NBA=WWE ....Again

[D.o.s.]

Because getting rid of the instant replay would definitely quiet the people who say the NBA is fixed... 

[greg683x]

i hate the nba refs as much as the next guy, and I do think Lebron is coddled by the refs and all that good stuff.

But if the officials were REALLY trying to affect the outcome of this game, they would have done it in the Nets favor.  The leagues been trying to play up the whole Nets/Heat rivalry all season, you dont think they wouldve liked to see this go 7 games??

[GreenWarrior]

i hate the nba refs as much as the next guy, and I do think Lebron is coddled by the refs and all that good stuff.

But if the officials were REALLY trying to affect the outcome of this game, they would have done it in the Nets favor.  The leagues been trying to play up the whole Nets/Heat rivalry all season, you dont think they wouldve liked to see this go 7 games??

just like the wwe they build up a jobber only to see him squashed by cena.

[GreenWarrior]

If they got rid of replay their ineptness would be less noticable.  They are joke who won't admit when they are wrong.

yeah replay is just completely exposing these clowns.

just wait till they add more rules next yr. to cover up these idiots...they do it every yr.

[LarBrd33]

i hate the nba refs as much as the next guy, and I do think Lebron is coddled by the refs and all that good stuff.

But if the officials were REALLY trying to affect the outcome of this game, they would have done it in the Nets favor.  The leagues been trying to play up the whole Nets/Heat rivalry all season, you dont think they wouldve liked to see this go 7 games??

It's always in the best interest of the league to have longer series.  Yes, if it was fixed, the Heat wouldn't have steamrolled them in 5 games.

Again... it's a slippery slope.  Because when you start pretending the league is fixed, you then by extension have to believe that our 2008 title was fixed...  or even more likely that our 2012 shocking mini-run was fixed.  That mediocre Boston team had no business taking that Heat team to 7 games... and yet it did.  Was it fixed for drama? 

I don't believe any of it is fixed.  People always complain about the refs when the "bad calls" are benefiting the team they hate... then ignore the "bad calls" when it's benefiting the team they love.  I feel like it would be massively hypocritical to participate in that nonsense.  Every complaint you have was made about KG and the "bully" Celtics during the 3.5 years they were relevant.

[fairweatherfan]

Wait, so LeBron gets more or less the same late game no-call as role player Matt Barnes 24 hours earlier and that proves the NBA's in the tank for its stars? 

I say have 2 refs. 1 watching the ball and whoever is involved in dribbling/handling the ball and whoever is defending the ball. and have the other official watching everything else off the ball. keep it simple these morons probably don't know how to dress themselves in the morning.

They had only two refs until 1989 or so.  Teams like the Pistons exploited it by fouling and cheapshotting like crazy when the refs weren't looking (the third ref was informally called the "Rick Mahorn ref" when added), and fans whined like crazy that the league was rigged because of all the missed calls.  Can't win.

[greg683x]

i hate the nba refs as much as the next guy, and I do think Lebron is coddled by the refs and all that good stuff.

But if the officials were REALLY trying to affect the outcome of this game, they would have done it in the Nets favor.  The leagues been trying to play up the whole Nets/Heat rivalry all season, you dont think they wouldve liked to see this go 7 games??

It's always in the best interest of the league to have longer series.  Yes, if it was fixed, the Heat wouldn't have steamrolled them in 5 games.

Again... it's a slippery slope.  Because when you start pretending the league is fixed, you then by extension have to believe that our 2008 title was fixed...  or even more likely that our 2012 shocking mini-run was fixed.  That mediocre Boston team had no business taking that Heat team to 7 games... and yet it did.  Was it fixed for drama? 

I don't believe any of it is fixed.  People always complain about the refs when the "bad calls" are benefiting the team they hate... then ignore the "bad calls" when it's benefiting the team they love.  I feel like it would be massively hypocritical to participate in that nonsense.  Every complaint you have was made about KG and the "bully" Celtics during the 3.5 years they were relevant.

This covers the folks who think the league has an agenda on who they want to win every year and certain matchups for ratings, and I completely agree with you.

Theres other folks like myself, who think the HUGE problem with the league and the officials is not that the league is fixed, but that the league puts the marketability of it's players above any kind of integrity of the game.  The fact you can't breathe on Lebron the entire game without a foul being called, yet the officials let Lebron get away with MURDER on the defensive end bc they want to play up him being an elite defender and more importantly they dont want him to foul out of games b/c no one wants to watch the Heat play with Lebron on the bench.  It's not just Lebron either, how about the league fining San Antonio for sitting their aging stars for rest, you can do this in baseball without a problem but not in the NBA. 

