin (35). On par with Ibaka (37).

You do know that some players short arm the standing reach in order to improve their vertical score, right?

Yes, which is why we wait for the max vertical reach number to come out, because it combines both of them.  Bosh's max vertical reach was 11'10".  I bet Vonleh will be right around that number, probably an inch more.

Draft Express has the numbers updated.  They've got Vonleh at 12'1".  That's legitimate center type numbers.  And, those hands are just freakish. 

I think Vonleh might sky rocket up the boards leading up to the draft. 

[footey]

Lavine's numbers are impressive

my gut instics tell me Danny will draft lavine at 17 if he is still available. Too much athleticism, upside not to take a risk . Plus a good insurance at the pg spot if Rondo is gone

Disagree. Danny just mentioned his desire to draft passionate players. I don't see the passion in this kid's game. I know he has some explosive moves, but he does not seem very "involved" in the game.  Granted I did not see him play much, but that is my impression.

[footey]

Vonleh got 37 inches on his max vert.  Combined with a 9-foot standing reach, he can really get up there.  In the "list you big board" thread a couple days ago, I listed him fourth ahead of Embiid because I thought he would hit 12 feet in his max vert reach, and it looks like he'll be there or near there.  I know people think I'm crazy for rating him ahead of Embiid, but I'm standing by that with these combine results.  He's a little thicker than I thought he was, but I don't think that's a bad thing, other than making him not quite the same body type as Chris Bosh.  I still think they have similar skillsets.

Bosh's standing reach is like ten and a half feet, plus he is literally better at everything.  He is faster, quicker, better jump shot, much better defense, elite passing, etc.  It's not really the same.

Yeah, I don't get all this comparison of Vonleh to Bosh.  Their games are completely different, mostly because Bosh is much quicker. 

[saltlover]

Vonleh got 37 inches on his max vert.  Combined with a 9-foot standing reach, he can really get up there.  In the "list you big board" thread a couple days ago, I listed him fourth ahead of Embiid because I thought he would hit 12 feet in his max vert reach, and it looks like he'll be there or near there.  I know people think I'm crazy for rating him ahead of Embiid, but I'm standing by that with these combine results.  He's a little thicker than I thought he was, but I don't think that's a bad thing, other than making him not quite the same body type as Chris Bosh.  I still think they have similar skillsets.

his max vertical is higher than Bosh (33). Higher than Griffin (35). On par with Ibaka (37).

You do know that some players short arm the standing reach in order to improve their vertical score, right?

Yes, which is why we wait for the max vertical reach number to come out, because it combines both of them.  Bosh's max vertical reach was 11'10".  I bet Vonleh will be right around that number, probably an inch more.

Draft Express has the numbers updated.  They've got Vonleh at 12'1".  That's legitimate center type numbers.  And, those hands are just freakish. 

I think Vonleh might sky rocket up the boards leading up to the draft.

For those not looking at the results, 12'1" is the best of any player at this year's combine.  He definitely has the length and athleticism to be an elite PF who plays center in small lineups, although I still don't see him as a real solution at center.  But I would take him over Embiid, given Embiid's significant injury risk.

[footey]

Vonleh got 37 inches on his max vert.  Combined with a 9-foot standing reach, he can really get up there.  In the "list you big board" thread a couple days ago, I listed him fourth ahead of Embiid because I thought he would hit 12 feet in his max vert reach, and it looks like he'll be there or near there.  I know people think I'm crazy for rating him ahead of Embiid, but I'm standing by that with these combine results.  He's a little thicker than I thought he was, but I don't think that's a bad thing, other than making him not quite the same body type as Chris Bosh.  I still think they have similar skillsets.

his max vertical is higher than Bosh (33). Higher than Griffin (35). On par with Ibaka (37).

You do know that some players short arm the standing reach in order to improve their vertical score, right?

Yes, which is why we wait for the max vertical reach number to come out, because it combines both of them.  Bosh's max vertical reach was 11'10".  I bet Vonleh will be right around that number, probably an inch more.