Judging by your previous post Im sure you'll point out that if this is true, the celtics benefitted from this at some point.  Such as KG not getting suspended in playoff games for elbows or bumping officials, and I'd have to agree with you too.  And yes, that makes me a hypocrite and I'm ok with it.  Because if the league came out and said that they were making sweeping changes as far the way the games are officiated and getting rid of all of Sterns company men officials and bringing in young guys to call the games the right way, no make up calls, no conversations with the players, no super star calls, and rookie no calls.  If all that would happen, and the only catch is that every title over the last 15 or so years (including the celtics title!) would get looked at like a Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire 70 home run season, I'd be on board and throw a party!  Yeah it would suck that our title would become greatly watered down, but so would like 5 Lakers titles and 3 Miami titles, and the game would be better off in the long run


.....and again, that was all hypothetical.  I know how outrageous that is, but it was more or less to address your 'if think this is really going on then you have to admit the Celtics benefitted from it as well' point

[Mazingerz]

i hate the nba refs as much as the next guy, and I do think Lebron is coddled by the refs and all that good stuff.

But if the officials were REALLY trying to affect the outcome of this game, they would have done it in the Nets favor.  The leagues been trying to play up the whole Nets/Heat rivalry all season, you dont think they wouldve liked to see this go 7 games??

It's always in the best interest of the league to have longer series.  Yes, if it was fixed, the Heat wouldn't have steamrolled them in 5 games.

Again... it's a slippery slope.  Because when you start pretending the league is fixed, you then by extension have to believe that our 2008 title was fixed...  or even more likely that our 2012 shocking mini-run was fixed.  That mediocre Boston team had no business taking that Heat team to 7 games... and yet it did.  Was it fixed for drama? 

I don't believe any of it is fixed.  People always complain about the refs when the "bad calls" are benefiting the team they hate... then ignore the "bad calls" when it's benefiting the team they love.  I feel like it would be massively hypocritical to participate in that nonsense.  Every complaint you have was made about KG and the "bully" Celtics during the 3.5 years they were relevant.

Although the 2011 series vs the Heat (especially the no-calls on Rondo's monster 45 point game) makes me wanna dropkick the refs.

[Ogaju]

i hate the nba refs as much as the next guy, and I do think Lebron is coddled by the refs and all that good stuff.

But if the officials were REALLY trying to affect the outcome of this game, they would have done it in the Nets favor.  The leagues been trying to play up the whole Nets/Heat rivalry all season, you dont think they wouldve liked to see this go 7 games??

It's always in the best interest of the league to have longer series.  Yes, if it was fixed, the Heat wouldn't have steamrolled them in 5 games.

Again... it's a slippery slope.  Because when you start pretending the league is fixed, you then by extension have to believe that our 2008 title was fixed...  or even more likely that our 2012 shocking mini-run was fixed.  That mediocre Boston team had no business taking that Heat team to 7 games... and yet it did.  Was it fixed for drama? 

I don't believe any of it is fixed.  People always complain about the refs when the "bad calls" are benefiting the team they hate... then ignore the "bad calls" when it's benefiting the team they love.  I feel like it would be massively hypocritical to participate in that nonsense.  Every complaint you have was made about KG and the "bully" Celtics during the 3.5 years they were relevant.

This covers the folks who think the league has an agenda on who they want to win every year and certain matchups for ratings, and I completely agree with you.

Theres other folks like myself, who think the HUGE problem with the league and the officials is not that the league is fixed, but that the league puts the marketability of it's players above any kind of integrity of the game.  The fact you can't breathe on Lebron the entire game without a foul being called, yet the officials let Lebron get away with MURDER on the defensive end bc they want to play up him being an elite defender and more importantly they dont want him to foul out of games b/c no one wants to watch the Heat play with Lebron on the bench.  It's not just Lebron either, how about the league fining San Antonio for sitting their aging stars for rest, you can do this in baseball without a problem but not in the NBA. 

Judging by your previous post Im sure you'll point out that if this is true, the celtics benefitted from this at some point.  Such as KG not getting suspended in playoff games for elbows or bumping officials, and I'd have to agree with you too.  And yes, that makes me a hypocrite and I'm ok with it.  Because if the league came out and said that they were making sweeping changes as far the way the games are officiated and getting rid of all of Sterns company men officials and bringing in young guys to call the games the right way, no make up calls, no conversations with the players, no super star calls, and rookie no calls.  If all that would happen, and the only catch is that every title over the last 15 or so years (including the celtics title!) would get looked at like a Barry Bonds or Mark McGwire 70 home run season, I'd be on board and throw a party!  Yeah it would suck that our title would become greatly watered down, but so would like 5 Lakers titles and 3 Miami titles, and the game would be better off in the long run


.....and again, that was all hypothetical.  I know how outrageous that is, but it was more or less to address your 'if think this is really going on then you have to admit the Celtics benefitted from it as well' point

B I N G O

The fix in the NBA is not cheating for predetermined teams it is the entire culture of the league that favors superstar players. The reason every champion needs a big three is not so much the advantage in talent but the advantage in calls. When you have three stars that get advantage foul calls it is easier to get the other team in foul trouble. The league is unapologetic about the culture that protects superstars in foul calls at both ends of the court. Are Jordan, Kobe and the like so good that they almost NEVER foul out of games. How many times did the monster Shaq foul out of games. When you have superior talent that gets added protection in foul calls you have pretty much predetermined the outcome of games. And yes Boston has benefitted from this just as any other teams with superstar players. That is the fix!!! If you do not get your own superstars you do not stand a chance, and that is not because of talent but because of the inequity in the way the game is call for stars vs. scrubs.