Draft Express has the numbers updated.  They've got Vonleh at 12'1".  That's legitimate center type numbers.  And, those hands are just freakish. 

I think Vonleh might sky rocket up the boards leading up to the draft.

For those not looking at the results, 12'1" is the best of any player at this year's combine.  He definitely has the length and athleticism to be an elite PF who plays center in small lineups, although I still don't see him as a real solution at center.  But I would take him over Embiid, given Embiid's significant injury risk.

You would be alone; not a single GM would agree with you on that.

[saltlover]

Vonleh got 37 inches on his max vert.  Combined with a 9-foot standing reach, he can really get up there.  In the "list you big board" thread a couple days ago, I listed him fourth ahead of Embiid because I thought he would hit 12 feet in his max vert reach, and it looks like he'll be there or near there.  I know people think I'm crazy for rating him ahead of Embiid, but I'm standing by that with these combine results.  He's a little thicker than I thought he was, but I don't think that's a bad thing, other than making him not quite the same body type as Chris Bosh.  I still think they have similar skillsets.

Bosh's standing reach is like ten and a half feet, plus he is literally better at everything.  He is faster, quicker, better jump shot, much better defense, elite passing, etc.  It's not really the same.

Yeah, I don't get all this comparison of Vonleh to Bosh.  Their games are completely different, mostly because Bosh is much quicker.

Was Bosh quicker at 18?  Vonleh posted better agility and straight-line speed results.

Their college stats are very similar.  They both can play the stretch four, and have the length and athleticism to alter shots defensively and be strong rebnounders, and play inside as well as out.  While I don't think their games are identical, Vonleh has the skills to be pretty similar.  He's a bit bulkier than Bosh, but don't confuse bulk with lack of mobility, as Vonleh isn't lacking in that department.

Here are their college stats. 

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?p1=noah-vonieh&p2=chris-bosh

[Tr1boy]

per draftexpress (this site is amazing)

All NBA Combine measurements and athletic testing results are completely filled out in our database & profile pages:

http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-draft-measurements/?page=&year=2014&source=NBA+Draft+Combine&sort2=DESC&draft=0&pos=0&sort=

[Tr1boy]

Early - max vert 40'

That's impressive. I didn't know he could jumpt that high

[saltlover]

Vonleh got 37 inches on his max vert.  Combined with a 9-foot standing reach, he can really get up there.  In the "list you big board" thread a couple days ago, I listed him fourth ahead of Embiid because I thought he would hit 12 feet in his max vert reach, and it looks like he'll be there or near there.  I know people think I'm crazy for rating him ahead of Embiid, but I'm standing by that with these combine results.  He's a little thicker than I thought he was, but I don't think that's a bad thing, other than making him not quite the same body type as Chris Bosh.  I still think they have similar skillsets.

his max vertical is higher than Bosh (33). Higher than Griffin (35). On par with Ibaka (37).

You do know that some players short arm the standing reach in order to improve their vertical score, right?

Yes, which is why we wait for the max vertical reach number to come out, because it combines both of them.  Bosh's max vertical reach was 11'10".  I bet Vonleh will be right around that number, probably an inch more.

Draft Express has the numbers updated.  They've got Vonleh at 12'1".  That's legitimate center type numbers.  And, those hands are just freakish. 

I think Vonleh might sky rocket up the boards leading up to the draft.

For those not looking at the results, 12'1" is the best of any player at this year's combine.  He definitely has the length and athleticism to be an elite PF who plays center in small lineups, although I still don't see him as a real solution at center.  But I would take him over Embiid, given Embiid's significant injury risk.

You would be alone; not a single GM would agree with you on that.

Well, I would hope they'd have more information than anyone on this board about Embiid's injury.  If Embiid were healthy, I'd have him second behind Wiggins.  But if you're picking 1st through 4th, it will set your franchise back a lot if you pick someone who can't get on the court, especially in this draft.  Vonleh is very talented, is certainly a top 3 pick in some years, and is healthy.  At 5, I'd pick Embiid unless the medical reports came back completely terribly, but if they are pretty uncertain, no thanks.